This picture is epic

[Buffalo03]

[PearlHowardman]

The Bottom Line:  The Buffalo Bills owners Terry and Kim Pegula hired Head Coach Sean McDermott.  It's not McDermott - he's not the problem.  It's the hopelessly incompetent Pegulas.  They are the problem.

 

[vorpma]

Just now, PearlHowardman said:

The Bottom Line:  The Buffalo Bills owners Terry and Kim Pegula hired Head Coach Sean McDermott.  It's not McDermott - he's not the problem.  It's the hopelessly incompetent Pegulas.  They are the problem.

 

Maybe we just have an ignorant, impatient fan base; maybe that is the problem! 

[row_33]

16 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Maybe we just have an ignorant, impatient fan base; maybe that is the problem! 

 

still waiting since Jim Kelly was finished....

 

that is patience beyond endurance for almost every other pro and amateur franchise

 

[BuffaloBillies]

Elmo would be fun to hang with coked-up all night.

[4_kidd_4]

We still doin “epic”?

[Bangarang]

15 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Maybe we just have an ignorant, impatient fan base; maybe that is the problem! 

 

You’re calling the fans who endured a 17 year playoff drought and have been waiting 2 decades for a good QB impatient? Interesting.

[nucci]

No, it's not

[MAJBobby]

20 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Maybe we just have an ignorant, impatient fan base; maybe that is the problem! 

 

Yes the Blame the Fan post. These are always fun

[hondo in seattle]

Good QBs are hard to find.  There are maybe 10 or so in the entire world.  

 

Our problem is that we haven't found one yet.  You could argue that in the entire 50+ year history of the Buffalo Bills, we've only had one truly good QB.

 

Beane's only had a year so far to find one.  Maybe we should give him more time.

And the photo, while amusing, proposes a false choice.  McD isn't choosing Peterman over a competent QB.  So far, he's been choosing Allen (not yet a competent QB) over Peterman.  

 

In the army we have an expression: "developing the situation."  Instead of following a rigid plan, when the realities are fluid, a leader is expected to 'develop the situation' as circumstances change.  Peterman is proving that his good showing in preseason wasn't predictive.  Allen is looking like a raw rookie.  Similarly, there's been some disappointments at other positions - but some good news too on defense. 

 

With $80 mil or so in cap money next year, let's see if Beane and McD can effectively develop the situation.    

Edited October 16, 2018 by hondo in seattle

[row_33]

15 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

Good QBs are hard to find.  There are maybe 10 or so in the entire world.  

 

Our problem is that we haven't found one yet.  You could argue that in the entire 50+ year history of the Buffalo Bills, we've only had one truly good QB.

 

Beane's only had a year so far to find one.  Maybe we should give him more time.

And the photo, while amusing, proposes a false choice.  McD isn't choosing Peterman over a competent QB.  So far, he's been choosing Allen (not yet a competent QB) over Peterman.  

 

In the army we have an expression: "developing the situation."  Instead of following a rigid plan, when the realities are fluid, a leader is expected to 'develop the situation' as circumstances change.  Peterman is proving that his good showing in preseason wasn't predictive.  Allen is looking like a raw rookie.  Similarly, there's been some disappointments at other positions - but some good news too on defense. 

 

With $80 mil or so in cap money next year, let's see if Beane and McD can effectively develop the situation.    

 

half the NFL every year has at worst a good franchise QB.

 

 

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

Good QBs are hard to find.  There are maybe 10 or so in the entire world.  

 

Our problem is that we haven't found one yet.  You could argue that in the entire 50+ year history of the Buffalo Bills, we've only had one truly good QB.

 

Beane's only had a year so far to find one.  Maybe we should give him more time.

And the photo, while amusing, proposes a false choice.  McD isn't choosing Peterman over a competent QB.  So far, he's been choosing Allen (not yet a competent QB) over Peterman.  

 

In the army we have an expression: "developing the situation."  Instead of following a rigid plan, when the realities are fluid, a leader is expected to 'develop the situation' as circumstances change.  Peterman is proving that his good showing in preseason wasn't predictive.  Allen is looking like a raw rookie.  Similarly, there's been some disappointments at other positions - but some good news too on defense. 

 

With $80 mil or so in cap money next year, let's see if Beane and McD can effectively develop the situation.    

 

They did develop the situation with the QBs. That is the reality. The love of Peterman had them pass on better QBs in UFA. Selecting McCarron. Then again the Peterman Love comes again trading McCarron. Then the Love again not signing another QB until mid October. 

 

They FULLY developed their situation 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

epic? no

 

in poor taste, definitely.

 

 

 

 

[BillnutinHouston]

22 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

We still doin “epic”?

 

I'm 50, so still catching up to "epic".

[jtothebrown]

35 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Maybe we just have an ignorant, impatient fan base; maybe that is the problem! 

You probably dont really even go to the games. Its ppl like you that are tge problem with this team!

 

Im willing to bet you are one of those ppl that root for like 3 other teams, probably within our division.

[vorpma]

31 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

still waiting since Jim Kelly was finished....

 

that is patience beyond endurance for almost every other pro and amateur franchise

 

No argument, but the Pegulas inherited a failed organization with a losing culture and it's going to take time!

3 minutes ago, jtothebrown said:

You probably dont really even go to the games. Its ppl like you that are tge problem with this team!

 

Im willing to bet you are one of those ppl that root for like 3 other teams, probably within our division.

Hey Einstein, I was sitting in War Memorial Stadium in 1966, my father in 1960; I attended the 1966 AFL playoff game and lived through 1968, 1971, 1976, 1977, 1984; you cannot even begin to imagine bad! So grow up junior!

[K-9]

22 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

You’re calling the fans who endured a 17 year playoff drought and have been waiting 2 decades for a good QB impatient? Interesting.

I get what you’re saying, but the Pegulas and current football administration had nothing to do with the vast majority of those two decades. We as fans can make the link, but that’s where it ends. It’s only been four plus years under the Pegulas, one of which ended in the playoffs. 

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

[row_33]

11 minutes ago, vorpma said:

No argument, but the Pegulas inherited a failed organization with a losing culture and it's going to take time!

 

 

i can go another 25 years standing on my head waiting...

 

I have the Kelly Years to revisit when I want to.

 

 

[vorpma]

22 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Yes the Blame the Fan post. These are always fun

Yup, you can't fix stupid!

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

funny, okay. I just don't see coke as a manner of humor?

 

there are many other ways to show McDs incompetence when it comes to QBs, cocaine is not one of them in my opinion.

[Kelly the Dog]

11 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

half the NFL every year has at worst a good franchise QB.

 

 

No they don't. At all. They may have a guy who arguably played like a franchise QB in two of his seven seasons though. Which is hardly the same.

[vorpma]

Just now, row_33 said:

 

i can go another 25 years standing on my head waiting...

 

I have the Kelly Years to revisit when I want to.

 

 

I have the Kelly years and what is referred to as the "glory years," 1965 and 1966. Try to understand you cannot recover from 16 years of mismanagement in the NFL overnight!

[BillsFanForever19]

46 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Maybe we just have an ignorant, impatient fan base; maybe that is the problem! 

 

Impatience has nothing to do with the Peterman situation. We all (at least, should have) signed up for a tough rebuilding year while we get our Rookie QB experience. But we did NOT sign up for Parts 2, 3, and possibly (MADDENINGLY) 4 of the Nate Peterman tragedy. 

 

And when a simpleton can see mistakes consistetly happen that could be avoided - the coach deserves what you're seeing. Plain and simple.

 

I'm so tired of seeing fans calling other fans less than because they don't shovel sh-t in their mouth with a smile. Things were expected to be bad. But he's made them worse than they need to be.

 

Fans have more than the right to gripe about failures. Especially when it comes to Peterman.

Edited October 16, 2018 by BillsFanForever19

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I get what you’re saying, but the Pegulas and current football administration had nothing to do with the vast majority of those two decades. We as fans can make the link, but that’s where it ends. It’s only been four plus years under the Pegulas, one of which ended in the playoffs. 

 

You mean which ended in a playoff loss if first round with yet another inept offense 

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

I get what you’re saying, but the Pegulas and current football administration had nothing to do with the vast majority of those two decades. We as fans can make the link, but that’s where it ends. It’s only been four plus years under the Pegulas, one of which ended in the playoffs. 

 

What do the Pegulas have to do with our level of patience as a fan base?

 

Point being is that fans have endured years and years of struggle. We are tired of always being told the same thing over and over and witnessing the same putrid to mediocre results. 

 

Saying Bills fans are impatient because they are frustrated and want to see positive results is silly. We got a taste of what it felt like to be relevant last year so it’s reasonable to be annoyed when it looks like we are taking two big steps back the next year.

[Wo-Bah]

37 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said:

Elmo would be fun to hang with coked-up all night.

 

As long as he doesn't try to tickle me....

[apuszczalowski]

6 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

half the NFL every year has at worst a good franchise QB.

 

 

The issue is how people define "good". There are alot of "good/competent" QBs in the league, but those guys arent "good enough" for most who expect great/elite play from their QB. They expect Brady/Rodgers/Brees/Peyton. Those guys are hard to find/obtain. They usually consider guys that are "good/good enough" not good enough because they want the elite. Eli/Dalton/Flacco/Ryan/Cousins/Smith/Stafford/Newton are all in the Good category that many here have said at some point they wouldn't want because they arent in the elite category.

 

That's leaving out guys from the draft in the last 3-4 years because no one really sure what they have in those guys yet. Usually those guys have people furious the Bill's didnt get them because of a few great games before they come crashing down to earth and maybe end up in the good/ok category.

[K-9]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

You mean which ended in a playoff loss if first round with yet another inept offense 

No, that’s not even remotely what I mean. I was referring to the nearly two decades of playoff futility that alluded to by the poster I was responding to. 

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

Ummm... that wasn't real coke.

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

What do the Pegulas have to do with our level of patience as a fan base?

 

Point being is that fans have endured years and years of struggle. We are tired of always being told the same thing over and over and witnessing the same putrid to mediocre results. 

 

Saying Bills fans are impatient because they are frustrated and want to see positive results is silly. We got a taste of what it felt like to be relevant last year so it’s reasonable to be annoyed when it looks like we are taking two big steps back the next year.

Many fans lump the Pegulas and current administration in with the nearly two decades of futility you mentioned. I was just offering clarification for those fans. I’m not arguing your larger point.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

No, that’s not even remotely what I mean. I was referring to the nearly two decades of playoff futility that alluded to by the poster I was responding to. 

 

 

 

And that ended last year? Because we backed in on a miracle play from another team. It was about time law of math worked out

[BillsInWilmingtonNC]

37 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

You’re calling the fans who endured a 17 year playoff drought and have been waiting 2 decades for a good QB impatient? Interesting.

Not sure but I think he is talking about the fans that watched the Bills make the playoffs last year and are now calling for the firing of their coach 6 games into the season

[vorpma]

11 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Impatience has nothing to do with the Peterman situation. We all (at least, should have) signed up for a tough rebuilding year while we get our Rookie QB experience. But we did NOT sign up for Parts 2, 3, and possibly (MADDENINGLY) 4 of the Nate Peterman tragedy. 

 

And when a simpleton can see mistakes consistetly happen that could be avoided - the coach deserves what you're seeing. Plain and simple.

 

I'm so tired of seeing fans calling other fans less than because they don't shovel sh-t in their mouth with a smile. Things were expected to be bad. But he's made them worse than they need to be.

 

Fans have more than the right to gripe about failures. Especially when it comes to Peterman.

You are a very misguided person; try to understand football is entertainment!

[K-9]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

And that ended last year? Because we backed in on a miracle play from another team. It was about time law of math worked out

You’re arguing with yourself on a point you needed to stretch in order to do so. Enjoy.

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Many fans lump the Pegulas and current administration in with the nearly two decades of futility you mentioned. I was just offering clarification for those fans. I’m not arguing your larger point.

 

The Pegulas are certainly part of the 2 decades of futility. 

[PIZ]

I wish Peterman was cut, BUT the OC needs to give the poor guy plays he can succeed in.  As soon as he looked left, I knew it was a pick.  Use the middle of the field and select plays he can make with his abilities.  Look at CJ Beathard's game against the Packers.  Use that as a guide.  Beathard has similar traits as Peterman.....from the draft analysis:

 

 CJ Beathard:

 

Bio: 

Two-year starter who earned Second Team All-Big Ten honors as a junior, throwing for 2,809 yards and 17 touchdowns with five interceptions. Threw for 1,929 yards and 17 touchdowns as a senior with 10 interceptions.

 

Pos: 

Intelligent game manager with minimal upside for the next level. Patient in the pocket, effectively sells ball fakes and does a terrific job setting up screen throws. Displays a sense of timing on passes, relatively accurate and does not make receivers work for the reception. Shows vision and overall awareness. Buys time for receivers, does not make poor decisions and is relatively accurate throwing on the move. Puts touch on throws when necessary and throws a catchable pass. Remains poised under the rush and does not get rattled. Takes the safe underneath outlet if nothing else is available.

 

Neg: 

Lacks size and struggles withstanding the rush. Does not possess the bigtime arm, cannot drive passes downfield or put speed on the outs. The further downfield and out to the flanks he tosses the ball, the less accurate he is.

 

Analysis: 

Beathard is a solid dink-and-dunk/timing passer with a terrific understanding of the position. He’s only fit for certain systems but is worth having on the sideline as another pair of eyes.

 

 

[apuszczalowski]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

What do the Pegulas have to do with our level of patience as a fan base?

 

Point being is that fans have endured years and years of struggle. We are tired of always being told the same thing over and over and witnessing the same putrid to mediocre results. 

 

Saying Bills fans are impatient because they are frustrated and want to see positive results is silly. We got a taste of what it felt like to be relevant last year so it’s reasonable to be annoyed when it looks like we are taking two big steps back the next year.

The only thing you might be able to blame the Pegulas for is selecting the guys running their team and maybe not finding anyone better. They also appear to select them and let them do what they say they need to do, to build their team. They dont seem to like stepping in and saying no, they dont want to wait 3-5 years to see results.

 

Other teams have seen turnarounds much quicker then what Bill's fans keep getting told or believe it should take to turn things around. We are always told or believe everything has to be blown up or completely torn down. They can never find anyone who can build off of what's already here, they always have to change things to suit what they want which most of the time includes a wholesale change of schemes and personel. Fans also want dominance and lasting success, they expect that a rebuild will net them a dynasty if only they blow everything up and start over cause a few years of success wont cut it, even though its much easier to build off of a base that may have been kind of successful for a few years then one that's torn down to nothing.

 

Pro sports are a business, and fans will say they want a total teardown and "tanking", but very few of those people are the ones who truly support the team financially. They arent usually the season ticket holders who attend all the games or buy suites. They maybe attend a game or 2 and watch from their TV, maybe buying a Jersey (usually from somewhere other then the team store or retail market and not from a potential "black market" online).

 

If you continue to regress, even during a rebuild, in most cases you wont make it to see through to the end cause franchises cant afford to dsuck for multiple years just to slowly build and tank for picks. To be successful in a rebuild you have to keep trying to be competitive while you build on what you have. Taking a huge step back like the Bill's did this year from last is not going to go over well because  they had success last year and should be building off of it rather then trying to tear it down more.

[K-9]

4 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

The Pegulas are certainly part of the 2 decades of futility. 

Yeah, 20% of it.

 

But I could have sworn that one fourth of their 20% resulted in ending the playoff drought. 

[sleeby]

To those of you needing a tissue and a shoulder for your years of pain since Kelly I hope you're rooting for the brewers over the filthy rich dodgers this week.  If ever buffalo had a twin city it would be Milwaukee.