Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread

[3rdnlng]

6 hours ago, RealKayAdams said:

 

I personally know multiple Bernie supporters who will be voting for Trump in November. They seem to be motivated as much by dispassionate strategy as they are by anger toward the DNC. A sound Trump victory over Biden is supposed to be the second best outcome for progressives (aside from the obvious of Bernie beating both Biden and Trump) to try and take over a then weakened and humiliated Democratic Party. The pandemic fallout is also supposed to make the need for progressive policies like universal health care, student debt relief, and minimum wage hikes that much more obvious to the otherwise low-information, "orange man bad," Biden-voting Dem.

 

I won't bother explaining their reasoning any further because I think it's foolish. The Democratic Party has proven to be corrupt to its ossified neoliberal core and beyond any internal reform. The latest example among many is the complete bipartisan support of the disgusting coronavirus bailout bill that was just passed. Even all of our so-called progressive Democrat heroes like Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, Tulsi Gabbard, and The Squad could barely muster effective collective pushback beyond a few lame speeches. Feckless at best, complicit charlatans at worst. This was the most galling example of crony capitalism in American history with virtually no enforced oversight of the gigantic bailout money about to be siphoned off to large company CEO's over the next several years. This is worse than anything we saw in late 2008-early 2009. And then the hoi polloi were allotted $1200 checks to keep quiet for the time being. Maybe...or maybe not?

 

My preferred strategy is to burn the Democratic Party down from the outside. Coordinate nation-wide worker strikes in the spring, organize grassroots protest movements in the summer, vote Green Party in the fall, and possibly organize a new People's Party beyond if the Green Party proves unwilling to try and actually win elections. Voting for a corrupt senile rapist war-mongering neoliberal low-key racist like Biden is only enabling the establishment Dems. Voting for Trump is only enabling a 40-year tradition of a failed Reaganomics libertarian economic philosophy that has hollowed out the middle and working classes, to the point that half of this entire country doesn't have enough savings to survive more than a month of a pandemic quarantine. Voting for the Green Party is at least a genuine vote for progressivism and can help them reach the critical 5% general election benchmark.

 

I think I've now said all that I needed to say here in the "Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread." I don't care anymore what happens to this disgusting political party. I'll give the Republicans credit in that at least they are honest and upfront about who they are and what they believe. The Democrats no longer represent the working class and probably never will again. So I don't have a strong opinion on the Andrew Cuomo emergency option that has been bandied around the internet. But my advice to the Democrats is to go ahead and make the switch at the convention if your only public policy is beating Trump, as has been made obvious since Super Tuesday. I think Cuomo could conceivably stoke the necessary voting enthusiasm in the general election to win. I've long doubted Biden's ability to seal the deal, and that latest enthusiasm poll only reinforces my doubts. Force Biden to step down in July for "health reasons" or due to the Tara Reade controversy. The optics of wasting everyone's time during the primaries to undemocratically select a candidate at the convention are...well...not good, but at this point the bar for DNC political integrity is so low that Cuomo can easily clear it in July.

 

Anyway, my political rant is over. Stay safe, everyone, and God bless all you health professionals! We will celebrate your heroism after all of this passes.

 

Joe Biden is all that, and on the same hand is not all that. He doesn't know what he stands for and his responses and pronouncements are of the rote kind. It's almost as if he's an early model of a robot that has a short in its circuit board. The saddest part of this whole nightmare is that the dems are so desperate to defeat Trump that they would prop up a senile candidate for the presidency. It's almost as if the whole dem party has lost its mind. Most of Trump's policies are basically what the dems policies were less than 2 decades ago but the dems are so wrapped up in who gets credit that they have become even more irrational than they've been in the past. Just off the top of my head, Nancy Pelosi has interfered in the USMCA deal, China trade deal and the most recent Coronavirus deal. She now claims all of them as her "babies". I'm not so sure if she wants to try to hurt Trump or prop up herself more. 

 

Stay safe yourself.

[Deranged Rhino]

Oops. The internet is forever... things No Chance Joe's team doesn't understand. 

 

 

[/dev/null]

8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Oops. The internet is forever... things No Chance Joe's team doesn't understand. 

 

 

 

Just a hunch, but this story might originate from a wing of the DNC trying to slow walk their excuse to deny Biden the nomination

[3rdnlng]

2 hours ago, /dev/null said:

 

Just a hunch, but this story might originate from a wing of the DNC trying to slow walk their excuse to deny Biden the nomination

Who's their replacement, Barney Fife? 

[Doc Brown]

11 hours ago, RealKayAdams said:

 

I personally know multiple Bernie supporters who will be voting for Trump in November. They seem to be motivated as much by dispassionate strategy as they are by anger toward the DNC. A sound Trump victory over Biden is supposed to be the second best outcome for progressives (aside from the obvious of Bernie beating both Biden and Trump) to try and take over a then weakened and humiliated Democratic Party. The pandemic fallout is also supposed to make the need for progressive policies like universal health care, student debt relief, and minimum wage hikes that much more obvious to the otherwise low-information, "orange man bad," Biden-voting Dem.

 

I won't bother explaining their reasoning any further because I think it's foolish. The Democratic Party has proven to be corrupt to its ossified neoliberal core and beyond any internal reform. The latest example among many is the complete bipartisan support of the disgusting coronavirus bailout bill that was just passed. Even all of our so-called progressive Democrat heroes like Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, Tulsi Gabbard, and The Squad could barely muster effective collective pushback beyond a few lame speeches. Feckless at best, complicit charlatans at worst. This was the most galling example of crony capitalism in American history with virtually no enforced oversight of the gigantic bailout money about to be siphoned off to large company CEO's over the next several years. This is worse than anything we saw in late 2008-early 2009. And then the hoi polloi were allotted $1200 checks to keep quiet for the time being. Maybe...or maybe not?

 

My preferred strategy is to burn the Democratic Party down from the outside. Coordinate nation-wide worker strikes in the spring, organize grassroots protest movements in the summer, vote Green Party in the fall, and possibly organize a new People's Party beyond if the Green Party proves unwilling to try and actually win elections. Voting for a corrupt senile rapist war-mongering neoliberal low-key racist like Biden is only enabling the establishment Dems. Voting for Trump is only enabling a 40-year tradition of a failed Reaganomics libertarian economic philosophy that has hollowed out the middle and working classes, to the point that half of this entire country doesn't have enough savings to survive more than a month of a pandemic quarantine. Voting for the Green Party is at least a genuine vote for progressivism and can help them reach the critical 5% general election benchmark.

 

I think I've now said all that I needed to say here in the "Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread." I don't care anymore what happens to this disgusting political party. I'll give the Republicans credit in that at least they are honest and upfront about who they are and what they believe. The Democrats no longer represent the working class and probably never will again. So I don't have a strong opinion on the Andrew Cuomo emergency option that has been bandied around the internet. But my advice to the Democrats is to go ahead and make the switch at the convention if your only public policy is beating Trump, as has been made obvious since Super Tuesday. I think Cuomo could conceivably stoke the necessary voting enthusiasm in the general election to win. I've long doubted Biden's ability to seal the deal, and that latest enthusiasm poll only reinforces my doubts. Force Biden to step down in July for "health reasons" or due to the Tara Reade controversy. The optics of wasting everyone's time during the primaries to undemocratically select a candidate at the convention are...well...not good, but at this point the bar for DNC political integrity is so low that Cuomo can easily clear it in July.

 

Anyway, my political rant is over. Stay safe, everyone, and God bless all you health professionals! We will celebrate your heroism after all of this passes.

 

It's posts like these that make me think abandoning the two party system is a good idea.  Start a socialist party if you think your ideas are so popular then they should have no trouble winning.  You wouldn't have fringe politicians like Bernie Sanders and his "movement" pushing the party too far left forcing traditionally moderate candidates like Biden to capitulate to some of their demands.  At least then you can proudly reject capitalism and look at billionaires as the true enemies. 

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

It's posts like these that make me think abandoning the two party system is a good idea.  Start a socialist party if you think your ideas are so popular then they should have no trouble winning.  You wouldn't have fringe politicians like Bernie Sanders and his "movement" pushing the party too far left forcing traditionally moderate candidates like Biden to capitulate to some of their demands.  At least then you can proudly reject capitalism and look at billionaires as the true enemies. 

Having more than two parties creates strange bedfellows. Unless one party receives the majority of the votes they have to combine with one of the other parties and compromise their ideals. Multiple parties create nothing but stagnation and strips Leaders of their leadership. 

[ALF]

4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Having more than two parties creates strange bedfellows. Unless one party receives the majority of the votes they have to combine with one of the other parties and compromise their ideals. Multiple parties create nothing but stagnation and strips Leaders of their leadership. 

 

Like Israel and UK  , might be interesting to have to  compromise 

[3rdnlng]

3 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Like Israel and UK  , might be interesting to have to  compromise 

While compromise is sometimes necessary and even sometimes good it more often than not muddies the water and has the government being led by the whims of the legislature. 

[Doc Brown]

27 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Having more than two parties creates strange bedfellows. Unless one party receives the majority of the votes they have to combine with one of the other parties and compromise their ideals. Multiple parties create nothing but stagnation and strips Leaders of their leadership. 

I agree with you on that point and I always favored a two party system because when one side becomes radicalized in terms of thought the voters will favor the other side forcing one side to reevaluate their position.  Thus, it creates a system that keeps things between the 35 yard line using a football analogy.  However, a recent problem with only having two parties is the increasing bitter partisanship where  a lack of compromise with the other side is rewarded is leading to nearly complete gridlock in Congress.  The elimination of the filibuster for judges, an increased call to eliminate the filibuster for major legislation, and talks of packing the Supreme Court is all a result of the frustration of this gridlock.  It also puts enormous pressure on whoever the president is to try and expand his/her powers because they don't want to be remembered in history as a do nothing president.  Just looking at countries with multiple parties, the majority party is usually forced to work with minority parties just to be able to run the country.  Just passing a bipartisan economic relief package to help us through a global pandemic was like pulling teeth. 

 

There's also the long term survival of the country to consider as we've become bitterly socially divided into two teams both thinking they're the "real America."  The left increasingly sees itself as representing and celebrating the multicultural values located mostly in coastal cities and the right increasingly sees itself as representing the Christian values located in the more desolate countryside (middle America).  Those that don't see them in either of those two camps are kind of lost and forced to join one of those teams every November.  Conservative democrats and liberal Republican politicians are now on the endangered species list.  The social issue of abortion is pry the best example as it's extremely rare to win a primary being a pro choice Republican or a pro life Democrat.  I just don't think we can continue to survive as a country this way.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

14 hours ago, RealKayAdams said:

 

I personally know multiple Bernie supporters who will be voting for Trump in November. They seem to be motivated as much by dispassionate strategy as they are by anger toward the DNC. A sound Trump victory over Biden is supposed to be the second best outcome for progressives (aside from the obvious of Bernie beating both Biden and Trump) to try and take over a then weakened and humiliated Democratic Party. The pandemic fallout is also supposed to make the need for progressive policies like universal health care, student debt relief, and minimum wage hikes that much more obvious to the otherwise low-information, "orange man bad," Biden-voting Dem.

 

I won't bother explaining their reasoning any further because I think it's foolish. The Democratic Party has proven to be corrupt to its ossified neoliberal core and beyond any internal reform. The latest example among many is the complete bipartisan support of the disgusting coronavirus bailout bill that was just passed. Even all of our so-called progressive Democrat heroes like Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, Tulsi Gabbard, and The Squad could barely muster effective collective pushback beyond a few lame speeches. Feckless at best, complicit charlatans at worst. This was the most galling example of crony capitalism in American history with virtually no enforced oversight of the gigantic bailout money about to be siphoned off to large company CEO's over the next several years. This is worse than anything we saw in late 2008-early 2009. And then the hoi polloi were allotted $1200 checks to keep quiet for the time being. Maybe...or maybe not?

 

My preferred strategy is to burn the Democratic Party down from the outside. Coordinate nation-wide worker strikes in the spring, organize grassroots protest movements in the summer, vote Green Party in the fall, and possibly organize a new People's Party beyond if the Green Party proves unwilling to try and actually win elections. Voting for a corrupt senile rapist war-mongering neoliberal low-key racist like Biden is only enabling the establishment Dems. Voting for Trump is only enabling a 40-year tradition of a failed Reaganomics libertarian economic philosophy that has hollowed out the middle and working classes, to the point that half of this entire country doesn't have enough savings to survive more than a month of a pandemic quarantine. Voting for the Green Party is at least a genuine vote for progressivism and can help them reach the critical 5% general election benchmark.

 

I think I've now said all that I needed to say here in the "Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread." I don't care anymore what happens to this disgusting political party. I'll give the Republicans credit in that at least they are honest and upfront about who they are and what they believe. The Democrats no longer represent the working class and probably never will again. So I don't have a strong opinion on the Andrew Cuomo emergency option that has been bandied around the internet. But my advice to the Democrats is to go ahead and make the switch at the convention if your only public policy is beating Trump, as has been made obvious since Super Tuesday. I think Cuomo could conceivably stoke the necessary voting enthusiasm in the general election to win. I've long doubted Biden's ability to seal the deal, and that latest enthusiasm poll only reinforces my doubts. Force Biden to step down in July for "health reasons" or due to the Tara Reade controversy. The optics of wasting everyone's time during the primaries to undemocratically select a candidate at the convention are...well...not good, but at this point the bar for DNC political integrity is so low that Cuomo can easily clear it in July.

 

Anyway, my political rant is over. Stay safe, everyone, and God bless all you health professionals! We will celebrate your heroism after all of this passes.

 

 

This is weird. We actually agree on something. The uniparty establishment has failed. Much of this post sounds eerily similar to how I've felt about the Republican establishment for the better part of 2 decades 

 

I too believe the establishment needs burning down, through force if necessary. Of course our end games are different, but it's refreshing to see an honest leftist for a change.

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I agree with you on that point and I always favored a two party system because when one side becomes radicalized in terms of thought the voters will favor the other side forcing one side to reevaluate their position.  Thus, it creates a system that keeps things between the 35 yard line using a football analogy.  However, a recent problem with only having two parties is the increasing bitter partisanship where  a lack of compromise with the other side is rewarded is leading to nearly complete gridlock in Congress.  The elimination of the filibuster for judges, an increased call to eliminate the filibuster for major legislation, and talks of packing the Supreme Court is all a result of the frustration of this gridlock.  It also puts enormous pressure on whoever the president is to try and expand his/her powers because they don't want to be remembered in history as a do nothing president.  Just looking at countries with multiple parties, the majority party is usually forced to work with minority parties just to be able to run the country.  Just passing a bipartisan economic relief package to help us through a global pandemic was like pulling teeth. 

 

There's also the long term survival of the country to consider as we've become bitterly socially divided into two teams both thinking they're the "real America."  The left increasingly sees itself as representing and celebrating the multicultural values located mostly in coastal cities and the right increasingly sees itself as representing the Christian values located in the more desolate countryside (middle America).  Those that don't see them in either of those two camps are kind of lost and forced to join one of those teams every November.  Conservative democrats and liberal Republican politicians are now on the endangered species list.  The social issue of abortion is pry the best example as it's extremely rare to win a primary being a pro choice Republican or a pro life Democrat.  I just don't think we can continue to survive as a country this way.

Trump has not tried to expand his powers. He's tried to do everything within the Constitution. The Left has fought everything he's tried to do that he was elected to do. He's found a constitutional way around their stonewalling. 

 

The economic relief package was actually negotiated and put together in a bipartisan way------------------------------until Nancy Pelosi showed up with a bill that was twice the size and had all kind of unacceptable provisions. The democrat leadership is batschitt partisan and is to blame for the hold up in that bill.

 

Desolate countryside? This is what you're calling the land between the two coasts? You're nuts.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Trump has not tried to expand his powers. He's tried to do everything within the Constitution. The Left has fought everything he's tried to do that he was elected to do. He's found a constitutional way around their stonewalling. 

 

The economic relief package was actually negotiated and put together in a bipartisan way------------------------------until Nancy Pelosi showed up with a bill that was twice the size and had all kind of unacceptable provisions. The democrat leadership is batschitt partisan and is to blame for the hold up in that bill.

 

Desolate countryside? This is what you're calling the land between the two coasts? You're nuts.

 

 

I was giving two extreme examples and your response proves my point.

[Boatdrinks]

8 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Trump has not tried to expand his powers. He's tried to do everything within the Constitution. The Left has fought everything he's tried to do that he was elected to do. He's found a constitutional way around their stonewalling. 

 

The economic relief package was actually negotiated and put together in a bipartisan way------------------------------until Nancy Pelosi showed up with a bill that was twice the size and had all kind of unacceptable provisions. The democrat leadership is batschitt partisan and is to blame for the hold up in that bill.

 

Desolate countryside? This is what you're calling the land between the two coasts? You're nuts.

 

 

Agree. And also on the retort to desolate. The middle of America is less populated for sure, but full of resplendent beauty and the absence of throngs  can provide a wonderful solace. Nothing dismal about it. Desolate is way off base for sure. 

[3rdnlng]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Agree. And also on the retort to desolate. The middle of America is less populated for sure, but full of resplendent beauty and the absence of throngs  can provide a wonderful solace. Nothing dismal about it. Desolate is way off base for sure. 

I first read that as "thongs" and became sad. 

[1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan]

Cuomo is one step away from prison as the top 2 legisislators are already doing years & years for taking bribes for bills signed by Cuomo....I thought he would replace BILLARY 2016 for her bad cardiology report leaked for sympathy diversion from all her Foundation and email felonies.... but then the Senator & Alderman were jailed 2017 after a 3 year investigation @B-Man why post this fantasy?  My hope is fellow New Yorker WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US will beat both TrumpOLINI & BidenS in debates like he beat Cuomo & 3 others in debates 2014 New York Public TV

[1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan]

@RealKayAdams WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US is a winner on pace to qualify for Presidential Matching Funds in all 50 states....that should be the only requirement for participating in Presidential Debate COMMISSION charade .....donate now to Howie from your state and the limit is 250 dollars to be doubled.....Ralph Nader in 96 did not seem committed to winning as you describe a loser Green and maybe Cynthia McKinney gave up fresh from being arrested in Congress.....but Cobb Nader & Stein fought hard since 2000 against a treasonous duopoly blueREDS redBLUES bush Crime families clintonistas & ObushaObombney

[ComradeKayAdams]

14 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Sure, but don't you think that "establishment dems" already pander in a huge way to so called "progressives?"  i can think of 2 quick examples:

1) Perverted Uncle Joe announced that he will definitely choose a woman VP. Imo this is openly admitting that he will use sex as the determining factor rather than competence. I am all for a female president. A competent one.

2) Cuomo is emptying prisons, and was doing so before covid19. He also lit up the Empire State Building with pink lights (at taxpayer's expense) to celebrate late term abortions. He long ago declared NY a sanctuary state, to include not cooperating with ICE, free medical care, free education and even free college (while our children pay). Is this not pandering enough? 

 

Hey, I agree with you that every dem candidate in the primary was either a thief, hypocrite, psychotic, or more than one of these. My question is, how much more radical would you like them to really be? Even Sanders has 3 houses and his wife has some serious allegations. Do you view him as legit?

 

BTW thanks for an interesting post.

 

Hi Bill,

 

I have some free time tonight, so I will try to answer all your questions.

 

I think the establishment Dems pander to progressives only in a very selective way. When it comes to most issues of civil liberties, I think they do a good job of giving us what we want and going to battle for us in promoting these positions. However, curiously enough when it comes to issues like social welfare programs or Wall Street regulations or progressive tax codes at the very high limit or the military-industrial complex or foreign policy or the environment, I don’t think they come even close to compromising with us. Keep in mind I am referring to how politicians actually vote and govern, not to what they say behind microphones. The reason for this discrepancy of support between issues? As you have probably figured out by now from my rants, my opinion is that it comes down solely to their corporate donors and how these politicians themselves benefit financially from these particular policy stances.

 

Maybe you know a lot more about Cuomo than I do right now? I kind of stopped following him so closely since his days battling Cynthia Nixon. If he’s been pivoting more toward true progressive ideas, that is news to me and might actually make him an even more salable alternative to Biden at the convention. He’s connected to the Kennedy dynasty, too, which gives him a lot of cachet with low information voters. Oh yeah, here’s a fun fact for y’all: his dad Mario (a Bills fan, BTW) was a big national name back in 1988 and was the leading candidate to replace Jessie Jackson at the national convention if Dukakis couldn’t finish off Jackson during the primaries. History possibly repeating itself, in a way???

 

I would have liked the Democratic Party to have moved away from Obama and Bill Clinton and gone back to their FDR and LBJ roots. This sounds too radical to many message board readers here, but it’s not seen as remotely radical to Millenials (my people!), Generation Z, and citizens of modern Western democratic countries. I’m also somewhat to the political right of your stereotypical Bernie supporter on a number of issues like PC culture, second amendment, late-term abortion, Russiagate, Ukrainegate, border control, and nuclear energy. I’m also to the extreme left of them on a select few issues like the drug war, animal rights, and many aspects of environmental protections. As you can see, choosing a political party to belong to isn’t as simple for me as it is for others. That’s also probably why it’s easier for me to quit the Dems than it is for other Bernie supporters.

 

Overall, I do still think of Bernie Sanders as an honest politician and a good person. I have no regrets volunteering for his campaign this past year. At the national level, I think history will view him more as an influential political iconoclast like Eugene Debs than just another presidential candidate has-been like George McGovern. I don’t think Bernie ever had the killer political instincts to defeat the party establishment and become president like Trump did. Bernie listened to a lot of bad advice from certain campaign insiders and did not do a good job of sifting through the typical ideological purity test nonsense that progressives tend to engage in so to unite the different factions of the movement. One example: I have insider knowledge that a certain high-up campaign manager personally dislikes Tulsi Gabbard and pressured Bernie to reject her endorsement because she is seen as too far-right for the movement…a bunch of high school mean girls nonsense that Bernie didn’t quell.

 

I hope any of this was remotely interesting to anyone? Yikes I type too much…

[ComradeKayAdams]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

It's posts like these that make me think abandoning the two party system is a good idea.  Start a socialist party if you think your ideas are so popular then they should have no trouble winning.  You wouldn't have fringe politicians like Bernie Sanders and his "movement" pushing the party too far left forcing traditionally moderate candidates like Biden to capitulate to some of their demands.  At least then you can proudly reject capitalism and look at billionaires as the true enemies. 

 

Ok, well thanks for the advice which I am taking up by defecting to the Green Party, but just so you know I don’t reject capitalism and I have a feeling that we don’t agree on the same definition of socialism here either. I like capitalism with a healthy social safety net and a few key regulatory limits on otherwise laissez faire business and bank interactions. I also don’t have a problem with the existence of billionaires. My problem with some of them is the way they use their wealth to corrupt government, the media, and the military for their own benefit while simultaneously exploiting the working and middle classes.

 

Don’t worry! Joe Biden won’t be capitulating in any meaningful way to progressives because he has said so very bluntly and repeatedly. Best of luck with the under-40, Latino, and white working class voting blocs. I can try and keep you updated on what percentage of the Bernie voting coalition I think will stick with Biden, based on my experiences and connections with the Sanders campaign. Right now I’d say a solid 80%, though that’s still double the attrition percentage from 2016. The coronavirus, however, presents such a huge unknown for society and for the economy that predictions at this moment in time seem pointless…

3 hours ago, 1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan said:

@RealKayAdams WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US is a winner on pace to qualify for Presidential Matching Funds in all 50 states....that should be the only requirement for participating in Presidential Debate COMMISSION charade .....donate now to Howie from your state and the limit is 250 dollars to be doubled.....Ralph Nader in 96 did not seem committed to winning as you describe a loser Green and maybe Cynthia McKinney gave up fresh from being arrested in Congress.....but Cobb Nader & Stein fought hard since 2000 against a treasonous duopoly blueREDS redBLUES bush Crime families clintonistas & ObushaObombney

 

You and me, 1915 Buffalo Bill Cody Fan! Howie’s campaign may be as unconventional as your use of punctuation, but together we can help him defeat Trump and Biden on November 3. Then we can celebrate with a big bowl of delicious TRUMPOLINI (I’m vegan, so no cheese please).

[Koko78]

The only way to get rid of the two-party system is to radically revamp our electoral process by going to some form of proportional representation.

 

That would be one gigantically entertaining cluster*****...

[1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan]

@Koko78 electing WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US peace through Green jobs is a televised debate and state ballot access issue..... the so called 2 party system is in reality a corporations conspiracy successfully keeping honest people out of daily news. .   The result is overwhelming numbers of incumbents are re-elected by keeping truth tellers censored.  Your parliamentary idea has been in place hundred years ago when Congressmembers were elected AT LARGE in a few states.....Wyoming I recall elected a woman to one of the available seats in Congress Jean Rankin ? The top vote getters won the seats state wide....not winner take all district by district.... Because she was one of dozens against war in Europe the stste legislature changed back to district elections where she lived was not the same as state wide vote totals......the other way to get parliamentary seating in Congress is to ratify the 1st Amendment in 27 more states 50 thousand persons per Congressional District....you have 12 BILL of RIGHTS not 10 or 11 as you are lied to in textbooks and fake news....send 6000+ honest people to Congress and let them outvote the 435 gangsters there now

[RochesterRob]

10 hours ago, RealKayAdams said:

 

Hi Bill,

 

I have some free time tonight, so I will try to answer all your questions.

 

I think the establishment Dems pander to progressives only in a very selective way. When it comes to most issues of civil liberties, I think they do a good job of giving us what we want and going to battle for us in promoting these positions. However, curiously enough when it comes to issues like social welfare programs or Wall Street regulations or progressive tax codes at the very high limit or the military-industrial complex or foreign policy or the environment, I don’t think they come even close to compromising with us. Keep in mind I am referring to how politicians actually vote and govern, not to what they say behind microphones. The reason for this discrepancy of support between issues? As you have probably figured out by now from my rants, my opinion is that it comes down solely to their corporate donors and how these politicians themselves benefit financially from these particular policy stances.

 

Maybe you know a lot more about Cuomo than I do right now? I kind of stopped following him so closely since his days battling Cynthia Nixon. If he’s been pivoting more toward true progressive ideas, that is news to me and might actually make him an even more salable alternative to Biden at the convention. He’s connected to the Kennedy dynasty, too, which gives him a lot of cachet with low information voters. Oh yeah, here’s a fun fact for y’all: his dad Mario (a Bills fan, BTW) was a big national name back in 1988 and was the leading candidate to replace Jessie Jackson at the national convention if Dukakis couldn’t finish off Jackson during the primaries. History possibly repeating itself, in a way???

 

I would have liked the Democratic Party to have moved away from Obama and Bill Clinton and gone back to their FDR and LBJ roots. This sounds too radical to many message board readers here, but it’s not seen as remotely radical to Millenials (my people!), Generation Z, and citizens of modern Western democratic countries. I’m also somewhat to the political right of your stereotypical Bernie supporter on a number of issues like PC culture, second amendment, late-term abortion, Russiagate, Ukrainegate, border control, and nuclear energy. I’m also to the extreme left of them on a select few issues like the drug war, animal rights, and many aspects of environmental protections. As you can see, choosing a political party to belong to isn’t as simple for me as it is for others. That’s also probably why it’s easier for me to quit the Dems than it is for other Bernie supporters.

 

Overall, I do still think of Bernie Sanders as an honest politician and a good person. I have no regrets volunteering for his campaign this past year. At the national level, I think history will view him more as an influential political iconoclast like Eugene Debs than just another presidential candidate has-been like George McGovern. I don’t think Bernie ever had the killer political instincts to defeat the party establishment and become president like Trump did. Bernie listened to a lot of bad advice from certain campaign insiders and did not do a good job of sifting through the typical ideological purity test nonsense that progressives tend to engage in so to unite the different factions of the movement. One example: I have insider knowledge that a certain high-up campaign manager personally dislikes Tulsi Gabbard and pressured Bernie to reject her endorsement because she is seen as too far-right for the movement…a bunch of high school mean girls nonsense that Bernie didn’t quell.

 

I hope any of this was remotely interesting to anyone? Yikes I type too much…

  I would caution as to how much enthusiasm should be thrown to any one candidate especially if they do get elected President.  For me Trump has been for the most part a happy accident but I do not want to elevate his stature to the level of deity.  While FDR and LBJ had laudable ideas they certainly had flaws as politicians.  FDR had a hawkish streak going way back to his time as undersecretary for the US Navy during WWI.  From what history I studied at Cornell it is possible that while FDR did not know of a specific planned action against the US by Japan he did know how to elicit a certain attitude which might lead to war in ordering the US Pacific Fleet from San Diego to Hawaii.  He certainly was made aware of Japan's irritation via US Ambassador to Japan Joseph Grew.  

[1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan]

@RealKayAdams 90% of Greens were defectors to Bernie 2016 while less than half believed his lies 2019 and today....because they rarely search voting records in office like you& I myself do. ..BernieBOTs go by speeches of Sanders ignoring facts like F35s flying out of Vermont one billion dollars each.....if USA votes by mail during an epidemic of deadly numbers 100 thousand could be dead by November WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US peace through Green jobs has a fair chance like Lincoln did to defeat 3 other parties 1860 .....while slavery is not coronovirus of any number ID, the trillions of dollars bailing out polluting corporations is a haunting tax upon future generations like a mortgage on a house than cannot be repaid in full by great grandchildren.....if USA switches to hydrogen and electric vehicles trains & a Green Grid, the economy will grow like Ike did with Interstate highways and planes replaced trains

[B-Man]

 

[B-Man]

Most Wisconsin voters don’t want the Democratic convention in Milwaukee anymore because of coronavirus: poll

by Paul Steinhauser

 

Original Article

 

 

 

 

Biden says Democratic convention should be postponed until August

Reuters, by Jason Lange

 

Original Article

 

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

Most Wisconsin voters don’t want the Democratic convention in Milwaukee anymore because of coronavirus: poll

by Paul Steinhauser

 

Original Article

 

 

 

 

Biden says Democratic convention should be postponed until August

Reuters, by Jason Lange

 

Original Article

 

What, does he think he'll grow a brain by then? 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[SoCal Deek]

We can all laugh about it now, but when Trump wins in a landslide, you know that it only sets up FOUR MORE YEARS of non-stop whining from the Left about the newest excuse for their loss: The Corona-Virus Collusion.

[B-Man]

 

 

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[B-Man]

SURE. WHY NOT? THE PERSON WE WANT ONE OF JOE BIDEN’S HEARTBEATS AWAY FROM THE PRESIDENCY IS THE IDIOT WHO TRIED TO PRACTICE MEDICINE WITHOUT A LICENSE AND FORBID DOCTORS FROM USING LIFE SAVING TREATMENTS BECAUSE ORANGE MAN BAD!  

 

Gretchen Whitmer: Possible VP Pick, Derping Loon.

 

 

 

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[Just Joshin']

16 minutes ago, B-Man said:

SURE. WHY NOT? THE PERSON WE WANT ONE OF JOE BIDEN’S HEARTBEATS AWAY FROM THE PRESIDENCY IS THE IDIOT WHO TRIED TO PRACTICE MEDICINE WITHOUT A LICENSE AND FORBID DOCTORS FROM USING LIFE SAVING TREATMENTS BECAUSE ORANGE MAN BAD!  

 

Gretchen Whitmer: Possible VP Pick, Derping Loon.

 

 

 

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I wonder what specific law/regulation gives her the right?  I suspect many of these edicts would lose in court if challenged.  Any legal experts have a POV?

[Deranged Rhino]

They know their only chance to win is to cheat (again) 

 

[Bill from NYC]

On ‎3‎/‎31‎/‎2020 at 10:38 PM, RealKayAdams said:

 

 I’m also somewhat to the political right of your stereotypical Bernie supporter on a number of issues like PC culture, second amendment, late-term abortion, Russiagate, Ukrainegate, border control, and nuclear energy. I’m also to the extreme left of them on a select few issues like the drug war, animal rights, and many aspects of environmental protections. As you can see, choosing a political party to belong to isn’t as simple for me as it is for others. That’s also probably why it’s easier for me to quit the Dems than it is for other Bernie supporters.

 

 

I must say that it is rather refreshing (and quite the oddity) to see someone who leans left to have such an open mind.

 

Be well and stay healthy!

[/dev/null]

On 4/3/2020 at 1:37 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

They know their only chance to win is to cheat (again) 

 

 

stupid and annoying, but damn she's got nice breasts

[Buffalo_Gal]

And the Ds are sticking with Joey-B? I always wonder about internal polling. Is this lock down killing Trump's reelection chances? Is Joey Fingers a possibility (that would be scary as hell)?
 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

And the Ds are sticking with Joey-B? I always wonder about internal polling. Is this lock down killing Trump's reelection chances? Is Joey Fingers a possibility (that would be scary as hell)?
 

 

 

I have some contact with a handful of the campaign team in CA and in DC. Internal polling from Team Trump is still through the roof as of Saturday. Joe's numbers (from Trump's team's data) has slipped 7+ points in WI, FL, PA and MI. Again, even Michigan. That means Trump is running close to 7-10 points up on Joe in all those states at present. They feel very confident still.  

 

Those thousands of people filling up arenas every week prior to this are still there. Sitting back, watching, and growing stronger the more the media and the DNC play themselves on the national stage. 

[B-Man]

 

[B-Man]

 

Democratic Presidential Clown Car Update for April 6, 2020. 

 

“The frozen campaign continues. Slow Joe racks up Pinocchios and launches a podcast, the Democratic Convention has been moved back a month (and may turn into a virtual-only affair), and Bernie’s doppelganger says it’s time to throw in the towel.”

 

 

 

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[Deranged Rhino]

Brutal. Just ***** brutal. 

 

 

 

No Chance Joe. 

 

But this is your horse @transplantbillsfan in the race, right? It's too bad you chose a horse with three legs and a senility problem. If only people had tried to warn you of his (SERIOUS) flaws... 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Bernie's done  (NYT)

Bub-bye  (Business Insider)
 

Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont is dropping out of the 2020 presidential race, his campaign announced in an email to supporters on Wednesday.

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I wonder what he got paid this time?

Edited April 8, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal