Tiberius Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 27 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: So when you researched border walls which one was your favorite ? Israel’s ? The one around Obama’s house ? Whats the most effective type ? The one Mexico pays for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Setting aside all the horseshit regarding promises and backtracking by both sides, let's identify what is important and what needs to be done. Is a barrier effective in securing our border? If so, where does it need to go? Do we need other border security measures? Is it the Presidents responsibility to do everything he can to secure the border? Do we have a child sex slavery crisis at our border? Do we have drug smuggling happening at our border? Do we have people trying to sneak across our border and blend into our country, whether its in a sanctuary city/state or not? Are some terrorists/criminals slipping in? When the above questions get answered then we can focus on what needs to be done rather than stick to silly positions. If we can agree that for the good of the country we need some barriers, then does it really matter that Trump claimed that Mexico would pay for the wall? If Mexico were to pay for the wall would it then be a moral wall? Why does it matter to Trump's opposition that the wall was a campaign promise? Either we need it or not. The discussion needs to be centered on the need for the wall rather than petty political positions to hurt Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 10 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Too funny: https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c3fec2be4b027c3bbbdef31/amp Pelosi owns Trump, that's how you handle dogs: "One of President Donald Trump’s favorite insult is to compare people to dogs. But “Late Show” host Stephen Colbert said Trump’s now in the doghouse himself after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) asked to postpone the State of the Union address. “Trump acts like the big dog,” Colbert cracked. “But she won’t let the dog into her House because she knows he’s going to poop everywhere.” https://mobile.twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/1085713314091479042?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-5121258802721338535.ampproject.net%2F1901081935550%2Fframe.html Trump is bad because he calls people dogs. So, I'm going to call him a dog and say he poops in the house. So Colbert (who I loved on Colbert Report) is stooping to Trump's level. He looks like a fool IMHO. You can't our Trump Trump. You're gonna lose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 The Senate still hasn't held a vote yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 48 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Then you should have saved sufficient funds to sustain yourself for 6 months minimum like an adult. Stop whining because you're irresponsible and chose not to save and the shutdown is now impacting you. But dog/cat food and vet bills are more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Trump is bad because he calls people dogs. So, I'm going to call him a dog and say he poops in the house. So Colbert (who I loved on Colbert Report) is stooping to Trump's level. He looks like a fool IMHO. You can't our Trump Trump. You're gonna lose. I disagree. People eat this stuff up. Maybe not you or me in the end... But when in Rome do as the Romans. A guy like Trump feasts on the non-resistant. In the end, it's the hearts and minds of good people that come to realization that they were manipulated by a con-man, carnival barker... When they realize they are flawed, broken... That's when things will change. You have to parody a guy like Trump... People see their moral mistake. Edited January 17, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 For those of you that live paycheck to paycheck you might want to pay a little attention to this guy: https://www.daveramsey.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 54 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Then you should have saved sufficient funds to sustain yourself for 6 months minimum like an adult. Stop whining because you're irresponsible and chose not to save and the shutdown is now impacting you. Go to: USAJobs.gov to see how much Feds make. The big benefit is time off, benefits, etc... My wife works. I don't work for the pay. I work because it affords the benefits... You won't get rich working for Fed... It has never been about the pay. Trump is doing exactly what he always has done. Stiff his employees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Go to: USAJobs.gov to see how much Feds make. The big benefit is time off, benefits, etc... My wife works. I don't work for the pay. I work because it affords the benefits... You won't get rich working for Fed... It has never been about the pay. Trump is doing exactly what he always has done. Stiff his employees. Spare me, snowflake. I employ some folks making far less than you'd imagine. I don't take well to the plight of ignorance and idiocy. You can always save money. These folks B word about it but have a new iPhone, new leased car, waste it on fast food daily... People are stupid. 11 minutes ago, pop gun said: But dog/cat food and vet bills are more important. You'd be amazed what people spend on their animals. Saw a bill for $36k a few months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: For those of you that live paycheck to paycheck you might want to pay a little attention to this guy: https://www.daveramsey.com/ Yeah, everybody can be a millionaire. Just like everybody should go to college. How's the cost of education working out. With the shutdown... Just let the economy crash. More people will blame the Prez. Prez. is easy lightening rod, figurehead. Human nature will take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, 3rdnlng said: For those of you that live paycheck to paycheck you might want to pay a little attention to this guy: https://www.daveramsey.com/ I'm loving this. People telling other people how to handle their money. Assuming if people are living paycheck to paycheck it's because they're blowing there money on luxuries. Maybe they have a person in their family with a chronic illness that sucks up a lot of ca$h. Maybe they are paying back student loans. Maybe they do save but it's in their 401K which they can't take it out without a huge penalty. You have no idea. Judging people whose paycheck has been ended due to no fault of their own and then giving them advice from afar not knowing their circumstances is a pompous arrogant attitude IMHO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, Boyst62 said: Spare me, snowflake. I employ some folks making far less than you'd imagine. I don't take well to the plight of ignorance and idiocy. You can always save money. These folks B word about it but have a new iPhone, new leased car, waste it on fast food daily... People are stupid. You'd be amazed what people spend on their animals. Saw a bill for $36k a few months ago. Nice. I am not the Snowflake. You are. I don't complain for these people living pay check to paycheck. Just default. Mass default. Protect your residence, transportation... Etc....and crash the economy. That ain't a Snowflake talking... People have to do what they need to do. Pick themselves up and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I'm loving this. People telling other people how to handle their money. Assuming if people are living paycheck to paycheck it's because they're blowing there money on luxuries. Maybe they have a person in their family with a chronic illness that sucks up a lot of ca$h. Maybe they are paying back student loans. Maybe they do save but it's in their 401K which they can't take it out without a huge penalty. You have no idea. Judging people whose paycheck has been ended due to no fault of their own and then giving them advice from afar not knowing their circumstances is a pompous arrogant attitude IMHO. I posted the website of Dave Ramsey, a radio host that teaches people how to get out of debt and save money. It's basically sacrifice early on in life so that you aren't a slave to debt and interest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Nice. I am not the Snowflake. You are. I don't complain for these people living pay check to paycheck. Just default. Mass default. Protect your residence, transportation... Etc....and crash the economy. That ain't a Snowflake talking... People have to do what they need to do. Pick themselves up and move on. By that logic them turning to crime will be a reasonable answer. *****sakes, I know that story is coming soon. Furloughed fed workers turning to illegsl activities to pay for their expenses. .... That headline is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, 3rdnlng said: I posted the website of Dave Ramsey, a radio host that teaches people how to get out of debt and save money. It's basically sacrifice early on in life so that you aren't a slave to debt and interest. I understand. It's not just you. I see this attitude coming from a lot of places. I also think part of this I can't afford to buy food and I'm going to lose my house after missing the first check is somewhat exaggerated by some people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: I understand. It's not just you. I see this attitude coming from a lot of places. I also think part of this I can't afford to buy food and I'm going to lose my house after missing the first check is somewhat exaggerated by some people. My son-in-law can't afford to buy a house but can pick up carry-out and get his coffee from Starbucks nearly every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: By that logic them turning to crime will be a reasonable answer. *****sakes, I know that story is coming soon. Furloughed fed workers turning to illegsl activities to pay for their expenses. .... That headline is coming. No? What crime? Defaulting on non-essentials, working with creditors, mortgage companies is not a crime. Maybe file bankruptcy. Wait till till the health insurance companies want their premiums... This will get good. Then if Feds get back to work... They owe 40% of those premiums. I wouldn't authorize back pay, what a cluster eff health will be. When I was Seasonal, I was rountinely furloughed, my health carried through. And it took me twice as long as the furlough to catch my health premiums back up. This shutdown is only just starting to get good. Yes... I sympathize with the employees... But many mechanisms to get through it, even if living paycheck to paycheck. This ain't 1930. 6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: My son-in-law can't afford to buy a house but can pick up carry-out and get his coffee from Starbucks nearly every day. This is a problem! I agree with you here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: My son-in-law can't afford to buy a house but can pick up carry-out and get his coffee from Starbucks nearly every day. It's not a difficult concept: don't buy what you don't need. Spend less than you earn. With the rest, save, then invest. And credit is not cash. It's debt against future earnings - which is useful tool, but an awful lifestyle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Swill Merchant said: Your overall point is correct, however, the unwillingness to compromise is not symmetrical in my estimation. The President has gone from a $20b concrete wall to a $5b steel barrier. Pelosi has said under no condition will they provide any funding for any barrier at any time. She's not even giving the appearance of a willingness to compromise. Pelosi IMO has nothing to lose by holding out. The media will have her back. Her House members are mostly in lock step with her or are afraid of her. She and much of the Dem base don't want border security or don't care. Mexico hasn't yet offered to pay for the wall, and Nancy is Harry Reid nasty and stubborn. As time goes on Government workers not getting paid will make an increasing amount of noise and the media will run wild with that. All of the pressure is on Trump and will continue to be IMO. Trump has done a mostly lousy job of presenting the issue of border security to Americans and an even lousier job of exposing his opposition's true position of wanting open borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: My son-in-law can't afford to buy a house but can pick up carry-out and get his coffee from Starbucks nearly every day. This is a common problem. I was getting tires for my Corolla and the guy putting on the tires--earns less than me, I assume--was saying how lucky I was because his pick up truck costs twice as much to get tires. And I said, ya, and every time you fill up at the pump too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I posted the website of Dave Ramsey, a radio host that teaches people how to get out of debt and save money. It's basically sacrifice early on in life so that you aren't a slave to debt and interest. People need to be careful with Ramsey. A fair amount of what he says is sound such as figuring a dollar amount per month that you can pay for a vehicle and still feed a rainy day fund. Even if doing this does not satisfy a whim. But his ideas on paying down debt warrants close scrutiny. Too many times I have heard some of his callers say they have paid down six figures of debt in a couple of years without giving a whole lot of detail. Were they making six figures to start with? Was the waitress running a personal brothel in the storage room? Did a guy start selling drugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Pelosi IMO has nothing to lose by holding out. The media will have her back. Her House members are mostly in lock step with her or are afraid of her. She and much of the Dem base don't want border security or don't care. Mexico hasn't yet offered to pay for the wall, and Nancy is Harry Reid nasty and stubborn. As time goes on Government workers not getting paid will make an increasing amount of noise and the media will run wild with that. All of the pressure is on Trump and will continue to be IMO. Trump has done a mostly lousy job of presenting the issue of border security to Americans and an even lousier job of exposing his opposition's true position of wanting open borders. He can't win an honest debate about the border. There is no major problem of an invasion that requires a wall or anything like that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, DC Tom said: It's not a difficult concept: don't buy what you don't need. Spend less than you earn. With the rest, save, then invest. And credit is not cash. It's debt against future earnings - which is useful tool, but an awful lifestyle. A good plan if you can do it but there are quite a few that are hand to mouth through no fault of their own. They don't buy vehicles and homes that they can not afford. 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: This is a common problem. I was getting tires for my Corolla and the guy putting on the tires--earns less than me, I assume--was saying how lucky I was because his pick up truck costs twice as much to get tires. And I said, ya, and every time you fill up at the pump too! I did not know that they have Corolla's in Eastern Europe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: A good plan if you can do it but there are quite a few that are hand to mouth through no fault of their own. They don't buy vehicles and homes that they can not afford. I did not know that they have Corolla's in Eastern Europe? Judging by your posts, you do not know much of anything. Clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Judging by your posts, you do not know much of anything. Clown Good clowns such as myself are making in the high five figures so we don't have to buy a Corolla if we don't want to. By the way I thought that Soros had some old Yugo's in the fleet for the cubicle farm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, DC Tom said: It's not a difficult concept: don't buy what you don't need. Spend less than you earn. With the rest, save, then invest. And credit is not cash. It's debt against future earnings - which is useful tool, but an awful lifestyle. don't go to Starbucks, you'll have enough before you know it to make that downpayment on the $1.5M condo (that tiny one) Edited January 17, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 43 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: My son-in-law can't afford to buy a house but can pick up carry-out and get his coffee from Starbucks nearly every day. This is like the people that just need to have a kid even though they can barely make ends meet themselves. Then they act like people are supposed to feel bad for them because they're struggling. I do feel bad...for the kid. Not their fault they had morons for parents that made a selfish decision to have them without the means to support them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Good clowns such as myself are making in the high five figures so we don't have to buy a Corolla if we don't want to. By the way I thought that Soros had some old Yugo's in the fleet for the cubicle farm. Have to buy? How about being smart about managing your money so you keep more of it, you clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Have to buy? How about being smart about managing your money so you keep more of it, you clown i drive a 2006 Silverado with under 90K miles because I have a need for a truck. Most of the vehicles I have bought were not high end models. I've run a Geo Metro literally into the ground. About the most "spendy" car I bought was a student driver Chevy with 3,500 miles on it for 18,500 dollars. I saved nearly 8,000 dollars versus buying the same thing new. Served me well as all the vehicles have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdnlng Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 51 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: A good plan if you can do it but there are quite a few that are hand to mouth through no fault of their own. They don't buy vehicles and homes that they can not afford. I did not know that they have Corolla's in Eastern Europe? He misspelled Crayola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, Foxx said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, Foxx said: That is hilarious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: I'm loving this. People telling other people how to handle their money. Assuming if people are living paycheck to paycheck it's because they're blowing there money on luxuries. Maybe they have a person in their family with a chronic illness that sucks up a lot of ca$h. Maybe they are paying back student loans. Maybe they do save but it's in their 401K which they can't take it out without a huge penalty. You have no idea. Judging people whose paycheck has been ended due to no fault of their own and then giving them advice from afar not knowing their circumstances is a pompous arrogant attitude IMHO. If you're living paycheck to paycheck because you're paying back your student loan you paid too much for college, got the wrong degree or your parents didn't have the forethought to think about the cost of raising and educating a child before they had one. 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: I posted the website of Dave Ramsey, a radio host that teaches people how to get out of debt and save money. It's basically sacrifice early on in life so that you aren't a slave to debt and interest. Live like no one else so you can live like no one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: That is hilarious. It is. Seriously hilarious. Even Obama is probably laughing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: It is. Seriously hilarious. Even Obama is probably laughing. I told my sister awhile back that Trump was the most entertaining President ever! She said she doesn't need the President to entertain her. Seriously?? This ***** is awesome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I assumed that the letter from President Trump to Speaker Pelosi was a fake, but no—it’s real, and it’s spectacular! Economy yawning at shutdown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) For more on that postponed trip... (thread) Edited January 17, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 What a day to be alive The bus went around the block and back to the Capitol where members eventually got off. The wheels on the bus go round and round! "It's not an attempt to stick it to @NancyPelosi, it's an attempt to keep Speaker Pelosi in the country so she can negotiate." -- @johnrobertsFox reporting what WH sources are saying about cancelling Pelosi's military flight to EU. CNN is now claiming on air that Trump grounding Pelosi’s flight could trigger an international crisis..........? . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: For more on that postponed trip... (thread) This is amazing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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