How badly does this offense rank all-time through 8 games?

[sullim4]

I'm genuinely curious here, and I know many of you are stat freaks.  Any insights into how badly the offense is playing, relative to historically bad teams like the 1976 Bucs?

[jahnyc]

I am wondering as well, but let's not forget that this year is seeing scoring at a record pace and things were different for offenses back in 1976 as compared to now in terms of rules and sophistication.

[JinxedBill1]

Idk but whose to blame?  Personally I'd bring in Haley. 

[row_33]

77 Bills had one rushing TD apart from the QB

 

 

[Warren Zevon]

A couple of weeks ago I saw a stat they were the 2nd worst other than some 2000s Dolphins team. Likely the worst now.

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

It looks like the 2000 Browns scored 161 points that season. That’s the worst output for a season going back 20 years. We’re on pace for 174, but given the trend it’s hard to say we won’t have a solid crack at <160

[26CornerBlitz]

Oh it's rank alright and very offensive!

[Fadingpain]

Point differential is a pretty solid indicator of how good or bad a team is.

 

Our worst season all time is 1971.  We had a MINUS 210 point differential for the season.  (14 games back then).  

 

Right now, we are handily worst in the league for 2018, with a differential of MINUS 113.

 

Next worst team is Phoenix with -89.

 

 

 

[Gunsgoodtime]

11 minutes ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said:

It looks like the 2000 Browns scored 161 points that season. That’s the worst output for a season going back 20 years. We’re on pace for 174, but given the trend it’s hard to say we won’t have a solid crack at <160

We have as solid chance with Peterman.  I think we can get it done

[nedboy7]

Where is the post that says if you didn't see this coming this season you are an idiot and the path to the SB comes from the rebuild. 

[Gunsgoodtime]

Just now, nedboy7 said:

Where is the post that says if you didn't see this coming this season you are an idiot and the path to the SB comes from the 

Lots of kool aid going around

[The Frankish Reich]

25 minutes ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said:

It looks like the 2000 Browns scored 161 points that season. That’s the worst output for a season going back 20 years. We’re on pace for 174, but given the trend it’s hard to say we won’t have a solid crack at <160

161 points = 10.0625 points per game.

Thru 8 games the Bills are at 87 points scored, or 10.975 ppg.  It's getting really close ....

[FistingBot]

9 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

161 points = 10.0625 points per game.

Thru 8 games the Bills are at 87 points scored, or 10.975 ppg.  It's getting really close ....

 

I don't want to sound like an educator or anything but 87/8 = 10.875. ?

 

I posted this in the GDT but probably should have posted it here... No team has averaged fewer points per game since the 2006 Oakland Raiders averaged 10.5.  And, the last team to average less than 14 points per game (two touchdowns per game) was the 2012 Kansas City Chiefs. And, their offensive coordinator was our very own Brian Daboll.

 

Is it talent? Is it scheme? Is it play calling? I'm of the opinion that it is all of the above. Everyone can see we need more talent on offense. But, we also have a coordinator who has never had much success as an OC anywhere in the NFL (Buffalo being his 4th stop).

 

[The Process]

6 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

Point differential is a pretty solid indicator of how good or bad a team is.

 

Our worst season all time is 1971.  We had a MINUS 210 point differential for the season.  (14 games back then).  

 

Right now, we are handily worst in the league for 2018, with a differential of MINUS 113.

 

Next worst team is Phoenix with -89.

 

 

 

But but but....they have Rosen!!!! That can't be!

[Midwest1981]

Considering the unprecedented offensive production we’re seeing, our impotent results are staggering and embarrassing. But we still won’t likely be the least productive offense of all time since the 1992 Seattle Seahawks, who went 2-14, only scored 140 points, the fewest in a 16-game season.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

In the last 14 games we have thrown under 100 yards 5 times. The Browns that went 1-32 only did that once. 0-16 lions also once.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Midwest1981 said:

Considering the unprecedented offensive production we’re seeing, our impotent results are staggering and embarrassing.

Our production needs to be adjusted to league average to show how truly terrible it is. 

[The Frankish Reich]

6 hours ago, October 1918 said:

 

I don't want to sound like an educator or anything but 87/8 = 10.875. ?

 

I posted this in the GDT but probably should have posted it here... No team has averaged fewer points per game since the 2006 Oakland Raiders averaged 10.5.  And, the last team to average less than 14 points per game (two touchdowns per game) was the 2012 Kansas City Chiefs. And, their offensive coordinator was our very own Brian Daboll.

 

Is it talent? Is it scheme? Is it play calling? I'm of the opinion that it is all of the above. Everyone can see we need more talent on offense. But, we also have a coordinator who has never had much success as an OC anywhere in the NFL (Buffalo being his 4th stop).

 

Oops. 

 

47 minutes ago, Chemical said:

In the last 14 games we have thrown under 100 yards 5 times. The Browns that went 1-32 only did that once. 0-16 lions also once.

 

 

Our production needs to be adjusted to league average to show how truly terrible it is. 

Very true. A 40 HR season meant a lot in the late 70s/early 80s. Not so much at all in the peak steroid era. We are in a high scoring/high passing yardage environment now, so this offensive performance is truly pathetic.

[chaccof]

7 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

Point differential is a pretty solid indicator of how good or bad a team is.

 

Our worst season all time is 1971.  We had a MINUS 210 point differential for the season.  (14 games back then).  

 

Right now, we are handily worst in the league for 2018, with a differential of MINUS 113.

 

Next worst team is Phoenix with -89.

 

 

 

Cool, I knew my 1971 signed team ball with OJ and Al Cowling's signatures would be worth something.....just didn't know why.....thanks Mom and Dad!

[row_33]

Pats played to win with minimal effort in the first half

 

when they needed key yards in the 4th it was zip zip zip zip down the field like clockwork

 

so it should be really worse for point diff, if that really matters

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On a scale of 1 to 10.   -2

[row_33]

9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

On a scale of 1 to 10.   -2

 

-3 trillion in metaphysical certitude

 

[Coach Tuesday]

On pace for the worst ever.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, row_33 said:

 

-3 trillion in metaphysical certitude

 

   

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

   

 

Issue #4...

 

 

[dave mcbride]

25 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

On pace for the worst ever.

The Bills' collective passer rating is 52.8 and opponents' collective qb rating is 93.7. The -40.9 differential is ... unbelievable. Passer rating differential is the single-best predictor of wins and losses in the NFL.

Edited October 30, 2018 by dave mcbride

[dollars 2 donuts]

31 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

On pace for the worst ever.

 

 

Here is the thing, Coach, here is the honest to God thing:  It is one thing to say that "it is going to get a little worse before it gets better" along with "we'll take our lumps on offense this year" and another to say that not only have you falling to essentially dead last in offense this year, but you are maybe the worst offense of modern times.

 

...how in the hell does The Process let that happen?!

Edited October 30, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

[jrober38]

8 hours ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said:

It looks like the 2000 Browns scored 161 points that season. That’s the worst output for a season going back 20 years. We’re on pace for 174, but given the trend it’s hard to say we won’t have a solid crack at <160

 

This is nuts when you consider how different the rules were then.

 

In context, the median scoring offense in 2000 scored 20.15 PPG. This year the median output is 24.45 PPG, which is 21.3% more points.

 

Assuming every team scored fewer points then than they did now, the Bills seem to be far and away the worst offense in the NFL over the past 20 years. 

[JinxedBill1]

How does Daboll still have a job???  It's his job to put points on the board with the players we have.  It's his scheme that made Peterman look great in PS then crapola in season.  It's his unique wildcat that got stuffed again and again to put us behind the sticks.

 

At some point the manager has to be held accountable for the employees.  I'm not a fan of his and I hope this is solely talent around him.  His track record certainly does bode well.

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, JinxedBill1 said:

How does Daboll still have a job???  It's his job to put points on the board with the players we have.  It's his scheme that made Peterman look great in PS then crapola in season.  It's his unique wildcat that got stuffed again and again to put us behind the sticks.

 

At some point the manager has to be held accountable for the employees.  I'm not a fan of his and I hope this is solely talent around him.  His track record certainly does bode well.

 

How does McDermott still have a job?

 

He and Beane were the ones who assembled this personnel. 

[oldmanfan]

The offense is bad.  Absolutely.  It hurt when they lost two interior linemen in the offseason.  It hurts that Benjamin is not stepping up. It looks like Shady may be starting to feel his age.  And it hurt that our young QB got hurt.  All those add together to make things look bad. 

 

Now, what would the fixes have been?  Let's talk O line first.  Quality O linemen are at an extreme premium across the league right now.  They thought Groy would be a capable C, and they got what might have been the only other available decent guy at the position in Bodine.  Drafted Teller and picked up Boettiger for the interior, but they're apparently not ready yet, although I would like to see them in there.  So O line I'm not sure there was much else to do, maybe draft a guy in round 3 vs. Phillips, but Phillips is a solid addition to the D line.

 

WRs?  Benjamin is half assing it, and they should trade him today in my opinion.  Jones is coming on.  They should have kept Kerley I think.  And they should have maybe kept Reilly, although no one else apparently thinks he's worth much.  Again, there are a bunch of guys who are guys out there. You can change the deck chairs on the Titanic, like bringing in Pryor, but it's still the Titanic.

 

QB.  They were not going to be in the market ever for guys like Keenum because they were not going to lock up a ton of cap space when they knew they were drafting their guy.  I have said over and over they expected, as did I. that McCarron should have been their guy but he didn't perform. And at that point in time, they should have gotten a guy like Anderson in, or traded for a guy like say Bridgewater, although he was already gone by then.  Arguments can be made for and against starting Allen early, and his injury?  Injuries happen.  If he's not hurt then I don't know if our record is any different, but he's getting experience.  And I am quite sure that no matter who they brought in as a vet QB, and presuming he plays while Allen sits, that their record is any different than it is now.

 

McDermott and Beane have been as clear as they can be.  They consider it a rebuild, and they have a ton of cap space and picks next year.  Believe me, if they don't use the bulk of that ammunition to improve the offense I'll be screaming as loud as anyone.  And if I'm Terry I'd lose my mind.  But as for this season, I'm just not sure there was a lot they could have done to improve things all tat much. 

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]