Doc Brown Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 3 hours ago, dubs said: Amen El Guapo. It’s a shame more people don’t realize this. Politics is simply the battle for power, money, and influence. I'm not tha cynical. Mayor Goldie Wilson just wanted to clean up my town. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: I'm not tha cynical. Mayor Goldie Wilson just wanted to clean up my town. Ha. Last true gentleman of politics. However, it does fit the rule of: The more centralized the government, the more corrupt and evil the politician. its more more likely that the mayor of Hill Valley actually is not corrupted by politics, unlike the, say, Speaker of the House of Representatives and say, President of the United States. Edited January 20, 2019 by dubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Someone needs a Snickers bar 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said: Your 'safe space' would be a mental institution. Spare me your bullschitt about the sociopath in the White House, and your pinheaded political views.... You stupid ass..... ^ The anger and namecalling render you with no credibility. Your arguement is simplistic. Hillary good, Trump bad. Both were terrible choices, we the people deserve better. There is more to it fella. Both parties pursue narratives to buy votes. Then not much happens until the next election. Remember when the Democratic Party was the party of the unions and the common working man? Now many of these voters are identifying with conservative politics and voting republican. So the Dems are replacing those votes with others - appealing strongly to recent immigrants, younger women, LBGT, etc. Just keep in mind that these elected officials, no matter the party, spend their careers in DC politics working jobs paying $150K to $250K per year. Yet, they raise their families in high style and have bank accounts worth many Millions, even Hundreds of Millions. Does that sound right? One party wants to raise tax rates for rich but preserves tax loopholes, the other wants simplification and lower tax rates ... either way the rich will benefit most and you will essentially stay the same. Edited January 20, 2019 by Bob in STL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 22 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: He's not book smart, but he's not "dumb." That's how I view him. Maybe even stupid, but not dumb. I would bet he’s more “book smart” than the average Cheeto supporter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 40 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: ^ The anger and namecalling render you with no credibility. Your arguement is simplistic. Hillary good, Trump bad. Both were terrible choices, we the people deserve better. Do as I did. Use the ignore feature. Trust me it works wonders. Fumny thing is I was about to start taking people off of ignore. Now I know not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 Finally had a chance to watch the show last night. Marshawn is as out of place on a panel of intellectual discussion as Bill Maher would be on an NFL football field. He was quite nervous and kept looking AWAY from Bill with quick, nervous glances if you noticed. Nothing Marshawn said was particularly interesting. I did LOL when he said, in reference to Trump, "That bleeper says a lot of bleeping bleep!" I wish I could swear here to convey the carefully chosen words used by Marshawn! Spot on, too! The most interesting aspect of the whole thing, for me, was seeing just how freaking big Marshawn is. He is absolutely built like your proverbial shithouse. Now THERE is a guy who is going to have weight gain problems after retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I don’t really put much value into Lynch’s opinion on things. But it’s hilarious how people act like athletes or “celebrities “ can’t crticize a reality TV host. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Seems like this should be moved to PPP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Seems like this should be moved to PPP. That's only b/c a handful of, um, posters, have chosen to hijack the thread and start arguing politics. The actual thread topic is not particularly political in nature. It was intended as more of a head's up for those who might want to see a football player and ex-Bill appear on a TV show that he would normally not appear on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 1/19/2019 at 11:38 AM, LSHMEAB said: Not to veer too deep off topic, but I feel like Maher is one of the few on his(my) side of the aisle and tells it like it is. Haven't watched it yet, but I'm guessing the weed thing will be a huge part of discussion. Maher has a ton of detractors (mention him on PPP), but most are those who don't watch him. Because he is an athiest, and a pot smoker, they assume they know his position on everytihg...I don't always agree with him, and there are times when he expresses some poorly inforned opnionis, but I appreciate his show, because it is about as "real" a political discussion you are going to get on television. He is also a realist. He knows what he wants, and he knows what is possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: That's only b/c a handful of, um, posters, have chosen to hijack the thread and start arguing politics. The actual thread topic is not particularly political in nature. It was intended as more of a head's up for those who might want to see a football player and ex-Bill appear on a TV show that he would normally not appear on. Oh I completely agree. Inevitably it was going to run off the rails though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Oh I completely agree. Inevitably it was going to run off the rails though. Maybe so. The funny thing is Lynch really did not end up saying very much of anything. I think Bill sensed it was going nowhere and that Lynch was extremely nervous, so he ended his little segment with Marshawn earlier than normal. He then returned to the main panel discussion, in which Lynch never participated, I don't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I thought he was funny. He was nervous. It seems like he has social anxiety issues... and also needed to be extremely careful tiptoeing with his words to avoid making headlines. Great conversation with kasich as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 Just now, May Day 10 said: I thought he was funny. He was nervous. It seems like he has social anxiety issues... and also needed to be extremely careful tiptoeing with his words to avoid making headlines. Great conversation with kasich as well. I don't think anyone has mentioned the fact that Marshawn came on stage, apparently sipping whisky from a glass! He took a sip while on set. No doubt to help calm his nerves a bit. I enjoyed the Kasich interview as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 6 hours ago, dubs said: Ha. Last true gentleman of politics. However, it does fit the rule of: The more centralized the government, the more corrupt and evil the politician. its more more likely that the mayor of Hill Valley actually is not corrupted by politics, unlike the, say, Speaker of the House of Representatives and say, President of the United States. I've always liked local politicians walking door to door introducing themselves than entrenched bureaucrats in Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 19 hours ago, El Guapo said: Actually, everyone on the Hill is a crooked son of a b*tch. If you think one party is pure as snow, you have serious issues with the truth. But so many people want to sling mud to fit their political agenda, and fail to find fault with the their party. Give me a break. The two party system is the problem. Not left vs. right. I miss the Whig party. the system was designed to be a 3 party democratic dialogue. I like Maher at times. but i rarely watch tv any more unless Bills are playing ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 6 hours ago, Bob in STL said: ^ The anger and namecalling render you with no credibility. Your arguement is simplistic. Hillary good, Trump bad. Both were terrible choices, we the people deserve better. There is more to it fella. Both parties pursue narratives to buy votes. Then not much happens until the next election. Remember when the Democratic Party was the party of the unions and the common working man? Now many of these voters are identifying with conservative politics and voting republican. So the Dems are replacing those votes with others - appealing strongly to recent immigrants, younger women, LBGT, etc. Just keep in mind that these elected officials, no matter the party, spend their careers in DC politics working jobs paying $150K to $250K per year. Yet, they raise their families in high style and have bank accounts worth many Millions, even Hundreds of Millions. Does that sound right? One party wants to raise tax rates for rich but preserves tax loopholes, the other wants simplification and lower tax rates ... either way the rich will benefit most and you will essentially stay the same. " One party wants to raise tax rates for rich but preserves tax loopholes, the other wants simplification and lower tax rates ... either way the rich will benefit most and you will essentially stay the same. " That is it in a nutshell. They just make different promises to get you onboard then back to the agenda. Lynch might be right, its a real struggle to vote and get worse with each election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 16 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said: Probably not the best forum for him, but I’ve always liked Marshawn. Not discounting the dumb stuff he did early on as a Bill, but he never played the game the media wanted him to play. yeah it was really 'DUMB' running over that girl then taking off and hiding. 5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I don’t really put much value into Lynch’s opinion on things. But it’s hilarious how people act like athletes or “celebrities “ can’t crticize a reality TV host. and how they rarely criticize some guy with zero accomplishments who becomes prez as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 10 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said: You immediately went straight for the broken record, right wing cliche's in your ATTACK on me. There is no point in arguing with a self serving moron like you. You stupid ass........... For every 'Buffalobart', there are 1000 idiots...... Wake up, and inform yourself....... Hey guy, You’re a loser. Go back to Cuba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Tcali said: yeah it was really 'DUMB' running over that girl then taking off and hiding. and how they rarely criticize some guy with zero accomplishments who becomes prez as well.... Well pick your adjective then if you want to overblow it. I said it was dumb, as in, not smart. You’re probably a pretty smart guy have you ever done anything really dumb and, dare I say, illegal? I have. Not proud of it but not afraid to admit it either. the holier than thou act is played out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 When will people realize political debates between party loyalists in this day and age are pointless. No one ever gives an inch. Everybody feels they know the real story and the opposition is evil and a con. The fact is both parties have some value, but both parties have huge issues. Both value being in power more than working to improve our country. I wish there was a viable third option. Our political system is a mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said: When will people realize political debates between party loyalists in this day and age are pointless. No one ever gives an inch. Everybody feels they know the real story and the opposition is evil and a con. The fact is both parties have some value, but both parties have huge issues. Both value being in power more than working to improve our country. I wish there was a viable third option. Our political system is a mess. If I may return the conversation to the actual thread title... I agree with most of what you have written here. I very religiously watch Bill Maher's show on HBO. The quality of each show varies dramatically, based on who the panel is. When Bill gets the right people on there, who are not career political types, the show can be outstanding and very high minded. But when the panel is made up of paid political talking heads who argue politics on TV for a living, the show looks like any other American political show, meaning, it's not worth watching. I agree that our political system is a mess. Also, there is no real diversity among the Republicans and Democrats regarding important issues affecting most people in this country. They are both opposite sides of the same coin, and that coin is owned by corporate America and billionaires. The Oligarchs that have ended America as a democracy. The entire system is corrupt now. The Greeks who invented all this stuff predicted it and explained the cyclical process involved. We are on our way to anarchy, and it's going to get worse before it gets better. The richest 62 individuals in the world have as much wealth as the bottom half of the planet. America is a microcosm of the same problem. I'm sure that won't end badly. Edited January 21, 2019 by Nextmanup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: If I may return the conversation to the actual thread title... I agree with most of what you have written here. I very religiously watch Bill Maher's show on HBO. The quality of each show varies dramatically, based on who the panel is. When Bill gets the right people on there, who are not career political types, the show can be outstanding and very high minded. But when the panel is made up of paid political talking heads who argue politics on TV for a living, the show looks like any other American political show, meaning, it's not worth watching. I agree that our political system is a mess. Also, there is no real diversity among the Republicans and Democrats regarding important issues affecting most people in this country. They are both opposite sides of the same coin, and that coin is owned by corporate America and billionaires. The Oligarchs that have ended America as a democracy. The entire system is corrupt now. The Greeks who invented all this stuff predicted it and explained the cyclical process involved. We are on our way to anarchy, and it's going to get worse before it gets better. The richest 62 individuals in the world have as much wealth as the bottom half of the planet. America is a microcosm of the same problem. I'm sure that won't end badly. It has always been that way. So you are saying redistribute the wealth??? Workers of the world, unite!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 9 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said: When will people realize political debates between party loyalists in this day and age are pointless. No one ever gives an inch. Everybody feels they know the real story and the opposition is evil and a con. The fact is both parties have some value, but both parties have huge issues. Both value being in power more than working to improve our country. I wish there was a viable third option. Our political system is a mess. Well said. It’s embarrassing how angry people get arguing over a system which has one more choice than a dictatorship. So dumb. It’s bloods and the crips for dorks. if one of the first things you state about yourself is your policial party, you’re probably a huge tool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 1/18/2019 at 8:36 PM, Doc Brown said: Most likely the multiple charities he's involved in. How charitable for the guy who hit a pedestrian at 2am and took off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said: It has always been that way. So you are saying redistribute the wealth??? Workers of the world, unite!!! It hasn't always been that way... before the Industrial Revolution here, it wasn't even close. America WAS truly the land of opportunity... until the Industrial Revolution! Can't stand it that in the 21st Century people just say stuff without even any legitimate supported facts to outright lying as the Orange Cheeto does on a regular basis... "Before the industrial revolution, wealth gaps between countries were modest: income per person in the world’s ten richest countries was only six times higher than that in the ten poorest. But within each country the distribution of income was skewed. In most places a small elite lorded it over a mass of peasants. There was little social mobility except, as Elizabeth found, through marriage. Colonial America was an exception to this feudal sclerosis. Research by Peter Lindert and Jeffrey Williamson shows that on the eve of the American revolution incomes in the 13 colonies that formed the United States were more equal than in virtually “any other place on the planet”." https://www.economist.com/special-report/2012/10/13/as-you-were Edited January 21, 2019 by EasternOHBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said: It has always been that way. So you are saying redistribute the wealth??? Workers of the world, unite!!! It has not always been this disproportionate. Not even close. The consolidation of wealth is teetering at the point where the entire thing will eventually collapse. But laissez faire all the way! Not sure if solutions even exist so it is what it is. I'll stay on topic. I watched the show and found Marshawn to be a useless guest. He was out of his element and Maher was clearly disappointed that he was unable to bring anything substantive. I assume he's a funny guy when he's in his element. This was not it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: How charitable for the guy who hit a pedestrian at 2am and took off... You can be a bad guy and do good things at the same time. Hell, Ted Bundy saved lives working on the suicide hotline before his killing spree. Hitler was an animal rights activist. Sudaam provided free health care and education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: It hasn't always been that way... before the Industrial Revolution here, it wasn't even close. America WAS truly the land of opportunity... until the Industrial Revolution! Can't stand it that in the 21st Century people just say stuff without even any legitimate supported facts to outright lying as the Orange Cheeto does on a regular basis... "Before the industrial revolution, wealth gaps between countries were modest: income per person in the world’s ten richest countries was only six times higher than that in the ten poorest. But within each country the distribution of income was skewed. In most places a small elite lorded it over a mass of peasants. There was little social mobility except, as Elizabeth found, through marriage. Colonial America was an exception to this feudal sclerosis. Research by Peter Lindert and Jeffrey Williamson shows that on the eve of the American revolution incomes in the 13 colonies that formed the United States were more equal than in virtually “any other place on the planet”." https://www.economist.com/special-report/2012/10/13/as-you-were This goes back to my original point. Arguing politics is pointless. We both have the right to our opinions. I respect your views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/19/2019 at 12:36 PM, the skycap said: Why?? Because the Republican establishment and Russians put out a multitude of lies about her ie the sex trafficking pizza parlor!?! Hillary wouldn't have us in a shutdown Yeah, but then we wouldn’t have a border wall on Mexico’s tab. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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