Allen vs. Darnold: Analysts Evaluate the Present and Predict the Future

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Josh Allen and Sam Darnold: Evaluating the Present and Predicting the Future

 

 

There was a lot of anticipation this offseason for the two matchups that were to take place this fall between the Bills and Jets and their top draft choices Sam Darnold and Josh Allen, after both came off the board in the first seven picks of the 2018 draft.

 

Injuries to both Allen and Darnold wiped out the chance for them to square off in Week 10 at MetLife Stadium, but now in Week 15, the two rookies, and good friends, will meet up.

 

So what can be said about their seasons thus far?

 

Buffalobills.com sought out the observations of NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock, as well as those of AFC East beat reporters, Eric Allen (NYJets.com), Alain Poupart (MiamiDolphins.com) and Mike Reiss (ESPN.com - New England) on the two young signal callers and how much progress they’ve demonstrated in 2018.

 

We also asked them to peer into the future as best they could, to see where this pair of AFC East quarterbacks might be in a couple of years.

 

Josh Allen’s rookie season so far

Sam Darnold’s rookie season thus far

Where do you see their careers in two to three years time?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Allen ,ascending, championships

Darnold declining, depends on their coach and offensive talent.

 

 

[whatdrought]

Probably the most honest view of these two I’ve see. Usually Darnold gets the NY princess treatment, and Allen gets the “hah, the bills suck” treatment. 

 

I hope darnold has a long and successful career of losing to Allen and living in his shadow (literally and figuratively)

[kota]

Why is this even a topic?  

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

Going to toss Baker into this too.

 

I think it’s pretty simple.

 

Mayfield/Darnold teams are going to remove their Defensive Minded Head Coach and go on the hunt for the next Sean McVay/Matt Nagy.

 

if either, both hit on their coaching search, those 2 Quarterbacks futures would seem to me to be the brightest.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Going to toss Baker into this too.

 

I think it’s pretty simple.

 

Mayfield/Darnold teams are going to remove their Defensive Minded Head Coach and go on the hunt for the next Sean McVay/Matt Nagy.

 

if either, both hit on their coaching search, those 2 Quarterbacks futures would seem to me to be the brightest.

LOL

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

LOL

 

You don’t agree?  Why so?

[PolishPrince]

12 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Going to toss Baker into this too.

 

I think it’s pretty simple.

 

Mayfield/Darnold teams are going to remove their Defensive Minded Head Coach and go on the hunt for the next Sean McVay/Matt Nagy.

 

if either, both hit on their coaching search, those 2 Quarterbacks futures would seem to me to be the brightest.

I can understand this thought for Mayfield... but why Darnold? Man for all the flack Allen gets for some of his INT's and not having perfect accuracy... Darnold seems to throw at least one very ugly pick a game. I wanted Darnold over Allen in the draft.... but after watching this year outside of his first game... I honestly think he looks bad and the worst of the top 4 drafted QB's. I mean people bring up "Allen's accuracy issues go all the way back to start of college!" Well Darnold's knock was his love for ***** turnovers all through college - and that has continued so far

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

5 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

I can understand this thought for Mayfield... but why Darnold? Man for all the flack Allen gets for some of his INT's and not having perfect accuracy... Darnold seems to throw at least one very ugly pick a game. I wanted Darnold over Allen in the draft.... but after watching this year outside of his first game... I honestly think he looks bad and the worst of the top 4 drafted QB's. I mean people bring up "Allen's accuracy issues go all the way back to start of college!" Well Darnold's knock was his love for ***** turnovers all through college - and that has continued so far

 

I put Darnold in here because I am orettt much convinced all these guys have the right stuff.

 

its just who is going to get the right coaching staff to unlock it.  Like McVay unlocked in Goff or Nagy is unlocking in Trubisky or Reid with Mahomes.

 

Darnold, right now is stuck on a team with a first time/some say in over his head Offensive Coordinator, No Talent Around him and a Defensive Minded Head Coach.

 

Now how much can change in one offseason?

 

The Jets could find a Offensive Minded Head Coach who is and/or hires a innovated offensive coordinator.  The jets do have similar spending money to Buffalo and they could also score offensive talent in Free Agency.  Then there is the draft.

 

im not guaranteeing it.  But if the Jets try to work the Rams/Bears model their entire offense could look radically different by next year.

 

And as wobbly as you say Darnold has looked to...don’t you think there were Seahawk, Cardinal, Eagle fans all snickering about chow bad Goff looked under Fisher?

[Foxx]

Mike McCarthy to the Jests.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

33 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Going to toss Baker into this too.

 

I think it’s pretty simple.

 

Mayfield/Darnold teams are going to remove their Defensive Minded Head Coach and go on the hunt for the next Sean McVay/Matt Nagy.

 

if either, both hit on their coaching search, those 2 Quarterbacks futures would seem to me to be the brightest.

 

broken record...broken record...broken record....broken record

 

[section122]

3 minutes ago, Foxx said:

Mike McCarthy to the Jests.

 

That would be a dream.

 

The nightmare would be John Harbaugh going to the Jets.

[John from Riverside]

27 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

You don’t agree?  Why so?

Josh Allen easily has the most upside of these QBs.......he is the most raw right now and is the 2nd best QB of this class.

 

He also plays with trash all around him and hardly any protection

 

He is easily the most likely to improve because of these things....he has Brian Deboll who brought his fresh college concepts with him but doesnt have the horses to run them this year......and Josh STILL looks like the 2nd best rookie QB this year.

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Josh Allen easily has the most upside of these QBs.......he is the most raw right now and is the 2nd best QB of this class.

 

He also plays with trash all around him and hardly any protection

 

He is easily the most likely to improve because of these things....he has Brian Deboll who brought his fresh college concepts with him but doesnt have the horses to run them this year......and Josh STILL looks like the 2nd best rookie QB this year.

? advocate: Allen’s passing numbers are on par with Lamar Jackson. 

[dorquemada]

9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Josh Allen easily has the most upside of these QBs.......he is the most raw right now and is the 2nd best QB of this class.

 

He also plays with trash all around him and hardly any protection

 

He is easily the most likely to improve because of these things....he has Brian Deboll who brought his fresh college concepts with him but doesnt have the horses to run them this year......and Josh STILL looks like the 2nd best rookie QB this year.

 

Agreed.  The part i'm happiest with is that Allen is already making big time plays, and while he's still making mistakes, for the most part they havent been terminal, and like you say he absolutely has the highest upside of any of them.  I think Mayfield is probably the best now, but these two are going to be fighting it out for years, hopefully

[John from Riverside]

7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

? advocate: Allen’s passing numbers are on par with Lamar Jackson. 

Well......before the draft I actually liked Lamar Jackson as well...and he goes to a better team with better protection and targets then we have.

 

ppl seem to keep forgetting this.....the bills are not a good offensive team this year...we cannot run the ball to save our lives....our idea of a passing pocket is Josh gets it off before he gets hit.....and he throws it to receivers that look suprised when they catch it

 

We just had to release our number one wide out because he has been so horrible

[Captain Hindsight]

Sky is the limit for Allen, only thing that can stop his accession is himself IMO

 

Darnold I think will be a good starter for a decade. 

 

That said, I think the Bills are in much better shape than the Jets

[PolishPrince]

33 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

I put Darnold in here because I am orettt much convinced all these guys have the right stuff.

 

its just who is going to get the right coaching staff to unlock it.  Like McVay unlocked in Goff or Nagy is unlocking in Trubisky or Reid with Mahomes.

 

Darnold, right now is stuck on a team with a first time/some say in over his head Offensive Coordinator, No Talent Around him and a Defensive Minded Head Coach.

 

Now how much can change in one offseason?

 

The Jets could find a Offensive Minded Head Coach who is and/or hires a innovated offensive coordinator.  The jets do have similar spending money to Buffalo and they could also score offensive talent in Free Agency.  Then there is the draft.

 

im not guaranteeing it.  But if the Jets try to work the Rams/Bears model their entire offense could look radically different by next year.

 

And as wobbly as you say Darnold has looked to...don’t you think there were Seahawk, Cardinal, Eagle fans all snickering about chow bad Goff looked under Fisher?

Darnold and Goff are different IMO. Mainly because I dont think Goff was known as a turnover machine in college, Darnold was and has continued that. Several of his interception he just throws it right to linebackers like he just doesnt see them somehow

[LSHMEAB]

56 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

You don’t agree?  Why so?

I don't agree because I believe Darnold sucks.

 

There's no room in the NFL for a QB with that mug. They've already allowed Andrew Luck to do his thing. One is enough!

[billspro]

One of these teams will be the future of the AFCE. I think it will be the Bills.

[RoyBatty is alive]

28 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I don't agree because I believe Darnold sucks.

 

There's no room in the NFL for a QB with that mug. They've already allowed Andrew Luck to do his thing. One is enough!

 

Always felt that way, looks like his head was put in a vice as a kid, most great QBs are good looking,  Steve Young, Kelly, Marino, Unitas, Starr, Brady, Elway, Staubach, ....think about it.  Bradshaw & Luck  some of the few exception and not even sure Luck is "great" QB.  Allen is a good looking man, although sometimes he looks like he is 12 yrs old.

 

Good looking guys have a lot of self confidence if not downright arrogance (Kelly, Brady) , something you desperately need to be a great QB.

Edited December 6, 2018 by RoyBatty is alive

[PatsFanNH]

40 minutes ago, billspro said:

One of these teams will be the future of the AFCE. I think it will be the Bills.

I threw up a bit in my mouth thinking the Jets could be the future of the division... yuck!! 

 

IMO:

 

Allen — has a spark about him, it feels like he gets his teammates play a little bit harder and better.. still young and will take a couple years to iron out all the kinks but should be good as it APPEARS the Bulls have stopped the coaching carousel which is a killer for young QBs.

 

Darnold — has the tools and he could be good to very good, maybe this is my jet hating side talking, but I just see the Jets messing it up and ruining the kid.

 

Mayfield — he seems be the best of the rookie QBs this year IMO.  Has a talented RB and team around him, he will be made or broken depending on who the new HC is next year for the Browns.

 

i see this:

 

Bills - playoff team starting next year led by a stingy D and a young QB who learned to trust his D and not try do to much.. (I say Wildcard unless BB sand Brady both fall off a cliff next year)

 

jets — Darnold struggles next year learning a new system and is benched week 10 for some vet they signed in the off season.. NY fans start calling him a bust.

 

Cleveland — hires McDaniels and they win the AFC North and Cleveland celebrates its first playoff birth in years.

[Luka]

47 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Always felt that way, looks like his head was put in a vice as a kid, most great QBs are good looking,  Steve Young, Kelly, Marino, Unitas, Starr, Brady, Elway, Staubach, ....think about it.  Bradshaw & Luck  some of the few exception and not even sure Luck is "great" QB.  Allen is a good looking man, although sometimes he looks like he is 12 yrs old.

 

Good looking guys have a lot of self confidence if not downright arrogance (Kelly, Brady) , something you desperately need to be a great QB.

 

This place...

[BuffaninATL]

2 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

I put Darnold in here because I am orettt much convinced all these guys have the right stuff.

 

its just who is going to get the right coaching staff to unlock it.  Like McVay unlocked in Goff or Nagy is unlocking in Trubisky or Reid with Mahomes.

 

Darnold, right now is stuck on a team with a first time/some say in over his head Offensive Coordinator, No Talent Around him and a Defensive Minded Head Coach.

 

Now how much can change in one offseason?

 

The Jets could find a Offensive Minded Head Coach who is and/or hires a innovated offensive coordinator.  The jets do have similar spending money to Buffalo and they could also score offensive talent in Free Agency.  Then there is the draft.

 

im not guaranteeing it.  But if the Jets try to work the Rams/Bears model their entire offense could look radically different by next year.

 

And as wobbly as you say Darnold has looked to...don’t you think there were Seahawk, Cardinal, Eagle fans all snickering about chow bad Goff looked under Fisher?

 

I watched Darnold alot in college and his propensity for turning the ball over (INTs, fumbles due in part to less than ideal hand size) was noteworthy. Does a quality OC and/or offensive-minded HC fix those issues? I guess it's a chicken or egg argument to be had.

[BuffaninATL]

1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Always felt that way, looks like his head was put in a vice as a kid, most great QBs are good looking,  Steve Young, Kelly, Marino, Unitas, Starr, Brady, Elway, Staubach, ....think about it.  Bradshaw & Luck  some of the few exception and not even sure Luck is "great" QB.  Allen is a good looking man, although sometimes he looks like he is 12 yrs old.

 

Good looking guys have a lot of self confidence if not downright arrogance (Kelly, Brady) , something you desperately need to be a great QB.

 

Not sure if I agree with how you vetted your list of "good looking" QBs .... just saying - questionable at best. Young, Marino, Elway - yes.....the others, ummmm - not so much

[Domdab99]

3 hours ago, Foxx said:

Mike McCarthy to the Jests.

 

As a Bills fan, I would love this. 

[26CornerBlitz]

3 hours ago, billspro said:

One of these teams will be the future of the AFCE. I think it will be the Bills.

 

This offseason will go a long way in determining which team it will be.  The Jets will have a new HC and loads of cap space.

[LSHMEAB]

3 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Always felt that way, looks like his head was put in a vice as a kid, most great QBs are good looking,  Steve Young, Kelly, Marino, Unitas, Starr, Brady, Elway, Staubach, ....think about it.  Bradshaw & Luck  some of the few exception and not even sure Luck is "great" QB.  Allen is a good looking man, although sometimes he looks like he is 12 yrs old.

 

Good looking guys have a lot of self confidence if not downright arrogance (Kelly, Brady) , something you desperately need to be a great QB.

People will think this post is asinine, but it's dead on!

 

I don't want any ugly kickers either. Rian Lindell's mug probably lead to his lack of confidence on important kicks.

 

This is somewhat tongue in cheek, but it's a real thing if you pay attention.

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[formerlyofCtown]

5 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Going to toss Baker into this too.

 

I think it’s pretty simple.

 

Mayfield/Darnold teams are going to remove their Defensive Minded Head Coach and go on the hunt for the next Sean McVay/Matt Nagy.

 

if either, both hit on their coaching search, those 2 Quarterbacks futures would seem to me to be the brightest.

I think Allen will definitely hit his potential which will put him ahead of Baker, and Darnold will still bust.

[billspro]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

This offseason will go a long way in determining which team it will be.  The Jets will have a new HC and loads of cap space.

 

I say that mostly because I think Allen will be better than Darnold. Not how I ranked them in the draft process but Allen really impressed me the last two games.

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NFL Analyst Mayock Examines Josh Allen, Sam Darnold

 

 

With the matchup between two top-10 draft picks on tap for this Sunday, several analysts are exploring how the rookies have progressed this year. The matchup between Buffalo’s Josh Allen and New York’s Sam Darnold is a storyline that will garner some national attention, even though the Bills and Jets are each rounding out their respective 2018 campaigns without postseason participation in sight.

 

NFL Network’s Mike Mayock shared some of his thoughts on Allen in particular with the team’s website. For the national analyst, Allen’s progress has been on par with what he expected.

 

“For me, it’s as advertised. I think the thing we’ve seen recently with him, that’s helped the team out and given the kid a little bit of a platform is he’s kind of taken charge with his run game. Obviously, you always want the ability to extend plays and to make plays with your legs.” Mayock said.

 

He also added how Allen’s progress on the ground has been one for the record books, something that maybe wasn’t predicted back in April.

 

“The last couple of weeks what he has done running the football has been historic. He’s got to learn to win inside the pocket. That’s his biggest challenge. Then he can take advantage of his athletic ability outside the pocket when warranted,” Mayock said.

[RoyBatty is alive]

14 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

People will think this post is asinine, but it's dead on!

 

I don't want any ugly kickers either. Rian Lindell's mug probably lead to his lack of confidence on important kicks.

 

This is somewhat tongue in cheek, but it's a real thing if you pay attention.

Leaders on defense are the opposite, you cant have a pretty boy be a leader on defense.

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

17 hours ago, Luka said:

 

This place...

dont take things so seriously

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Chad Pennington Breakdown: Sam Darnold vs. Josh Allen (4:30)

Watch the Jets Legend Analyze Sunday's Matchup Between Two Rookie Quarterbacks

[VW82]

On 12/6/2018 at 11:15 AM, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Going to toss Baker into this too.

 

I think it’s pretty simple.

 

Mayfield/Darnold teams are going to remove their Defensive Minded Head Coach and go on the hunt for the next Sean McVay/Matt Nagy.

 

if either, both hit on their coaching search, those 2 Quarterbacks futures would seem to me to be the brightest.

 

I don’t think there’s any question those other guys are ahead right now, but it’s really early for all three. Baker looks like the surest thing to me. Allen still has the biggest risk (accuracy and football IQ) but if he ever gets those parts figured out he maybe has the highest upside too. We’re getting way ahead of ourselves though. Step one is to make sure they’re long-term NFL QBs. No one knows that for sure about any of them right now, including the teams they play for, and even themselves (but least of all us).

Edited December 9, 2018 by VW82

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Roller-Coaster Seasons of Sam Darnold and Josh Allen Collide

 

 

Rich Cimini and Mike Rodak -  ESPN

 

When the New York Jets and Buffalo Bills meet on Sunday at New Era Field, it will be the first meeting of starting quarterbacks drafted in the 2018 class: the Jets' Sam Darnold and the Bills' Josh Allen. (When the Jets and Browns met in Week 3, No. 1 pick Baker Mayfield replaced an injured Tyrod Taylor and finished the game, beating Darnold and the Jets.) Three weeks ago, when the Bills beat the Jets 41-10, Matt Barkley started for the Bills and Josh McCown for the Jets.

 

Darnold, the No. 3 pick, had a strong start to the season but hit a midseason rough patch and has been out for the past month with a foot injury. He's expected to return Sunday. Allen, the No. 7 pick, also missed time -- four weeks -- with an elbow injury, but since coming back he's led the Bills to a home win over the Jaguars and was one pass away from upsetting the Dolphins last Sunday in Miami.

 

NFL Nation writers Rich Cimini and Mike Rodak analyze the matchup and examine the roller-coaster seasons for both rookie quarterbacks:

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