MVP race

[frostbitmic]

Matt Barkley ... Undefeated, take that Drew Brees.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

 

All Brees !!!

 

how is that Goff is getting no love ??

 

[row_33]

4 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

All Brees !!!

 

how is that Goff is getting no love ??

 

 

Watch the Saints for a half....

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

9 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

Matt Barkley ... Undefeated, take that Drew Brees.

 

 

....LMAO....'Frosty at his best............

[Phil The Thrill]

Drew Brees is hardly the GOAT

[DCOrange]

Brees will win, but I think Mahomes has a stronger case than people are giving him credit for. Having probably the best running game in the NFL is a huge help to Brees (though he's undeniably been incredible this year).

 

Anywho, I think Brees deserves it, and considering his age and the fact that he's never won, he'll get it barring a collapse down the stretch. But I think Mahomes means roughly as much to his team as Brees does to his. I'd probably go with Luck as a distant 3rd.

Edited November 23, 2018 by DCOrange

[NoSaint]

15 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

@NoSaint years ago, probably 5 or 6, I professed not to believe Brees to be a HOF QB. I said I needed a few more years.  I've seen a few more years.  He is a HOF QB. 

 

Longevity was a fair concern at that point. He had a little but of a slow start to his career and then with the injury - how long would he last. The crazy thing is he might be playing his best ball ever. He’s making insane throws and outside of Thomas, it’s not a particularly good group of wr/te 

Edited November 23, 2018 by NoSaint

[Bing Bong]

Just now, NoSaint said:

 

Longevity was a fair concern at that point. He had a littlevof a slow start to his career and then with the injury - how long would he last. The crazy thing is he might be playing his best ball ever. He’s making insane throws and outside of Thomas, it’s not a particularly good group of wr/te 

He would have been HOF lock 3 years ago he's had amazing seasons and supreme consistency on his "off years" if you can call it that.

 

I'm losing my grip on Mahomeboy for MVP but I still want to see Saints go on the road against another top tier team, Kansas or LA.. get out of that dome and punctuate his MVP race. Those 3 teams are playing in a league of their own the talent disparity is incredible.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

He would have been HOF lock 3 years ago he's had amazing seasons and supreme consistency on his "off years" if you can call it that.

 

I'm losing my grip on Mahomeboy for MVP but I still want to see Saints go on the road against another top tier team, Kansas or LA.. get out of that dome and punctuate his MVP race. Those 3 teams are playing in a league of their own the talent disparity is incredible.

FWIW, they are undefeated on the road this year with an average margin of victory of 14 points. They can only play who is on their schedule. At Minnesota was a good win and the games at Dallas & Carolina will be tough. They are a machine at this point though. They are a tier ahead of everyone else. If the season ends this way and people have to go to the dome for the playoffs I like their chances. 

[CommonCents]

32 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

FWIW, they are undefeated on the road this year with an average margin of victory of 14 points. They can only play who is on their schedule. At Minnesota was a good win and the games at Dallas & Carolina will be tough. They are a machine at this point though. They are a tier ahead of everyone else. If the season ends this way and people have to go to the dome for the playoffs I like their chances. 

Who is going to play WR2? Tre’? Against better competition they will need someone reliable. Kirkwood didn’t look ready last night and I wouldn’t trust Marshall and his health.

 

Hey Arnold looks like he is taking snaps from Watson and Hill, that’s an improvement for them. 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Who is going to play WR2? Tre’? Against better competition they will need someone reliable. Kirkwood didn’t look ready last night and I wouldn’t trust Marshall and his health.

 

Hey Arnold looks like he is taking snaps from Watson and Hill, that’s an improvement for them. 

Tre’Quan Smith will likely be the guy. Their offense is so well designed that everyone is open (and Brees always finds them). He threw 4 TDs yesterday to undrafted players. Those 4 guys had combined for 2 career TD catches prior to yesterday. They really are the ultimate “next man up” team. 

 

They never turn it over and are on pace to punt less than any team in history. They just score so often that they can’t be beaten. They will get a few stops on defense and win by 2 scores. I’ve been saying for a month and a half that they are winning the Super Bowl by 2 scores. I’m sticking to that. 

[Alphadawg7]

17 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Mahomeboy's on pace for 50+ TDs. Brees might break Nick Foles' illustrious 27-2 ratio, 1 Quarterback has gone 50+.

 

Brees lost it when he almost broke Dan Marino's seeming impossible passing record the same year Sean Alexander scored 30 TDs. TDs are king.

More TDs. What did Brees see when Sean Alexander had nearly 30 TDs. Amost any other year he'd be a shoe in but his 2 best seasons have happened when another player scores an ungodly amount of TDs. That's a lot of 7 point plays.

 

Mahomeboy is also still the favorite: -25.

 

And yet saints still have better record.  Why?  Because Brees didn’t lose them a game where he committed 5 turnovers in a game giving up 2 defensive TDs that they lost by 3 points...including game ending INT with chance to tie still.

 

Brees is playing better football.  TD numbers don’t matter.  I’d take a guy who finishes with 40TDs  and 1 int over a guy with 50 and 20 100% of the time and i would bet good money that the 40-1 guy has a better record every time.

[Bing Bong]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

And yet saints still have better record.  Why?  Because Brees didn’t lose them a game where he committed 5 turnovers in a game giving up 2 defensive TDs that they lost by 3 points...including game ending INT with chance to tie still.

 

Brees is playing better football.  TD numbers don’t matter.  I’d take a guy who finishes with 40TDs  and 1 int over a guy with 50 and 20 100% of the time and i would bet good money that the 40-1 guy has a better record every time.

Eh yeah I'm giving Brees the go ahead.. dude isn't losing no reason he isn't the runaway favorite. I DO want to see him get out of that dome against these top tier Chiefs or Rams games but not in the schedule and can't knock him for that.

 

TD numbers DO matter. Record breakers in those categories virtually always win the record. Though it's doubtful Mahomeboy tops Manning's record.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

11 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

Watch the Saints for a half....

 

 

I have watched multiple games , what's your point?

[LSHMEAB]

6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

And yet saints still have better record.  Why?  Because Brees didn’t lose them a game where he committed 5 turnovers in a game giving up 2 defensive TDs that they lost by 3 points...including game ending INT with chance to tie still.

 

Brees is playing better football.  TD numbers don’t matter.  I’d take a guy who finishes with 40TDs  and 1 int over a guy with 50 and 20 100% of the time and i would bet good money that the 40-1 guy has a better record every time.

Did you really just blame the QB for a loss when said QB's team dropped 51 points on their opponent? That's pretty crazy.

Mahomes is the MVP. Brees will win the MVP. 

[Alphadawg7]

On 11/23/2018 at 10:38 AM, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Eh yeah I'm giving Brees the go ahead.. dude isn't losing no reason he isn't the runaway favorite. I DO want to see him get out of that dome against these top tier Chiefs or Rams games but not in the schedule and can't knock him for that.

 

TD numbers DO matter. Record breakers in those categories virtually always win the record. Though it's doubtful Mahomeboy tops Manning's record.

 

Mahomes is having a sensational season, but highly unlikely he breaks Manning’s record.  

 

Like I said, Brees has earned it this far, that’s not a knock on Mahomes, it’s that Brees is playing perfect football.  

21 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Did you really just blame the QB for a loss when said QB's team dropped 51 points on their opponent? That's pretty crazy.

Mahomes is the MVP. Brees will win the MVP. 

 

Lmao.  Said QB had a heroic game and also turned the ball over personally FIVE times including 2 defensive TDs and an INT with chance to tie and steal game still.  

 

If you cant calculate how five turnovers and 2 defensive TDs contributed to a 3 point loss then you need to take a break from fantasy football for a while because you’ve lost touch between FF and NFL. 

 

Mahomes would swap out his game for Goff’s in a heartbeat where he had 4TDs and NO turnovers and a WIN over his 6TDs and 5 turnovers and a 3 point loss.

Edited November 24, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Oldfan]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Mahomes is having a sensational season, but highly unlikely he breaks Manning’s record.  

 

Like I said, Brees has earned it this far, that’s not a knock on Mahomes, it’s that Brees is playing perfect football.  

 

Lmao.  Said QB had a heroic game and also turned the ball over personally FIVE times including 2 defensive TDs and an INT with chance to tie and steal game still.  

 

If you cant calculate how five turnovers and 2 defensive TDs contributed to a 3 point loss then you need to take a break from fantasy football for a while because you’ve lost touch between FF and NFL. 

 

Mahomes would swap out his game for Goff’s in a heartbeat where he had 4TDs and NO turnovers and a WIN over his 6TDs and 5 turnovers and a 3 point loss.

Goff had 2 turnovers himself. One was returned for a touchdown.

 

Mahomes accounted for 6 TD and 5TO

Goff accounted for 5 TD and 2TO

Edited November 24, 2018 by Oldfan

[LSHMEAB]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Mahomes is having a sensational season, but highly unlikely he breaks Manning’s record.  

 

Like I said, Brees has earned it this far, that’s not a knock on Mahomes, it’s that Brees is playing perfect football.  

 

Lmao.  Said QB had a heroic game and also turned the ball over personally FIVE times including 2 defensive TDs and an INT with chance to tie and steal game still.  

 

If you cant calculate how five turnovers and 2 defensive TDs contributed to a 3 point loss then you need to take a break from fantasy football for a while because you’ve lost touch between FF and NFL. 

 

Mahomes would swap out his game for Goff’s in a heartbeat where he had 4TDs and NO turnovers and a WIN over his 6TDs and 5 turnovers and a 3 point loss.

You think our QB will ever have a game like Mahomes had? Ever? Even considering the 5 TO's but 51 points. Chances are low. Goff had a more efficient game. What's your point?

 

You do not seem to have the ability to objectively judge Mahomes for obvious reasons. I could be wrong...but I doubt it.

[Bing Bong]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Mahomes is having a sensational season, but highly unlikely he breaks Manning’s record.  

If he breaks the record he's MVP highly unlikely though.. could see the Chiefs inflating padding his stats end of year to get him there tho. Like Beli did with Brady and Moss

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

You think our QB will ever have a game like Mahomes had? Ever? Even considering the 5 TO's but 51 points. Chances are low. Goff had a more efficient game. What's your point?

 

You do not seem to have the ability to objectively judge Mahomes for obvious reasons. I could be wrong...but I doubt it.

Those last two interceptions should be taken with a grain of salt. Bad INTs especially the first. But the second was just desparation mode to win. Beats running out of bounds on a hail Mary with half time ran out Peterman style.

 

He needed huge plays on those drives against prevent defense and a strong pass rush on the first int. Ain't faulting him for trying, those are the better kind of turnovers if you don't just look at the final statline. Obviously all Turnovers are bad, some better than others.

Edited November 24, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[Alphadawg7]

7 hours ago, Oldfan said:

Goff had 2 turnovers himself. One was returned for a touchdown.

 

Mahomes accounted for 6 TD and 5TO

Goff accounted for 5 TD and 2TO

 

I was more generally speaking, I didn’t look up Goff’s stars hence why I said 4 and 0.  Just meant he would trade less Stats for a win in a heartbeat.

Edited November 25, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Alphadawg7]

6 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

If he breaks the record he's MVP highly unlikely though.. could see the Chiefs inflating padding his stats end of year to get him there tho. Like Beli did with Brady and Moss

Those last two interceptions should be taken with a grain of salt. Bad INTs especially the first. But the second was just desparation mode to win. Beats running out of bounds on a hail Mary with half time ran out Peterman style.

 

He needed huge plays on those drives against prevent defense and a strong pass rush on the first int. Ain't faulting him for trying, those are the better kind of turnovers if you don't just look at the final statline. Obviously all Turnovers are bad, some better than others.

 

I get that, and it’s not about beating the kid up.  But he’s also scrambling to score again because the Rams scored a bunch off his earlier turnovers.  

 

It’s just about comparing him to Brees for consideration of MVP.  These things matter and why Brees is firmly the MVP right now.  Not a bad thing to be 2nd in the MVP race in his first year starting.  

Edited November 25, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Bing Bong]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 What does our Qb have to do with this?  LMAO, who’s talking about the Bills.  We are talking about the MVP race between Brees and Mahomes.  

 

What is with this board and not being able to stay on topic in a thread?  Secondly, what’s this boards obessesion with not being able to be objective?  I said over and over Mahomes is having a sensational Season.  Just because you like him doesn’t mean he gets obsolved from mistakes.  

 

HE LOST THE GAME.  He turned the ball over FIVE times in a 3 point loss.  He had tons of heroics in that game, but it WASNT ENOUGH to over come the mistakes that gave the Rams all those points.

 

Does it means he sucks?  NOPE.  It means he’s human and he’s gonna have times where he makes mistakes.  You guys treat him like he’s infallable and walks on water.

 

It’s ok for him to own it when he makes a mistake.  He played a hell of a game, but he also hurt his team to the point he didn’t have enough heroics left to over come it.  The kid will be fine, he’s having a great season...BUT...

 

...Brees is better.  Brees is the MVP.  Bress is playing perfect football.  It’s his award to lose at this point and it’s not that close

He played a hell of a game against probably the best team in NFL. Drew looks good now when he's playing on turf.. MVP votes change weekly: Mahomeboy didn't lose much, Brees didn't win much. But a win, and a loss for MVP Quarterbacks is a big deal.  But are Kamara and Ingram and the running game and the defnse make it more value than a Chiefs with an elite Quarterback having a just as good RB and a few less on D,? Most valuable player.

 

Don't see why Mahomeboy get knocked for losing in an offensive record to a .900 when Drew gets praised blowing out a -500 team

 

He turned over and he lost??? Has Brees not done and will never turn over and lose? it's homefield advantage and maybe ya don't get that in the SB ?.. But Saints got real playoff game reality, let's see the Panthers show them up. Rams basically have had away stadiums this whole season haha.

Edited November 25, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

He played a hell of a game against probably the best team in NFL. Drew looks good now when he's playing on turf.. MVP votes change weekly: Mahomeboy didn't lose much, Brees didn't win much. But a win, and a loss for MVP Quarterbacks is a big deal.  But are Kamara and Ingram and the running game and the defnse make it more value than a Chiefs with an elite Quarterback having a just as good RB and a few less on D,? Most valuable player.

 

Don't see why Mahomeboy get knocked for losing in an offensive record to a .900 when Drew gets praised blowing out a -500 team

 

He turned over and he lost??? Has Brees not done and will never turn over and lose? it's homefield advantage and maybe ya don't get that in the SB ?.. But Saints got real playoff game reality, let's see the Panthers show them up. Rams basically have had away stadiums this whole season haha.

 

Mahomes also was playing the worst secondary in the NFL, you left that part out.  

[Oldfan]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Mahomes also was playing the worst secondary in the NFL, you left that part out.  

Mahomes put up 6 touchdowns and 478 on that Rams defense (both season highs for the Rams defense)

 

His problem was Aaron Donald. A true game changer and Defensive MVP. 2 forced fumbles. Enukam didn’t help either, as he was responsible for 2 interceptions. 

 

Donald and Ebukam we’re the difference for LA

Edited November 25, 2018 by Oldfan

[Chicken Boo]

Kamara should be included in this poll.  He is a big part of Drew's big season.

 

Todd Gurley was robbed of MVP in 2017.  Just putting that out there.

[Bing Bong]

11 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Mahomes also was playing the worst secondary in the NFL, you left that part out.  

Falcons have a worse scoring defense, passing yards allowed than Rams. I thought saying the Rams > Falcons was enough rather than running to PFF for silly comparisons between the two.

 

Also MNF knocked the daylights out of those team rankings, Rams at 5 KC last by a mile. Both must have dropped like 4 spots.

 

Gimme Brees late season in Arrowhead. Idk their schedule but Panthers upcoming could be their biggest challenge in a while seems like.

Edited November 25, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[BringBackOrton]

On 11/19/2018 at 8:18 PM, NoSaint said:

 

being a saints season ticket holder through his prime has been a treat as a fan of the game

Very jealous.  To watch a living legend year after year, and he's not a divisional rival so you can just appreciate his game.

[BringBackOrton]

On 11/23/2018 at 9:05 AM, NoSaint said:

 

Longevity was a fair concern at that point. He had a little but of a slow start to his career and then with the injury - how long would he last. The crazy thing is he might be playing his best ball ever. He’s making insane throws and outside of Thomas, it’s not a particularly good group of wr/te 

Don't discount how much Ingram and Kamara help though.  Kamara is a legit #2 target.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Foxx]

On 11/19/2018 at 3:22 PM, CDogg20 said:

Simple question, who is your MVP so far? 

 

I’m going with Brees. I think without him, that team doesn’t go like it has. If WAR were an nfl stat id love to see what his would be

i hear Josh Allen is the favorite next year.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

On 11/23/2018 at 8:00 AM, DCOrange said:

Brees will win, but I think Mahomes has a stronger case than people are giving him credit for. Having probably the best running game in the NFL is a huge help to Brees (though he's undeniably been incredible this year).

 

Anywho, I think Brees deserves it, and considering his age and the fact that he's never won, he'll get it barring a collapse down the stretch. But I think Mahomes means roughly as much to his team as Brees does to his. I'd probably go with Luck as a distant 3rd.

 

This is pretty much where I'm at. All things equal I'd probably go with Mahomes to this point but with the politics involved it'll be Brees.

 

Love the avatar by the way, I thought it was one of my favorites J-Fly for a second but I think that's CJ. Cuse bball has been bruuuutal to watch so far this season. I was expecting so much more on offense. 

[C.Biscuit97]

On 12/2/2018 at 7:40 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Well, he was eliminated from the race because he had a bad training camp practice. 

[TheFunPolice]

If Mahomes can lead KC to a win over NE  and make for a nice, fun, stress  free Super Bowl there is no honor I would be likely to deny him, including league MVP

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

19 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

If Mahomes can lead KC to a win over NE  and make for a nice, fun, stress  free Super Bowl there is no honor I would be likely to deny him, including league MVP

 

MVP is a regular season award.

[DCOrange]

45 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

This is pretty much where I'm at. All things equal I'd probably go with Mahomes to this point but with the politics involved it'll be Brees.

 

Love the avatar by the way, I thought it was one of my favorites J-Fly for a second but I think that's CJ. Cuse bball has been bruuuutal to watch so far this season. I was expecting so much more on offense. 

 

Yeah, it's CJ. I want to see the picture of him is from one of the games against Duke or Georgetown but I don't remember for sure. I made this avatar in Photoshop a long time ago now.

 

And yeah, the team has been rough for sure. I thought we were being overhyped the whole time anyways, so I'm not super surprised, but it is a little disappointing to more or less look like the same team we had a year ago.

[TheFunPolice]

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

MVP is a regular season award.

 

oh....

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Gregg Rosenthal's Latest Take

MVP watch

1) Patrick Mahomes, QB, Kansas City Chiefs: Mahomes' performance in Oakland was his season writ small. You could nitpick his missed throws early, or you could embrace the ridiculous fireworks show he put on after that, featuring seven or eight throws no one else can make.

 

2) Drew Brees, QB, New Orleans Saints: One poor start should not damage Brees' candidacy. I see Brees and Mahomes as co-favorites entering the final quarter of the season, with the strongest closing kick likely to clinch the award.

 

3) Aaron Donald, DT, Los Angeles Rams: Saying that Donald is a legitimate MVP candidate is the trendy hot take this week. Donald has been in the top three or four names on this list for weeks, and a few more game-changing plays could give him a realistic chance to be the first defensive player to win the award since Lawrence Taylor in 1986.

 

4) Philip Rivers, QB, Los Angeles Chargers: It's happening. The late-career run for a title is accompanied by overdue recognition. Jump on the bandwagon before it's too late.

 

5) Khalil Mack, LB, Chicago Bears: There is a crazy world in which Donald could win MVP while Mack wins Defensive Player of the Year, but we do not live in that world.

[26CornerBlitz]

Sorry Mr. Brees. You have been passed in the MVP race by one Patrick Mahomes.

[26CornerBlitz]