Alphadawg7 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Mentioned this in other threads, but wanted to draw a little more attention to this fact as another indicator of optimism going into the offseason. Josh Allen was 5-5 in games he started and finished. However...while that is solid on its own for a rookie, especially considering all factors, think about this: Had it not been for a drop by Clay in Miami and a Special Teams blunder against the Jets, Allen would have been 7-3 as a starter. If he doesn't get hurt in Houston game, I think we most likely win that game which would have then also had him at 8-3 as a starter. Think about that for a second...Despite all of the following, Josh was literally 2 single plays by this team away from 7-3 and probably had another win taken away when he got hurt against Houston: Being a rookie who started the year off without a QB Vet around him either Not getting even half the reps in preseason and camp because he was in a 3 way QB battle Poor pass protection Terrible run blocking resulting in terrible run game (outside of himself) A WR1 for most of season that was slow, disinterested, sloppy and couldn't catch in KB A WR group as a whole that struggled with separation and catching most the year A TE who had probably his worst season in his career And a significantly down year for what was supposed to be our best offensive player in McCoy, who saw Ivory run more effectively than him I honestly think we will win the division next year between his continued development, having a year under his belt, a full offseason as unquestioned starter, and the additions we all expect to come in around him on the offense this year. 27 6 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Mentioned this in other threads, but wanted to draw a little more attention to this fact as another indicator of optimism going into the offseason. Josh Allen was 5-5 in games he started and finished. However...while that is solid on its own for a rookie, especially considering all factors, think about this: Had it not been for a drop by Clay in Miami and a Special Teams blunder against the Jets, Allen would have been 7-3 as a starter. If he doesn't get hurt in Houston game, I think we most likely win that game which would have then also had him at 8-3 as a starter. Think about that for a second...Despite all of the following, Josh was literally 2 single plays by this team away from 7-3 and probably had another win taken away when he got hurt against Houston: Being a rookie who started the year off without a QB Vet around him either Not getting even half the reps in preseason and camp because he was in a 3 way QB battle Poor pass protection Terrible run blocking resulting in terrible run game (outside of himself) A WR1 for most of season that was slow, disinterested, sloppy and couldn't catch in KB A WR group as a whole that struggled with separation and catching most the year A TE who had probably his worst season in his career And a significantly down year for what was supposed to be our best offensive player in McCoy, who saw Ivory run more effectively than him I honestly think we will win the division next year between his continued development, having a year under his belt, a full offseason as unquestioned starter, and the additions we all expect to come in around him on the offense this year. Great post but the pessimistic crowd will challenge! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring it Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 That is exciting stuff! Winning the division unless Brady really does fall off is more than just acquiring more play makers and improving the o-line. It’s about execution and limiting mistakes. It’s what the Pats do every game. They don’t beat themselves and they execute at a high level! But we definitely are trending up in talent and we have our franchise Qb!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I honestly think we will win the division next year between his continued development, having a year under his belt, a full offseason as unquestioned starter, and the additions we all expect to come in around him on the offense this year. Top obstacle to overcome is the Patriots. Beating them in Foxboro is very difficult so the Bills have to beat them in Buffalo. Even though the final scores this season weren’t as one sided as they have been in the past, the Bills were never a serious threat to the Pats in those games. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 The future looks bright to me at this point. Hopefully this GM does the kid some justice and gets some talent around him this off season. Also hopefully Allen continues to develop and improve. One of the things I enjoyed but didn't enjoy seeing was Allen making plays on 3rd and longs... but they got taken away via penalties. That doesn't show in the stat sheet. I don't like playing that card typically, but in this case its a good thing to see the kid can make those plays. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Mentioned this in other threads, but wanted to draw a little more attention to this fact as another indicator of optimism going into the offseason. Josh Allen was 5-5 in games he started and finished. However...while that is solid on its own for a rookie, especially considering all factors, think about this: Had it not been for a drop by Clay in Miami and a Special Teams blunder against the Jets, Allen would have been 7-3 as a starter. If he doesn't get hurt in Houston game, I think we most likely win that game which would have then also had him at 8-3 as a starter. ... i'm not real big on the shoulda/woulda/coulda thing. at what point does one draw the line? heck, I could argue that we coulda/shoulda/woulda been 16-0 at this point too. you are what you are regardless of the endless possibilities. what we are is not bad right now, considering the context of it all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Mentioned this in other threads, but wanted to draw a little more attention to this fact as another indicator of optimism going into the offseason. Josh Allen was 5-5 in games he started and finished. However...while that is solid on its own for a rookie, especially considering all factors, think about this: Had it not been for a drop by Clay in Miami and a Special Teams blunder against the Jets, Allen would have been 7-3 as a starter. If he doesn't get hurt in Houston game, I think we most likely win that game which would have then also had him at 8-3 as a starter. Think about that for a second...Despite all of the following, Josh was literally 2 single plays by this team away from 7-3 and probably had another win taken away when he got hurt against Houston: Being a rookie who started the year off without a QB Vet around him either Not getting even half the reps in preseason and camp because he was in a 3 way QB battle Poor pass protection Terrible run blocking resulting in terrible run game (outside of himself) A WR1 for most of season that was slow, disinterested, sloppy and couldn't catch in KB A WR group as a whole that struggled with separation and catching most the year A TE who had probably his worst season in his career And a significantly down year for what was supposed to be our best offensive player in McCoy, who saw Ivory run more effectively than him I honestly think we will win the division next year between his continued development, having a year under his belt, a full offseason as unquestioned starter, and the additions we all expect to come in around him on the offense this year. I don't think you can take away the Houston game. He managed to lead the team to only 3 points through nearly 3 quarters of play (It was 10-3 with 2.48 remaining in the third when he left the field). 3 points through 70 percent of the game is not good enough, and he should get the loss if you're going to use that metric. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: Top obstacle to overcome is the Patriots. Beating them in Foxboro is very difficult so the Bills have to beat them in Buffalo. Even though the final scores this season weren’t as one sided as they have been in the past, the Bills were never a serious threat to the Pats in those games. Hoping we play them later in the year. We’ll have a young team that needs more games and if Belichek stands pat (yuk Yuk), they’ll be banged up, old and sliding hard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 16 minutes ago, Bring it said: That is exciting stuff! Winning the division unless Brady really does fall off is more than just acquiring more play makers and improving the o-line. It’s about execution and limiting mistakes. It’s what the Pats do every game. They don’t beat themselves and they execute at a high level! But we definitely are trending up in talent and we have our franchise Qb!! Really great post and very true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 i would really love for us to take the division while Brady is still playing. I want us to be the reason why Brady retires after next season. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 If we can keep up our defensive numbers up, or improve with more sacks, and run the ball better, (can't be worse), I think we can def win the division. That Pats** dynasty ends this year ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Mentioned this in other threads, but wanted to draw a little more attention to this fact as another indicator of optimism going into the offseason. Josh Allen was 5-5 in games he started and finished. However...while that is solid on its own for a rookie, especially considering all factors, think about this: Had it not been for a drop by Clay in Miami and a Special Teams blunder against the Jets, Allen would have been 7-3 as a starter. If he doesn't get hurt in Houston game, I think we most likely win that game which would have then also had him at 8-3 as a starter. Think about that for a second...Despite all of the following, Josh was literally 2 single plays by this team away from 7-3 and probably had another win taken away when he got hurt against Houston: Being a rookie who started the year off without a QB Vet around him either Not getting even half the reps in preseason and camp because he was in a 3 way QB battle Poor pass protection Terrible run blocking resulting in terrible run game (outside of himself) A WR1 for most of season that was slow, disinterested, sloppy and couldn't catch in KB A WR group as a whole that struggled with separation and catching most the year A TE who had probably his worst season in his career And a significantly down year for what was supposed to be our best offensive player in McCoy, who saw Ivory run more effectively than him I honestly think we will win the division next year between his continued development, having a year under his belt, a full offseason as unquestioned starter, and the additions we all expect to come in around him on the offense this year. Another take on this, is how terrible was the Bills coaching to create such a mess for Allen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moulds_80 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 59 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: If we can keep up our defensive numbers up, or improve with more sacks, and run the ball better, (can't be worse), I think we can def win the division. That Pats** dynasty ends this year ! i think at this point its us and the jets battling for the AFCE crown moving forward after BB and TB12. unless the dolphins make a drastic move and get a reliable QB not name Tannehill. Both Darnold and Allen showed promise this year. Id put the jets slightly behind us tho due to the HC vacancy/change 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRHater69 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I like to play what-ifs like this, but 9-7 with this team would have been a bad mirage and not good for moving forward because it may have hid some of the weaknesses. Just so everyone knows I've been following the Bills since John Rauch was the coach. This is only the 4th time that I've been excited for the next season after a losing record. The first was after 1972, it was Saban's first year back and we only won 3 or 4 games, but you could see things were changing and the team won 9 games the next year and made the playoffs the following year. I was also pumped after 1986, Kelly's first year and we were 4-12 that season, but it was obvious that he was everything we hoped for during those dark 2-14 years. We had a good '87 season, but the strike messed things up for us. And then there was 2007....yes I know it was Trent, but I thought he had something and the team won 7 games with an injury depleted roster. Of course we know how that ended, but he looked good for a while in 2008. I'm really psyched for next year, I didn't want Allen on draft day, but he's changed my mind. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, vorpma said: Great post but the pessimistic crowd will challenge! Yeah. I can hear it now. But Beane purposely added 55 mill in dead cap a year after making the playoffs. We should have been trying to win the super bowl this year with Sammy and Dareus leading the way. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, NewEra said: Yeah. I can hear it now. But Beane purposely added 55 mill in dead cap a year after making the playoffs. We should have been trying to win the super bowl this year with Sammy and Dareus leading the way. Sammy and Dareus were lousy draft choices on the way out of the NFL; both time has come and gone - they blew it! Great post NewEra! 57 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Another take on this, is how terrible was the Bills coaching to create such a mess for Allen. OK, whatever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 59 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Another take on this, is how terrible was the Bills coaching to create such a mess for Allen. I am not connecting the dots on this to the coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Another take on this, is how terrible was the Bills coaching to create such a mess for Allen. They’re banking on a 1 year mess. He basically said, in other words, that they were taking a step back this hear in order to take 2 steps forward after this year. I have no problem with it. I wished gms in the past would’ve done the same thing. Full rebuild, as we never had 1 qb that was worth a dam. Now that we got our QB, it’s the perfect time 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 every team can woulda coulda shoulda themselves to some more wins. Just seeing his improvement from the beginning of the season til the end give me hope, lets not invent ways to make things better than they were. But seriously, how in the world do you think they win the Houston game with him in there? He was pretty bad that day, the offense was bad. They only had the lead because of Peterman. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Mentioned this in other threads, but wanted to draw a little more attention to this fact as another indicator of optimism going into the offseason. Josh Allen was 5-5 in games he started and finished. However...while that is solid on its own for a rookie, especially considering all factors, think about this: Had it not been for a drop by Clay in Miami and a Special Teams blunder against the Jets, Allen would have been 7-3 as a starter. If he doesn't get hurt in Houston game, I think we most likely win that game which would have then also had him at 8-3 as a starter. Think about that for a second...Despite all of the following, Josh was literally 2 single plays by this team away from 7-3 and probably had another win taken away when he got hurt against Houston: Being a rookie who started the year off without a QB Vet around him either Not getting even half the reps in preseason and camp because he was in a 3 way QB battle Poor pass protection Terrible run blocking resulting in terrible run game (outside of himself) A WR1 for most of season that was slow, disinterested, sloppy and couldn't catch in KB A WR group as a whole that struggled with separation and catching most the year A TE who had probably his worst season in his career And a significantly down year for what was supposed to be our best offensive player in McCoy, who saw Ivory run more effectively than him I honestly think we will win the division next year between his continued development, having a year under his belt, a full offseason as unquestioned starter, and the additions we all expect to come in around him on the offense this year. Good points. I don’t think the Bills overtake the Pats yet but I love the direction their going. Still lots of money to spend and lots of draft picks. Going to be an interesting off season and we should have a better idea of how well this team can do once the draft is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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