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Whaley drafted EJ Manuel. Yes, Mahommes is good but no one was going to take Whaley's word for it even if that's who he wanted at 10. And also, trading arguably a top 5 corner, top 5 MLB and potential top 5 QB doesn't sound like a good deal. It's a team sport. The Bills just don't have the coaching and weapons that KC does, period. So Mahommes' success would not be a sure thing in Buffalo anyways.

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1 minute ago, Luka said:

Whaley drafted EJ Manuel. Yes, Mahommes is good but no one was going to take Whaley's word for it even if that's who he wanted at 10. And also, trading arguably a top 5 corner, top 5 MLB and potential top 5 QB doesn't sound like a good deal. It's a team sport. The Bills just don't have the coaching and weapons that KC does, period. So Mahommes' success would not be a sure thing in Buffalo anyways.

It was McDermott’s draft. Stop.

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2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

The Chiefs would laugh at us if we offered them Allen and White for Mahomes.  This will be had trade to win because Mahomes might be an all Time great.  White is awesome but he’s a corner.  Allen would need to become a top 10 type qb.

 

but yeah, we mostly likely lost the deal. Reid took advantage of his former assistant.

Do you honestly think Allen will be the next Mahomes?  But yeah, if Allen throws for 50 tds, we won the trade.

With the lack of overall talent around Allen and him running for his life not to mention keeping us in games he still managed to find Zay for the longest pass (by air distance) all season. The kid is special.

 

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4 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

I love Josh and everything but this is a little bit bananas. 

 

Just saying that the article is ridiculous.  There is no way to know if Mahomes would have been successful in Buffalo.  Hindsight is 20-20.  I think they should have at least waited for Allen to have a full year as a starter after they get a chance to improve the offense.

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

That kind of reduces any interest, as by then the outcome would be known. The question is far more interesting now. Would Bills fans ( or management ) trade those three players for Mahomes today? I would. 

 

Ok fine... I'll play just for the heck of it.  My answer would be probably not.  I think what Mahomes did this year is incredible and I would love to see that happen here.  But to call it a plug and play situation is just not being honest. 

 

My view is that Mahomes success is greatly aided by context.  Look at the whole equation... (many others have said the same so I will keep it brief)

 

1. One year on the bench behind Alex Smith under coaching by Andy Reid and staff - they did a lot of work with him in that time - Mike Kafka basically adopted him 

http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/25194/chiefs-coached-the-recklessness-out-patrick-mahomes  Compared with an unproven QB coach, plus Peterman and co... (yikes!)

 

2. Surrounding parts... Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, Kareem Hunt, Sammy Watkins (yeah I know), etc.  Compared with the scout team of Kelvin Benjamin, and a bunch of others who might actually turn into something?

 

 

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1 minute ago, PIZ said:

 

Just saying that the article is ridiculous.  There is no way to know if Mahomes would have been successful in Buffalo.  Hindsight is 20-20.  I think they should have at least waited for Allen to have a full year as a starter after they get a chance to improve the offense.

 

 

It’s just an article for clicks and discussion. It’s a fair point. If Mahomes continues to destroy the league any team would regret missing out on him. The Bills traded out of that spot when they needed a QB. We all knew this could be the result.

 

I’m high on Allen and it’s okay to have hope that he becomes a great QB, fans can do that while still saying “yikes” Mahomes is a beast. 

 

Projecting two guys into two different scenarios and then comparing those players from what you think would happen is always a sloppy idea. It’s impossible. 

 

Allen grew throughout the year, if that continues then the Mahomes trade will soon be forgotten. 

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I like Josh quite a bit...but yes I would make that trade in a heartbeat. Mahomes looks like an all-timer. 

 

KC obviously never would though. 

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1 minute ago, One Buffalo said:

 

Ok fine... I'll play just for the heck of it.  My answer would be probably not.  I think what Mahomes did this year is incredible and I would love to see that happen here.  But to call it a plug and play situation is just not being honest. 

 

My view is that Mahomes success is greatly aided by context.  Look at the whole equation... (many others have said the same so I will keep it brief)

 

1. One year on the bench behind Alex Smith under coaching by Andy Reid and staff - they did a lot of work with him in that time - Mike Kafka basically adopted him 

http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/25194/chiefs-coached-the-recklessness-out-patrick-mahomes

 

2. Surrounding parts... Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, Kareem Hunt, Sammy Watkins (yeah I know), etc.  Compared with the scout team of Kelvin Benjamin, and a bunch of others who might actually turn into something?

 

 

I don’t know if many would think that Mahomes would replicate his KC performance in BUF this season. A trade however is more about the long view, not a single year. Would the Bills be better off with Mahomes or White, Jones and Edmunds ? I’d say definitely with Mahomes. His time at QB would probably far exceed any of the other 3 players time with the team , possibly all of them. When you have a top QB, you keep him. It’s a pretty easy decision to me. 

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35 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

Watson was last seen in Clemson.

 

Mahomes is two days away from being slain by CPT. Andrew.

 

Rivers “why practice in NE when the weather is so nice in California” 

 

If Lynn and that SD/LA group of softies go into Patriot Place and lay down they deserve to be flames. Predictable and foolish.

 

I've always thought that about the Chargers and basically always pick against them in the playoffs...but I do think this year's team is a little different. I think this group is tougher and will be up for the challenge in NE. 

 

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2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Agreed, but it’s not like it didn’t work out for the Bills either. Some trades can be mutually beneficial. I am of the opinion that Allen is going to be special. He may not be Mahomes special, but will be a top 10 QB. If you add that to a couple of pro bowl caliber defenders (White already is and Edmunds will be) you did well. 

My question is why is Edmunds part of this scenario? If we had drafted Mahomes we still pk 21 overall in last yrs draft and we still have Cordy Glenn and Sammy 2nd rd pk. My point is Edmunds could of still been a Bill even if we took Mahomes in 2017.

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44 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The OP is asking a question that the writer was not..............Allen was not selected with any assets acquired in the Mahomes trade..............but yeah, you still trade Allen, White and Edmunds for Mahomes..........he's a proven success and likely Dan Marino 2.0.........while Allen is unproven and White and Edmunds will be retired for 8-10 years when Mahomes is still slinging it in the NFL.

 

But I said a week ago.........once the playoffs get rolling all the paths-not-taken(Mahomes/Watson.....Anthony Lynn/Frank Reich) will start being discussed because they are front and center in the postseason and Bills fans aren't going to like it.

 

McBeane have taken a questionable route to their current optimistic mediocrity............the mid-80's Bills kinda' did to when they chose Kelly over Marino........that looked bad for a few years.......but that time it worked out for the best........hopefully this time it does too.   

 

 

 

 

I think we should hold off on this sort of analysis until Feb 4. I think the Chiefs have a pretty solid shot at winning the SB. I think they're going be extremely hard to beat at Arrowhead, and they WILL score if they get to the SB. The fewest points they had this season was 26, which is truly remarkable. Even the best offensive teams tend to have at least one dud during the season. 

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15 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

With the lack of overall talent around Allen and him running for his life not to mention keeping us in games he still managed to find Zay for the longest pass (by air distance) all season. The kid is special.

 

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He could.  But also completed 52% of his passes (I know it was not his fault) after completing 56% in college (obviously not his fault either) and had a 66 qb rating.  He could very well turn out to be special.  But every other fanbase but ours would laugh at that trade.

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

With no GM at the time there was no way our HC was taking a QB.

Our head coach is the GM.  He hired Beane.  He will get the final say.

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Does anyone else notice that the NFL is catching up to Mahomes?  I admit he will be good for a long time.  But not this good.  His weapons will leave via FA or retire or injure out.  Then we will see.

 

 

You put Josh on that team..... he crushes all time records...

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10 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said:

My question is why is Edmunds part of this scenario? If we had drafted Mahomes we still pk 21 overall in last yrs draft and we still have Cordy Glenn and Sammy 2nd rd pk. My point is Edmunds could of still been a Bill even if we took Mahomes in 2017.

Didn’t they use the Chiefs pick acquired in the trade ( plus another) to draft Edmunds ? I think that’s why. 

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Isn’t Mahomes an all-pro?

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1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I believe the OP's title/premise is wrong.........the writer was saying would the Bills trade Tre White, Zay Jones and Tremaine Edmunds for Patrick Mahomes.

 

Allen has nothing to do with Chiefs trade............he was not acquired with any chips from the Chiefs trade.

 

In a way, he did, because the Bills clearly saw the 2018 QB draft - much lauded at the time of the 2017 draft as the "real" QB draft - as the one to go fishing for QBs in. Outside of Mayfield, who is already good, it's way too early to tell how good they 2018 QBs will be, but we the results are in regarding Mahomes. He was the best player in the league this season when it comes to value. 

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Browns

Bears

49ers

Jags

Titans

Jets

Chargers

Panthers

Bengals

-Any other team could have trade with us or past us to get him

 

All those teams also could have taken him.  Why is the article not written about any of those teams?  Just the Bills.

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2 minutes ago, Iraq Vet said:

Does anyone else notice that the NFL is catching up to Mahomes?  I admit he will be good for a long time.  But not this good.  His weapons will leave via FA or retire or injure out.  Then we will see.

 

 

You put Josh on that team..... he crushes all time records...

Wow.  Mahomes only threw 3 tds against Seattle. What a bum.  Literally the worst passing yardage in a game for Mahomes would be the highest in Allen’s career.

 

allen could turn out to be a good qb.   It you look silly putting down what PM did or saying Allen would be doing the same.  Allen wasn’t even dominant in college at Wyoming.  Maybe he gets there but Mahomes is in a different galaxy.

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56 minutes ago, Jobot said:

Just boggles my mind that people think Mahomes would have an MVP season playing on this team.

It boggles my mind that people don't think Mahomes would be good playing on this team. Like he's entirely a product of the system. That is clearly not true. You can talk about Andy Reid all you like, but Mahomes threw for TWICE as many touchdowns in 18 as Alex Smith did in 17 playing with virtually the same team. 

 

Alex Smith also threw for 23, 18, 15, and 20 TD's respectively in the previous 4 years under the great Andy Reid. Guess what? Travis Kelce was a member of all of those teams.  

 

I'm not gonna get into hypothetical, unrealistic trade talk, but people really need to inform themselves if they think Mahomes is just a product of the system. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Where does ESPN find these idiots? No wonder ESPN is having financial problems, they put out a lot of crap.

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2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I mean, Mahomes is about to be named the MVP in his first season as a starter; I think the writer is probably correct that Buffalo would take that in retrospect.

I consider myself one of Josh Allen's biggest fans, and earliest supporters.  Having said that, of course they would take Mahomes, knowing what everyone in the world knows now. 

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2 hours ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

If the Bills had evaluated Mahomes and thought he could end up looking anything like the guy who has ripped apart the NFL this season, they obviously would have taken him with their first-round pick. Instead, they sent the 10th selection to the Chiefs for the 27th and 91st selections, along with Kansas City's 2018 first-round pick, which ended up as the 22nd pick. The Bills drafted star cornerback Tre'Davious White with Kansas City's 2017 first-rounder, and then used the other two picks in trades that eventually netted them Zay Jones and Tremaine Edmunds. Sean McDermott undoubtedly loves his two defensive building blocks, and the Bills believe that Josh Allen, their other first-rounder in 2018, can turn into a viable starter, but they would undoubtedly trade all three for Mahomes in a heartbeat.

 

 

I don't think that I would. Thoughts? BTW the article crushes the Bills over Gilmore as well.

Yes, of course this is true.

 

Asking this board what it thinks on such a topic, however, is like asking Hitler, Himmler, and Göring if it was so wrong to initiate the Holocaust.

 

 

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