A successful run game would do wonders for Allen

[Ramza86]

I think this is the biggest thing that would help him grow. 

 

Allen is a big time gamer. He has no problem taking every snap throwing the ball 60 times and rushing it 30 times. 

 

But you can see what happens when you put the entire offense in his hands. You get the 50/50. 50% great, 50% not so great. 

 

Fix that line, get the ball moving on the ground next year. 

 

 

[TroutDog]

The run game is missing for the same reason Josh gets hit and hurried all the time. Need an O line and everything else will take care of itself. 

[NewEra]

And we know thisssss.....MAN

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The Bills have to essentially rebuild the entire offense.

 

Need a C, LG, RG, RT. At least two more WRs(not JAGs), a young RB, and a TE. 

 

A lot to accomplish in one offseason. 

 

But focusing on the more dire needs of three starting interior offensive lineman and two legitimate starting WRs should be the priority. 

I’d get one interior lineman (a center), LT and RT.  Dawkins just isn’t very good.  He may improve, but he’s a lesser to bad starting LT atm imo.  Part of the blame is on Castillo as well.  Dude really needs to go

Edited December 10, 2018 by NewEra

[Helpmenow]

More rebuilding, and waiting here.

[Dkollidas]

It’s still fun to watch him run though. He’s friggen awesome. 

[KGun12TD]

And an O-Line, WRs and maybe a decent TE. Yea, that would be nice.

[jrober38]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The Bills have to essentially rebuild the entire offense.

 

Need a C, LG, RG, RT. At least two more WRs(not JAGs), a young RB, and a TE. 

 

A lot to accomplish in one offseason. 

 

But focusing on the more dire needs of three starting interior offensive lineman and two legitimate starting WRs should be the priority. 

 

Can see them adding one, maybe two free agents to fill the interior OL spots. 

 

FA Tackle Market looks very weak. Just bring back Mills and draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round.

 

WR FA Market is terrible. The Bills need a legit #1 WR and likely need to use a 1st round pick there. Rookie, Foster and Jones in the slot is fine, with Mackenzie as the #5 Special Teams guy. Could use another draft pick in the 4th round too. 

 

RB should be easy enough to fill. McCoy is done and we need a bell cow back. 

 

Clay will get cut, but I'm not sure you you bring in at TE. It's not a position of importance in the modern NFL with only 3-4 guys putting up numbers each week. 

 

If they can add a couple linemen, a WR and young RB, that would be a good offseason. Filling all those holes in one season won't happen. 

[zow2]

A lot of things would do wonders for Allen and the offense,,,including a better rushing attack.  But overall, Josh is fine.  He will be solid.  I was critical of him being the QB we drafted but he looks good for the most part.   If you watched Trubisky and Goff last night they were both crap.  It happens to all QBs.  They aren't going to have 16 good games and all the QBs need some help from a decent Oline or rushing attack.

[row_33]

17 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

It’s still fun to watch him run though. He’s friggen awesome. 

 

waiting for him to get his bell rung or knee torn every time....

 

[Ramza86]

1 minute ago, zow2 said:

A lot of things would do wonders for Allen and the offense,,,including a better rushing attack.  But overall, Josh is fine.  He will be solid.  I was critical of him being the QB we drafted but he looks good for the most part.   If you watched Trubisky and Goff last night they were both crap.  It happens to all QBs.  They aren't going to have 16 good games and all the QBs need some help from a decent Oline or rushing attack.

 

Im not really concerned for Allen tbh. If you told me a QB threw for 50% completion every game id be worried.....but not with Allen. What he completes with his 50% is pretty big. 

 

Like we had a play 1st and 20 early in the game. Throws a dart. 2nd and 2. Like....thats the kind of movement he brings. 

[Tenhigh]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They absolutely need to make a trade for a bonafide number 1 WR. 

 

You are right. The FA market sucks for WRs. They need to get creative. 

 

I agree filling all those holes won't happen in one offseason, but IMO, I think two to three solid interior offensive lineman should be a priority and replacing Mills who has survived here year after year despite being a below average starting RT. 

 

Id be more than happy with a C, LG, RT, and two solid WRs with one of them being a bonafide number one WR such as a trade for Julio Jones. 

That's like a fat kid saying he'd be happy with a mountain of candy for Xmas, lol. 

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

They absolutely need to make a trade for a bonafide number 1 WR. 

 

You are right. The FA market sucks for WRs. They need to get creative. 

 

I agree filling all those holes won't happen in one offseason, but IMO, I think two to three solid interior offensive lineman should be a priority and replacing Mills who has survived here year after year despite being a below average starting RT. 

 

Id be more than happy with a C, LG, RT, and two solid WRs with one of them being a bonafide number one WR such as a trade for Julio Jones. 

 

A trade for Julio Jones will cost a fortune. Not sure I'm trading the farm (again) for a 30 year old WR. 

 

I think it's more likely they go to the draft and find someone Allen can hopefully play with for 10 years. 

 

On the OL, I think the Guard spots are the biggest problems. John Miller is terrible, and Teller is just a guy. Would love to see us shore up those two spots in FA and go after a Centre in the 2nd round.

 

In the draft, go #1 WR, #2 C, #3 RB.

 

In FA get a LG, RG, and speed DE. 

[billykay]

7 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

A trade for Julio Jones will cost a fortune. Not sure I'm trading the farm (again) for a 30 year old WR. 

 

I think it's more likely they go to the draft and find someone Allen can hopefully play with for 10 years. 

 

On the OL, I think the Guard spots are the biggest problems. John Miller is terrible, and Teller is just a guy. Would love to see us shore up those two spots in FA and go after a Centre in the 2nd round.

 

In the draft, go #1 WR, #2 C, #3 RB.

 

In FA get a LG, RG, and speed DE. 

Centers aren't valued highly in the draft. We could pick up a top 3 center in the 2nd round - top 5 probably in the 3rd round.

[colin]

two interior OL and a RT would make our Oline solid, which is plenty.

 

We need at least one new TE (two likley), a stud WR, and a large possession WR, as well as RB.

 

the biggest holes on our team are at skill position, followed by OL.

 

we could use a CB and DT as well.

 

the one "good thing" about having a talent level as low as we do, is that adding even OK and average players will make the whole team better.  Our special teams shows horrible coaching, but also how low the over all talent level on the team is.  

 

could you imagine allen playing with a less worn out shady, karlos, our old LT, richie, woods, as well as percy, rob woods, and sammy watkins like in rex's first year here?  we just need to get some talent out there, guys who can get separation and most importantly not drop passes all the time.

 

of course, all of the above blows up if a top flight pass rusher is available at our pick, we take that and work out the rest.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

18 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

waiting for him to get his bell rung or knee torn every time....

 

 

Don't have a spirit of fear.

 

It's no way to live.

 

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Don't have a spirit of fear.

 

It's no way to live.

 

 

 

it's about 98 for 98 on big targets who don't know how to protect themselves when they run for their lives out there

 

it's okay, in advance I'm telling you i told you so

 

he has to cut down on this, i know all the noob fans think this is great but it is so risky

 

 

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They will have close to $90 million in cap space. 

 

Go out and spend it and improve the team. 

 

A fortune? What is a fortune? I'm guessing it will cost two low round round picks on top of his salary. (A third this year and a first next?) 

 

I'd do it in a heart beat. 

 

Seems like a majority of the fans here think this team is years away from being a Super Bowl contender. 

 

A few big moves and they are right there next year as long as Allen continues to develop.... but they need to make bold moves. Stop being scared.??

 

I think it costs a lot more than that. 

 

If Amari Cooper is worth a 1st round pick, Julio even at age 30 is worth the same. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, row_33 said:

 

 

it's about 98 for 98 on big targets who don't know how to protect themselves when they run for their lives out there

 

it's okay, in advance I'm telling you i told you so

 

he has to cut down on this, i know all the noob fans think this is great but it is so risky

 

 

Who are you calling a noob fan?

 

I've been a fan for 30+ years

 

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, billykay said:

Centers aren't valued highly in the draft. We could pick up a top 3 center in the 2nd round - top 5 probably in the 3rd round.

 

I'm expecting the guy to start on day 1 so I'd rather have the #1 guy at his position. 

 

Just my preference though. 

 

Not sure the #5 guy is stepping on the field day one. 

[tcampbell104]

23 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

waiting for him to get his bell rung or knee torn every time....

 

sounds like you wont be happy till he does

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

I agree.

 

Which is why I said two low round picks. A first and a third at least. 

 

My bad - I interpreted "low round" as late round picks.

 

I'm not giving that up for a guy who will play 2-3 more years at this level. You make that trade if you're a 7 or 8 win team trying to get over the hump. 

 

The Bills have traded away too many picks over the past 2 years and I'd rather see us stockpile picks. 

 

Up until now they've valued quality over quantity, but I'd take a different approach this year. We have our building blocks, time to build out the roster. 

[jrober38]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

The guy is still at the top of his game. 2 years? He's got at least 3 left.

 

Id take 3 years of this Julio and go for the Super Bowl within that time frame then worrying about draft picks.

 

Chances are good the draft picks you are trading away for Julio won't ever be the player Julio is.... and again, $90 million in cap space. Use that to upgrade your roster while making a big trade using draft picks for a WR. 

 

Fair enough. 

 

Julio has been on a fantasy team of mine for years in a keeper league. He's always nursing some sort of lower body injury and has had ongoing problems with his foot. As he gets older my fear is that he loses a step, and you don't know when that will happen. Father time catches up with everyone, and I don't think Jones is a player who makes us a Super Bowl contender. 

 

This draft class looks like it's completely loaded at WR. My preference would be to draft a 21-22 year old kid with 10+ years left than a 30 year old guy with a long history of nagging lower body injuries who only has a few good years left.

 

I wouldn't be upset if we added Jones, but as you said earlier, with how many holes we have I think we need to bank all our draft picks this year by using them on young players who can fill holes, rather than trading away multiple picks for a player who can help immediately. 

[Magox]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

The guy is still at the top of his game. 2 years? He's got at least 3 left.

 

Id take 3 years of this Julio and go for the Super Bowl within that time frame then worrying about draft picks.

 

Chances are good the draft picks you are trading away for Julio won't ever be the player Julio is.... and again, $90 million in cap space. Use that to upgrade your roster while making a big trade using draft picks for a WR. 

 

I keep hearing the argument that Julio Jones is too old to be trading for.  I disagree, rarely do you get an opportunity to have a "Superbowl window" and I think Julio has another 3-5 good years left in him.  I happen to be in the camp that Allen will make a big 2nd year jump and that if you surround him with a decent offensive line and a couple really good weapons along with what we have that we will begin entering into our "Superbowl window".    And Julio Jones is an elite level WR and if you can get him and he's able to perform at a good to high level for the next 3-5 years then you go for it.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

50 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Need at least two.

Dawkins is struggling. Outside of Allen, Foster the last few weeks, and Zay here and there, the offensive talent has been non existent.

Thats what happens when your HC/GM decide on a 5 year rebuild plan in a modern NFL that doesn't require such a thing.

 

I think we would find Dawkins looked much better with a good LG and C.

He looked better last year, next to 'Cog and Wood

[NewEra]

54 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Need at least two.

 

Dawkins is struggling. Outside of Allen, Foster the last few weeks, and Zay here and there, the offensive talent has been non existent.

 

Thats what happens when your HC/GM decide on a 5 year rebuild plan in a modern NFL that doesn't require such a thing.

 

A 5 year rebuild?  Lol.  You just make stuff up to suit your agenda.  

[T master]

A successful run game, a successful O line & or coach, a successful WR corp would also help him out in the grand scheme of things !!

[thebandit27]

59 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The Bills have to essentially rebuild the entire offense.

 

Need a C, LG, RG, RT. At least two more WRs(not JAGs), a young RB, and a TE. 

 

A lot to accomplish in one offseason. 

 

But focusing on the more dire needs of three starting interior offensive lineman and two legitimate starting WRs should be the priority. 

 

I actually think that they can get most, if not all, of that done in a single offseason if they're willing to spend the cap room that they have.

 

There are a number of quality OLmen available in FA, so there's no excuse for not coming away with 2 new starters.

 

You can definitely find a solid RB in the mid rounds, and given how few TEs actually produce in the NFL, there's no reason to make that a draft priority either.  I'd say there's a reasonable expectation of finding a RB and TE that can contribute as rookies in rounds 3-4.

 

The toughest gets will be WR1 and WR3.  I'm fine with Foster as a fringe WR3 guy, and I like Zay as a WR2.  I also think that McKenzie can be a nice gadget guy as well.  They need to either overpay a guy like Golden Tate or give up the farm in a trade for a WR1.

 

I guess what I'm saying is that it most certainly can be done if they're willing to give up the assets to do so; I'm just not sure that they are willing to give up those assets.

[dakrider]

The McCoy/Ivory thing is not working.  At least one of those guys has to go.  

[White Linen]

22 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Fair enough. 

 

Julio has been on a fantasy team of mine for years in a keeper league. He's always nursing some sort of lower body injury and has had ongoing problems with his foot. As he gets older my fear is that he loses a step, and you don't know when that will happen. Father time catches up with everyone, and I don't think Jones is a player who makes us a Super Bowl contender. 

 

This draft class looks like it's completely loaded at WR. My preference would be to draft a 21-22 year old kid with 10+ years left than a 30 year old guy with a long history of nagging lower body injuries who only has a few good years left.

 

I wouldn't be upset if we added Jones, but as you said earlier, with how many holes we have I think we need to bank all our draft picks this year by using them on young players who can fill holes, rather than trading away multiple picks for a player who can help immediately. 

 

It would be all our preference to have a 21-22 year old stud rather than a 30 year old.  The success rate for WR's is ridiculously low.  If you pick the wrong one - we know all too well it can destroy your offensive plans.  I don't think your quite understanding how hard it is and going to be to fix our WR situation.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, White Linen said:

 

It would be all our preference to have a 21-22 year old stud rather than a 30 year old.  The success rate for WR's is ridiculously low.  If you pick the wrong one - we know all too well it can destroy your offensive plans.  I don't think your quite understanding how hard it is and going to be to fix our WR situation.  

 

There's just as much risk in bringing in a 30 year old WR as there is in drafting a young one....only different KINDS of risk.

 

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

It would be all our preference to have a 21-22 year old stud rather than a 30 year old.  The success rate for WR's is ridiculously low.  If you pick the wrong one - we know all too well it can destroy your offensive plans.  I don't think your quite understanding how hard it is and going to be to fix our WR situation.  

 

It won't be that hard. We need a #1 guy, and a #4 guy. Foster can play, and Jones is fine in the slot. Those two guys are back next year. 

 

I agree wide receivers bust frequently, but if there's a year to need a WR this looks like one of the better classes to come around over the past 4-5 years. 

[tcampbell104]

29 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think we would find Dawkins looked much better with a good LG and C.

He looked better last year, next to 'Cog and Wood

that one sack he gave up teller just stood there