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My Hypothetical Julio Jones Trade....Yes or No?

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No.  I would give up a second maybe the 2020 1st rounder.  Either one not both.

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3 hours ago, Special K said:

If the Bills could find a trade down partner, such as the Redskins or Steelers, and net a 2nd round pick this year and a 2020 1st round pick, then send those two picks to Atlanta for Julio Jones(assuming he would be willing to stay long term with the Bills), would you be willing to do this.

 

Essentially, the Bills would be getting Jones in return for moving down 10-15 spots in the first round of this years draft.

 

Do you think a move like this would be possible?

 

Would you do it if it was?

No.

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Beane says we're gonna be calculated with our free agency moves. This calculation has too high a cost.  I don't see Beane making this move. I don't see him being willing to give up significant draft capital to bring Jones here & frankly I wouldn't do it either. Julio might be the big flashy signing some would like to have but I don't think its the best thing to do. Not at his age & term, nor his cost, both salary wise & what we'd have to give up to get him.

I love me some Special K, but on this trade i gotta say no

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3 hours ago, mannc said:

So you think the Redskins are going to trade their second round pick this year and next year’s first round pick to move from 16 to 9?  You are dreaming.  I’m not even sure they would trade just their second round pick to make that move.  

If it's for a QB they will.

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58 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

Beane says we're gonna be calculated with our free agency moves. This calculation has too high a cost.  I don't see Beane making this move. I don't see him being willing to give up significant draft capital to bring Jones here & frankly I wouldn't do it either. Julio might be the big flashy signing some would like to have but I don't think its the best thing to do. Not at his age & term, nor his cost, both salary wise & what we'd have to give up to get him.

I love me some Special K, but on this trade i gotta say no

You don't want them to do it so Beane won't do it. Got it. 

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One thing’s for sure, I would suddenly be much more proud to wear my number 11 Jones jersey

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I'm certainly not against trading down if the opportunity presents itself. But this is not the kind of deal that I would be in favor of. I question Julio's durability at this stage of his career for one thing. I want Beane to shore up this teams OL in FA first and foremost. A serviceable TE would be nice too. Allen needs a WR who can grow with him and become a WR1 for years to come. The only teams I don't want to trade down with would be Miami or N.England because they are our direct competitors being in our division. An extra 2nd rd pick would come in handy. However, bearing all this in mind, if Beane decides to stay put at 9 and say draft a DL I'd support that move too. Not knowing what FA will bring makes it difficult to guess what Beane will do in the draft itself...

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4 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

They used a #1 on a WR last year, plus have Sanu.  I can tell you I'm ready to give up on him as he's my keeper on my fantasy team and his numbers have been pretty low.  He'll have a couple of monster games, but overall  too many people to throw the ball to down there.

 

Well if you are ready to give him up on him in your fantasy team they will certainly move him on..

4 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

Matt Ryan has like 6-7 years left. They will likely turn the roster over twice in that window and jones will be gone by the end.

 

they won’t be giving him away though. Right price opens up a whole new window.

 

Just because Brady can play well into his 40’s don’t assume they all can..

 

Every player is probably tradable for the right price... I just don’t see it this year..

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7 hours ago, Special K said:

If the Bills could find a trade down partner, such as the Redskins or Steelers, and net a 2nd round pick this year and a 2020 1st round pick, then send those two picks to Atlanta for Julio Jones(assuming he would be willing to stay long term with the Bills), would you be willing to do this.

 

Essentially, the Bills would be getting Jones in return for moving down 10-15 spots in the first round of this years draft.

 

Do you think a move like this would be possible?

 

Would you do it if it was?

 

Like the idea of trading for Julio, but this scenario is all kinds of nope.

 

1.  0% chance we get both a 2nd this year and a first next year.  Absolute best case scenario is a 2nd and a 3rd/4th this year, and it’s most likely just a second.  Washington is in a bad spot, so may over pay, but no way it includes a 2020 first.  

 

2.  Julio Jones may not even fetch a first if traded, let alone and 2nd and a first round pick.  And if by some miracle we got that much from a trade down, then no way we should use it on Julio.  I would send Atl out 2nd and AT MOST throw in another pick this year like onenof our 4ths.  

 

With Julio’s age, contract, and injury risk...he’s not going to get some mega trade value.  People keep over estimating these things.  

 

So to answer your qiestion, no way would I trade a first and a second for Julio, especially in this very deep and rich draft at WR.

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8 hours ago, Special K said:

If the Bills could find a trade down partner, such as the Redskins or Steelers, and net a 2nd round pick this year and a 2020 1st round pick, then send those two picks to Atlanta for Julio Jones(assuming he would be willing to stay long term with the Bills), would you be willing to do this.

 

Essentially, the Bills would be getting Jones in return for moving down 10-15 spots in the first round of this years draft.

 

Do you think a move like this would be possible?

 

Would you do it if it was?

 

Are you suggesting we would get a 2019 1st round pick, 2019 2nd round pick and 2020 1st round pick for a team to come up to 9? This isn't even a remotely close trade, not a chance at all we get that kind of ransom for the 9th overall pick.

 

This team needs to start drafting and signing their own, screw Julio Jones find our Antonio Brown in this draft class, there is going to be a stud WR somewhere there almost always is, Beane needs to identify that WR and draft him, develop him.

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6 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Well if you are ready to give him up on him in your fantasy team they will certainly move him on..

 

Just because Brady can play well into his 40’s don’t assume they all can..

 

Every player is probably tradable for the right price... I just don’t see it this year..

 

I put the close of his window at 39-40 with that. It’s not like I stretched it wildly. He’s still a young guy by an standards. 

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assuming he would cost a pick we could part with (i dunno, a 3rd this year?) id be all over it.

 

we can give him a giant balloon first year, matching our cap room, and when he falls off in 3 years or so it's not an albatross.  imagine how our own young bama WR would do with julio on the other side!  allen would be lacing deep bombs all over the joint, would be great.

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I dont know if its worth the trade whatever values and numbers are presented, but saying Julio isnt worth it because of talent and age is foolish.  Since Megatron retired Julio is the best in the leage and hasnt shown any signs of slowing up after 8 seasons or whatever.  Just imagine what a security blanket like JJ would mean for Allens development.

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12 hours ago, dubs said:

Don’t like the idea of trading for Julio. It’s a huge risk. He’s awesome, but not young, dinged up a lot, and has a fairly sizable contract. Higher than a rookie deal for sure. In your scenario, I’d rather keep the picks and make selections. 

 

 

 

 

The only reason he would be available is because his contract is TOO SMALL for his liking.

 

13 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

To be fair the saints model included cooks and graham being locker room distractions.

 

graham was allegedly 110% checked out after the tag arguments and the receivers were insulting each other on Twitter 

 

that aside- I think jones is available at the right price. I think beane would covet him. He would be a fantastic fit. I don’t know if stars will align though.

 

 

I suspect Jones will be checked out.........of OTA's and preseason and much of the season.........if he doesn't get his contract re-done.

 

His AAV will have to come in around $17M.

 

Easy for the Bills to swing.........they could even guarantee the first two years salary on a 4 year deal instead of a bonus and then be free to let him go with zero dead money or restructure after the 2020 season......at a time that coincides with young players like White/Allen/Edmunds being extendable.

 

Fans clutch to their first round picks but if there is a time to do this.......it is after you think you've just drafted 3 studs in round 1 in the past 2 years........ESPECIALLY with one being a QB.

 

Let's say they NAIL this years first and he turns into another $15M+ player..........you are going to lose someone in FA if you have a $30M QB and three $15M+ players to extend over a 3 year period.

 

First world problem..........but you have to take it into account if you are McBeane and really think long range.

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15 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

They used a #1 on a WR last year, plus have Sanu.  I can tell you I'm ready to give up on him as he's my keeper on my fantasy team and his numbers have been pretty low.  He'll have a couple of monster games, but overall  too many people to throw the ball to down there.

Julio? Dude was the NFL recieving leader! 1600+, DON'T LET HIM GO IF HE'S ON THE FALCONS.

 

I had him too. Just doesn't get as many TDs as you'd wish

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This topic comes up a lot, but I have to ask: why would Atlanta, even factoring in the contract squabbling, trade one of the best players in the league ( https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneJu02.htm ) when everyone knows that it's win now for them or else? I'd be extremely surprised if he's not playing for the Falcons next season. They won their last 3 games in 2018, and they were definitely better than their 7-9 record. Injuries in their secondary killed them.

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18 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Well if you are ready to give him up on him in your fantasy team they will certainly move him on..

 

 

 

My thought exactly.  I already let Beane know.

 

8 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Julio? Dude was the NFL recieving leader! 1600+, DON'T LET HIM GO IF HE'S ON THE FALCONS.

 

I had him too. Just doesn't get as many TDs as you'd wish

 

True and the scoring in our league is PPR  for WR 1 point for every 15 yards, so need TD's to rack up the points.  There were many weeks he didn't make his projection.

 

I also have Fornette, so need to decide between the two.  Fornette had a terrible year, but will see if he does get cut/traded or they gear the offense around him.

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6 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

This topic comes up a lot, but I have to ask: why would Atlanta, even factoring in the contract squabbling, trade one of the best players in the league ( https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneJu02.htm ) when everyone knows that it's win now for them or else? I'd be extremely surprised if he's not playing for the Falcons next season. They won their last 4 games in 2018, and they were definitely better than their 7-9 record. Injuries in their secondary killed them.

 

So you don't buy the Saints model?

 

At a similar career point with Brees the Saints were dealing from strengths in their receiving corps and avoiding big contracts while re-building their OL and defense.

 

The Falcons are already cap strapped with Julio on a bargain deal, their defense is in disarray and their best defensive player might be the top player to hit FA.

 

They got reasons.

 

I don't think they will be ballsy or innovative enough to pull off what the Saints did but I think the blueprint is there and while they want to win NOW they might not be in position to accomplish re-creating a SB team with their limited cap space and draft capital.

 

I think Ryan could do a lot of the same stuff that he accomplishes now with Julio with complementary targets that Brees does with mostly nobodies after Thomas in that WR corps.

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

So you don't buy the Saints model?

 

At a similar career point with Brees the Saints were dealing from strengths in their receiving corps and avoiding big contracts while re-building their OL and defense.

 

The Falcons are already cap strapped with Julio on a bargain deal, their defense is in disarray and their best defensive player might be the top player to hit FA.

 

They got reasons.

 

I don't think they will be ballsy or innovative enough to pull off what the Saints did but I think the blueprint is there and while they want to win NOW they might not be in position to accomplish re-creating a SB team with their limited cap space and draft capital.

 

I think Ryan could do a lot of the same stuff that he accomplishes now with Julio with complementary targets that Brees does with mostly nobodies after Thomas in that WR corps.

 

 

 

I definitely see your point, but the simple fact of the matter is that Julio is a significantly better player than all of those Saints players mentioned above and definitely a more committed “process” guy than the likes of Jimmy Graham (a life-long wretched blocker, btw). 

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13 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

I put the close of his window at 39-40 with that. It’s not like I stretched it wildly. He’s still a young guy by an standards. 

 

Well.. I was just going on him being 34 before the next season and then you saying he had another 6-7 years left...

 

Not all these guys are going to want to play that long in my view.. I don't know enough about him personally to make a judgement either way, but I see that he has earnt nearly $200Mil in his career so maybe he only wants to play a few more years and enjoy the fruits of his labour..

 

I guess my point is that not all these guys are going to be as driven to keep going as Brady who seems relentless...

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2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I definitely see your point, but the simple fact of the matter is that Julio is a significantly better player than all of those Saints players mentioned above and definitely a more committed “process” guy than the likes of Jimmy Graham (a life-long wretched blocker, btw). 

 

 

It's easy to forget how valued Graham was with the Saints.      He had 26 TD's in his last two seasons there and he and Brees were connected at the hip.......particularly late in close games.  

 

People were shocked by the trade and thought it was very risky for the Saints to take the great TE away from Brees.

 

And while Julio is a great teammate perhaps the pressure to feed him the ball isn't ideal at this stage of Ryans career either.

 

Maybe......also like Brees........a return to a more run heavy attack is better for their team.

 

Remember Tyrod produced more combined TD's than Ryan did in 2017.........but that Falcons team won 10 games versus the more pass happy 2018 Falcons.

 

I think there is a blueprint right in their own division about how to best support a veteran QB.

 

By the same token,  I think the blueprint for supporting a young QB is giving him playmakers so he can produce at a high level while still very much learning how to play the position.  

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27 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It's easy to forget how valued Graham was with the Saints.      He had 26 TD's in his last two seasons there and he and Brees were connected at the hip.......particularly late in close games.  

 

People were shocked by the trade and thought it was very risky for the Saints to take the great TE away from Brees.

 

And while Julio is a great teammate perhaps the pressure to feed him the ball isn't ideal at this stage of Ryans career either.

 

Maybe......also like Brees........a return to a more run heavy attack is better for their team.

 

Remember Tyrod produced more combined TD's than Ryan did in 2017.........but that Falcons team won 10 games versus the more pass happy 2018 Falcons.

 

I think there is a blueprint right in their own division about how to best support a veteran QB.

 

By the same token,  I think the blueprint for supporting a young QB is giving him playmakers so he can produce at a high level while still very much learning how to play the position.  

 

Appreciate this is all just speculation, and I suspect you like me don't really think he will be traded.. not this off season anyway..

 

I just checked up on the history of the Graham trade and saw that the Saints got a first rounder and a starting C (Max Unger) in return .. that's pretty nice compensation in my view...

 

Would Atlanta get the same for Julio?  There are people here speculating that a 2nd will get it done ( which I don't see mind you..)

 

I'm sure all players are available to be traded at the right price... its whether the right price gets offered that tempts Atlanta...

 

I also think that if the Falcons motivation is a means of creating cap space,  then other options are available before they need to move on Julio..

 

 

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52 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Well.. I was just going on him being 34 before the next season and then you saying he had another 6-7 years left...

 

Not all these guys are going to want to play that long in my view.. I don't know enough about him personally to make a judgement either way, but I see that he has earnt nearly $200Mil in his career so maybe he only wants to play a few more years and enjoy the fruits of his labour..

 

I guess my point is that not all these guys are going to be as driven to keep going as Brady who seems relentless...

 

With new league rules, improved medicine etc... 40 should be a pretty basic threshold to at least roughly hit. We will not he seeing franchise guys retire at 35 just cause they made enough money already except for the rarest exceptions. This 45 nonsense will not be for everyone though. 

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1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

 

With new league rules, improved medicine etc... 40 should be a pretty basic threshold to at least roughly hit. We will not he seeing franchise guys retire at 35 just cause they made enough money already except for the rarest exceptions. This 45 nonsense will not be for everyone though. 

 

Yes. agree that medical advances,  better training and diets, and reduced physical workload ( not as many full impact training sessions as in prior years) will lead to longer player longevity..

 

I don't think we can just assume this though in relation to all or specific players.. .

 

Too many variables,  eg injuries, form and desire will play their part..

 

These guys don't come from a cookie cutter ..

 

 

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