The Bills Blog Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: If you're losing big it means the other team already put up a bunch of yards so you're weighing the second half without considering the first half. Good math guy Lol. I can't wait to bring this thread back next year. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, The Bills Blog said: Lol. I can't wait to bring this thread back next year. ? Because of your scorching hot take the bills may not be #1 defense next year? Bold move cotton, we'll see if it pays off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I love this post. You have to respect the character of our defense. They have been playing at a consistently high level with little to no support from the other side of the ball. Let's hope the offense can catch up to the defense next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I really hated watching Tyrod Taylor play the last few years but if he was here this year we'd be making the playoffs again. Our defense has been incredible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, The_Dude said: Ok. But it doesn’t. I mean of course the exception to the rule pops up here and there. But feel free to believe in backwards ideologies. OK, who says its backward, you, Shopp and the bulldog, TBD posters? All these experienced NFL experts! 1 hour ago, The Bills Blog said: Lol. I can't wait to bring this thread back next year. ? I'm sure you can't! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, vorpma said: OK, who says its backward, you, Shopp and the bulldog, TBD posters? All these experienced NFL experts! Well, I’ll argue and win the aforementioned people all have better records in terms of judgement than the Bills experts over 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 4 hours ago, The_Dude said: Chiefs have an awful defense but look at their record. That’s my point. McDermott is putting the cart before the horse. You have no point. LOL. Chiefs offense isn't giving up pick 6's and not giving up the ball in their own territory. Difficult for any defense to constantly stop opposing offenses when they're starting their drives near midfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Well, I’ll argue and win the aforementioned people all have better records in terms of judgement than the Bills experts over 20 years. Again, says who? I can go find experts that say the exact opposite, don't mean nothing! You strong personal opinion that gets as much weight as anybody else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: You have no point. LOL. Chiefs offense isn't giving up pick 6's and not giving up the ball in their own territory. Difficult for any defense to constantly stop opposing offenses when they're starting their drives near midfield. ......can you walk and chew gum at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, HappyDays said: The #1 defense with an average offense can still be dominant. The problem this season is our offense has been disgustingly bad. Today it was pretty good, not great but pretty good, and combined with a dominant defense it gave us a blowout win. Ask the Jags how that's going... 3 hours ago, vorpma said: OK, who says its backward, you, Shopp and the bulldog, TBD posters? All these experienced NFL experts! I'm sure you can't! Um all the teams that are at the top of the league overwhelmingly addressed the offensive side of the ball in the past few seasons. You can't be serious... Top 5 D in DVOA going into this week: 1. CHI 2. BUF 3. HOU 4. DEN 5. SEA I see a couple losing records, 2 decent teams, and no Superbowl contenders. Top 5 O in DVOA going into this week: 1. KAN 2. LAR 3. LAC 4. NO 5. CAR I see 5 legitimate Superbowl, if not, conference championship contenders. Welcome to the league. Edited November 12, 2018 by Elite Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: Ask the Jags how that's going... Um all the teams that are at the top of the league overwhelmingly addressed the offensive side of the ball in the past few seasons. You can't be serious... Top 5 D in DVOA going into this week: 1. CHI 2. BUF 3. HOU 4. DEN 5. SEA I see a couple losing records, 2 decent teams, and no Superbowl contenders. Top 5 O in DVOA going into this week: 1. KAN 2. LAR 3. LAC 4. NO 5. CAR I see 5 legitimate Superbowl, if not, conference championship contenders. Welcome to the league. Ok, so what, its a cycle that can change quickly; welcome to the real world! No *****, you need to score points to win, what a new concept! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: Ask the Jags how that's going... The Jaguars do not have an average offense. They're ranked 29th in PPG. If they were average they'd be in much better shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, The_Dude said: ......can you walk and chew gum at the same time? I'd be surprised if you could... And what does this have to do with anything. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 55 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: I'd be surprised if you could... And what does this have to do with anything. LOL. Because I didn't think my point needed to be explaining, but apparently it does because of your comment on how the Chiefs offense isn't turning the ball over. Of course they're not -- they're a good offense. Now, look at their record. Now look at ours. We have the #1 defense and yet we've been largely un-competitive, and blown-out on several occasions. I like a good defense as much as the next guy. But with the way the league is structured now, the offense should be more the focus. The Bills, under McDermott, have yet to focus too much on the offense. And the record shows the folly in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 4 hours ago, vorpma said: OK, who says its backward, you, Shopp and the bulldog, TBD posters? All these experienced NFL experts! I'm sure you can't! As has been stated numerous times, you are what your record says you are. Stats are meaningless compared to wins and losses. Let me help you understand how this works. Wins count more than any stat on the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, iinii said: As has been stated numerous times, you are what your record says you are. Stats are meaningless compared to wins and losses. Let me help you understand how this works. Wins count more than any stat on the books. You got a mind like a steel trap, nothing gets by you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, vorpma said: You got a mind like a steel trap, nothing gets by you! I’ll take that to mean you now understand how the NFL and all sports leagues work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 18 minutes ago, iinii said: I’ll take that to mean you now understand how the NFL and all sports leagues work. Take it anyway you want; offense needs to score points and defense needs to limit points in order to gain that critical statistic you so eloquently stated: wins! Probably a generational thing, I love defensive battles in open air, cold gray days, with mud, snow, beer, and hitting. Defense can still win, probably defies conventional thinking but in the end it still wins! You guys love Arena Football with two hundred points a game in your under shirt in a domed stadium enjoying 75 degree and dry days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, vorpma said: Take it anyway you want; offense needs to score points and defense needs to limit points in order to gain that critical statistic you so eloquently stated: wins! Probably a generational thing, I love defensive battles in open air, cold gray days, with mud, snow, beer, and hitting. Defense can still win, probably defies conventional thinking but in the end it still wins! You guys love Arena Football with two hundred points a game in your under shirt in a domed stadium enjoying 75 degree and dry days! Kids these days!! Worst of all.... skinny jeans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Much more important stats where the Bills are ranked in the middle of the pack....points allowed and 3rd down %. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, LabattBlue said: Much more important stats where the Bills are ranked in the middle of the pack....points allowed and 3rd down %. Points, ok. But why do you think 3d down percentage is so important? Seems like there could be all kinds of reasons for a good (or bad) 3rd down percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, mannc said: Points, ok. But why do you think 3d down percentage is so important? Seems like there could be all kinds of reasons for a good (or bad) 3rd down percentage. The ability of your defense to get off the field at key points in the game, and avoid long drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, mannc said: Points, ok. But why do you think 3d down percentage is so important? Seems like there could be all kinds of reasons for a good (or bad) 3rd down percentage. I'm more concerned about the RZ defense, although I have no explanation or theory. Just needs to be better if they're to be considered an elite unit. 3rd down percentage is annoying as a fan, but probably has too many variables to be considered statistically significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: The ability of your defense to get off the field at key points in the game, and avoid long drives. I understand that. I’m wondering if there is a high statistical correlation between opponents’ 3rd down conversion rate and winning (or even having a good defense). For example, I see that the Jets have the second best defensive 3d down conversion rate in the league this year. That would seem to undermine the efficacy of that particular stat. In fact, looking at the list, there seems to be almost no correlation between good defenses and conversion rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, mannc said: I understand that. I’m wondering if there is a high statistical correlation between opponents’ 3rd down conversion rate and winning (or even having a good defense). For example, I see that the Jets have the second best defensive 3d down conversion rate in the league this year. That would seem to undermine the efficacy of that particular stat. In fact, looking at the list, there seems to be almost no correlation between good defenses and conversion rate. I guess you can massage any stats multiple ways. Even through you lead the league in yards allowed, what if you suck at allowing scores when the game is on the line in the 4th quarter? You suck at RZ defense? I guess it's hard to get excited when the team you just shut down may even be worse than your offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, LabattBlue said: I guess you can massage any stats multiple ways. Even through you lead the league in yards allowed, what if you suck at allowing scores when the game is on the line in the 4th quarter? You suck at RZ defense? I guess it's hard to get excited when the team you just shut down may even be worse than your offense. Yeah, but it doesn't stem, or rather start from there, LB. They held the Bears to 191 yards and as Sal pointed out this morning the Bills D was averaging 359 for the first two games and then for the last eight the average has been 288. I see where you are coming from, but honestly, this is just plain a really good defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 5 hours ago, vorpma said: Ok, so what, its a cycle that can change quickly; welcome to the real world! No *****, you need to score points to win, what a new concept! It's a cycle? All the rules are pointing to YOU NEED OFFENSE, and every great team has a franchise player at one position and it sure as hell is not MLB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: It's a cycle? All the rules are pointing to YOU NEED OFFENSE, and every great team has a franchise player at one position and it sure as hell is not MLB. No kidding - duh, you have to score points to win, and no S***, you need franchise players on offense, thank you Captain Obvious, the elite poster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Crazy to think with even Peterman as QB lol. I think D would be number 1 by far if Peterman or Anderson were not starting QBS this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Both the Bills and the Jags have a "bend, then break," defense and crap for offense - which is why they both suck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1). No one said McDermott wasn’t a good defensive coach. I think the problem a lot of people had is giving a first time head coach Belichick type control over the franchise. 2). Teams definitely become more conservative with the lead. The Bears, for instance, just basically tried to run out the clock. This D is still very impressive and there is a lot of talent on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 3 hours ago, vorpma said: Take it anyway you want; offense needs to score points and defense needs to limit points in order to gain that critical statistic you so eloquently stated: wins! Probably a generational thing, I love defensive battles in open air, cold gray days, with mud, snow, beer, and hitting. Defense can still win, probably defies conventional thinking but in the end it still wins! You guys love Arena Football with two hundred points a game in your under shirt in a domed stadium enjoying 75 degree and dry days! Nice try but I haven’t seen an arena league game. I do believe in a sound defense. Buffalo’s number one defense by whatever metric hasn’t done so well against the Colts, Bears, or GB and these are decent offenses. They haven’t played the Chefs, Saints or Rams so keep trying and don’t try to put me in some sort of box that fits a narrative that suits you because you don’t know anything about me. How many yards did Fitz have yesterday? And how many points? Stats are for fantasy leagues and wins are for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 This is especially impressive given the fact offenses have been on the field against it much more so than not (running a lot more plays than ours) over the course of the season. Usually that will wear down a D, which will be reflected by the stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 11 hours ago, The Bills Blog said: I'm sorry, but that's just not how it works. Again, I am referring ONLY to defensive ranking in terms of yards allowed. The Bills may well be a better defense next year in terms of points allowed or other measures, but they will not be the "#1 defense" because this is based on yards. It never works this way in the NFL. When you have a great offense, you typically have a middle-of-the-road defense statistically. Again, the Bills do have a great defense. That is not at argument. Well almost everyone on the defense is under contract and our young players developing will certainly help make them better...so. They will not be number one because you say so? Because history says so? History is broken every day. Stop saying can't and won't, those are the words of a quitter who doesn't have what it takes to be different and make history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 11/12/2018 at 1:53 PM, The_Dude said: Because I didn't think my point needed to be explaining, but apparently it does because of your comment on how the Chiefs offense isn't turning the ball over. Of course they're not -- they're a good offense. Now, look at their record. Now look at ours. We have the #1 defense and yet we've been largely un-competitive, and blown-out on several occasions. I like a good defense as much as the next guy. But with the way the league is structured now, the offense should be more the focus. The Bills, under McDermott, have yet to focus too much on the offense. And the record shows the folly in that. You don't need to explain a point you don't have. Just doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 9 hours ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: You don't need to explain a point you don't have. Just doesn't make sense. If you’re gonna play the fool, you should at least edit my quote to where my Barney-style breakdown is omitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 On 11/14/2018 at 6:59 AM, The_Dude said: If you’re gonna play the fool, you should at least edit my quote to where my Barney-style breakdown is omitted. Talk to me when you have something smart to say. lol. Just spitting nonsense now little boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 On 11/11/2018 at 5:30 PM, Kelly the Dog said: Today was obviously the aberration for this offense, but for the defense to be atop the league in yards given up considering the overall sucktitude of the O in 80% of the games is pretty amazing. McDermott can coach defense. I'm sorry to burst your imaginary bubble but Leslie Frasier has and always been a great defensive coach. The #1 defense running today is the same defense he ran in Tampa bay , Minnesota. This is his defense which is the Tampa Two not Micky- D. who prefer to the run the Jim Johnson scheme from his days in Philly & Carolina. When the coach tried to take over defensive coaching duties for a half.Leslie had to tell him " This is his defense " not his. Leslie understood Micky-D was getting nervous so he calmed him down by telling him its understandable as a 1st time coach you try anything but he has to trust Leslie process in running a defense he is not familiar with and don't ever make that mistake again. What this joke of a head coach need to do is dismiss his buddies on the offense side of the ball he chose the o-line; qb and receivers coach with him from his time in philly and carolina' once the quality of coaches improve the offense will improve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittsforDave Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) So after the Bye week. Are we still numero uno? Edited November 20, 2018 by PittsforDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeKayAdams Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 42 minutes ago, PittsforDave said: So after the Bye week. Are we still numero uno? No, dropped to #2 because Baltimore had a great game. Our remaining schedule is very favorable, however, for reclaiming the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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