Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread

[whatdrought]

12 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

 

I liked Booker quite a bit more when he way mayor of Newark. Not so much as a Senator.

 

Elections are so superficial now and I don't know if he has the right characteristics to take on Trump. When I say superficial, I'm not talking about looks per se. It's more about having the right mindset for the kind of street fight Trump presents. I could see Booker getting way too emotional and outraged when Trump does his thing.

 

And I tend to think that while the moderate R's and I's you're speaking of may like a guy like Booker, I question what they'll actually do in the booth if Trump makes a fool of him on the trail.

 

I'm sure Obama is not popular around these parts, but he was a damn good politician. I don't see any stars in this field.

 

 

Dude... he’s Spartacus. Of course he can go toe to toe with Trump.

[Deranged Rhino]

23 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

I think you have to go with Cory Booker. Every moderate Republican and independent I know has said they would vote for him.

 

They clearly have never heard him speak on any substantive issue. Because when he tries, he embarrasses himself. 

 

Booker will run. He will be an early out though in the primary. He'll get laughed out of the race and slaughtered by the dirty political machine already ramping up behind Harris (not to mention the unannounced dems who are going to run like Steyer). 

 

imo of course  

[LSHMEAB]

4 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

Crowly did more to help Obama than Obama did. The difference is that if Crowly does that to Trump, he takes her to task right then and there and the right eats it up.

 

Instead, we got Crowly incorrectly correcting Romney and "binders full of women" and "Romney caused a woman to die of cancer" and "Romney hazed a kid in college by cutting his hair."

 

That's how Obama won.

You're kind of making my point about the superficiality of modern national elections.

 

Talk about the moderator all you like, but Obama was stylistically the better performer and dismissive quips like "proceed governor" made him an extremely tough foe. The facts around Obama's rose garden comments became secondary. And make no mistake about it; Obama was a complete as*hole. He was every bit the as*hole Trump is. Just had a different approach.

 

The way I see a candidate beating Trump stylistically is demonstrating zero emotion and subtly dismantling his more outrageous statements. I'm not saying any of these candidates have the ability to do that. 

 

And I agree that Trump would have never let a moderator punk him in that manner.

[DC Tom]

35 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

I think you have to go with Cory Booker. Every moderate Republican and independent I know has said they would vote for him.

 

Booker's a bloody moron.

 

But Trump's already set the precedent for bloody morons in the White House, so why the hell not?

 

(Side note: my phone tried to autocomplete "bloody morons in the White House" as "bloody morons in the Senate." :lol:)

[Paulus]

29 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

I think you have to go with Cory Booker. Every moderate Republican and independent I know has said they would vote for him.

Booker would get destroyed by Trump. The only people who stand a chance against him are Harris and Biden.

 

I think the Dems will roll and fail with Harris, but will win in 2024 with Newsome...

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Paulus said:

Booker would get destroyed by Trump. The only people who stand a chance against him are Harris and Biden.

 

I think the Dems will roll and fail with Harris, but will win in 2024 with Newsome...

 

I know I'm dreaming, but I'm hoping Newsome loses in a few weeks... 

[IDBillzFan]

 

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

I know I'm dreaming, but I'm hoping Newsome loses in a few weeks... 

 

It won't happen because the state won't let it. The Dems have busload after busload of votes coming in from illegals and corpses. It's her his time.

[Alaska Darin]

41 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

 

I liked Booker quite a bit more when he way mayor of Newark. Not so much as a Senator.

Because...

[LSHMEAB]

3 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said:

Because...

Because he freaking shoveled snow at 3 A.M. during a blizzard and was genuinely a man of the people. He did a lot of good things for that hellhole of a city.

 

He lost me with the Spartacus grandstanding. Washington ruined him.

 

Just so you know, I'm a socialist so we're naturally going to disagree regarding his policies as mayor. 

[TakeYouToTasker]

13 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Just so you know, I'm a socialist so we're naturally going to disagree regarding his policies as mayor. 

 

You don't have to disagree.

 

You could give it some consideration, and wind up coming towards a position which embraces human freedom, and acknowledges that man deserves to live free, rather than at the barrel of a gun being dictated to by Party Elites, and made slave to those who would empower themselves to steal simply because there are more of them.

Edited October 17, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker

[Paulus]

45 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I know I'm dreaming, but I'm hoping Newsome loses in a few weeks... 

No, he has been being prepped for a Presidential run for years now. He is the left's version of maximum Republican hell.

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, LABillzFan said:

 

Crowly did more to help Obama than Obama did. The difference is that if Crowly does that to Trump, he takes her to task right then and there and the right eats it up.

 

Instead, we got Crowly incorrectly correcting Romney and "binders full of women" and "Romney caused a woman to die of cancer" and "Romney hazed a kid in college by cutting his hair."

 

That's how Obama won.

 

Nawwww I'm going with voter fraud in that election.  

I will say that Mitt the Milktoast didn't energize or enthuse anyone, and the Candy Crowley "correction" that put Mitt off his game in that debate just confirmed to many how wimpy he really is (was). 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Paulus said:

No, he has been being prepped for a Presidential run for years now. He is the left's version of maximum Republican hell.

 

I don't disagree. I live in CA and have been told of the mighty Newsome's prowess for years (by people asking for donations). He's a virtual lock to be the next governor, and if something unexpected did happen at the polls I wouldn't put it past the state to cry foul or otherwise intervene. 

 

He's got 2024 in his sights without a doubt. 

[Paulus]

15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I don't disagree. I live in CA and have been told of the mighty Newsome's prowess for years (by people asking for donations). He's a virtual lock to be the next governor, and if something unexpected did happen at the polls I wouldn't put it past the state to cry foul or otherwise intervene. 

 

He's got 2024 in his sights without a doubt. 

Ohh, so you know how much like Satan wet dream this whole Newsome thing is possibly going to be? Yeah, the guy is good and evil at the same time, haha.

[Rob's House]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

They clearly have never heard him speak on any substantive issue. Because when he tries, he embarrasses himself. 

 

Booker will run. He will be an early out though in the primary. He'll get laughed out of the race and slaughtered by the dirty political machine already ramping up behind Harris (not to mention the unannounced dems who are going to run like Steyer). 

 

imo of course  

You guys are letting the cat out of the bag. It's been my dream to see Cory Booker run against Trump since I saw an over-educated 30-something virgin gush about what a great Presidential candidate he'd make, after his amateurish speech at the 2016 DNC. Is it sadistic on my part? Maybe. Would it be fun to watch? Absolutely.

 

The only way it happens is if the Dems think he can win. That won't happen if we openly mock the guy for being a stooge. They have to think we fear or respect him.

[Alaska Darin]

3 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

He did a lot of good things for that hellhole of a city.

Name 5.

[LSHMEAB]

17 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said:

Name 5.

Google is your friend.

 

As a matter of fact, name 5 bad things he did to Newark WITHOUT using google.

 

I don't play games.

Edited October 18, 2018 by LSHMEAB

[snafu]

5 hours ago, Albwan said:

 

She had her Howard Dean "yee haaa!" Moment, but at least he made it to the primaries before he went "poof" in a cloud of smoke.

They're all going to do this, one by one.

 

 

[Alaska Darin]

30 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Google is your friend.

 

As a matter of fact, name 5 bad things he did to Newark WITHOUT using google.

 

I don't play games.

You don’t get to do that here.  You stated he “did a lot of good things for the city.”  I’ve made no statements positive or negative.  Either back up your statement with some examples or gtfooh.

[IDBillzFan]

41 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Google is your friend.

 

As a matter of fact, name 5 bad things he did to Newark WITHOUT using google.

 

I don't play games.

 

Y'know, if you're going to hang out on a message board, the least you can do is show even the simplest understanding that blanket statements ("he did a lot of good things...") may require some supporting data.

 

The laziest of posters will make such statements, and then respond with "look it up yourself," and that's fine, if you're 12. But if you're going to repeatedly explain  you participate here in search of knowledge and sharing thoughts, but are too embarrassingly lazy to support  a basic statement, then head over to DailyKos where that is the norm.

 

If he did a lot of good things, naming 5 should be like listing ingredients for chicken soup.

 

Try harder.

[LSHMEAB]

10 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

Y'know, if you're going to hang out on a message board, the least you can do is show even the simplest understanding that blanket statements ("he did a lot of good things...") may require some supporting data.

 

The laziest of posters will make such statements, and then respond with "look it up yourself," and that's fine, if you're 12. But if you're going to repeatedly explain  you participate here in search of knowledge and sharing thoughts, but are too embarrassingly lazy to support  a basic statement, then head over to DailyKos where that is the norm.

 

If he did a lot of good things, naming 5 should be like listing ingredients for chicken soup.

 

Try harder.

It's a pointless, adversarial question that serves no purpose. 

 

I'm not here to play games.

 

 

[Alaska Darin]

31 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

It's a pointless, adversarial question that serves no purpose. 

 

I'm not here to play games.

 

 

You’re not going to be here at all.

[Joe Miner]

10 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Google is your friend.

 

As a matter of fact, name 5 bad things he did to Newark WITHOUT using google.

 

I don't play games.

 

You get to tell people to look it up when they raise a question they could easily look up the facts on.

 

This is an opinion you've posted. You've been called to defend it. Either defend it, or tuck your tail, but no one can look up facts on your opinion you dumbass.

[IDBillzFan]

2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

It's a pointless, adversarial question that serves no purpose. 

 

I'm not here to play games.

 

 

 

As opposed to, say, claiming Booker did a lot of good things but being unable to name any of them?

 

We know you're not here to play games because you're even too lazy to answer a simple question.

[KRC]

7 hours ago, LABillzFan said:

 

As opposed to, say, claiming Booker did a lot of good things but being unable to name any of them?

 

We know you're not here to play games because you're even too lazy to answer a simple question.

 

"I shouldn't have to defend my opinion!! How dare you!!"

[Koko78]

Stop dehumanizing him by making him prove his statements, you fascist pigs!

[Buffalo_Gal]

last one, last one (ok, probably not...)

 

[Nanker]

15 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Google is your friend.

 

As a matter of fact, name 5 bad things he did to Newark WITHOUT using google.

 

I don't play games.

Did he ever actually live in Newark? That's subject of some argumentation.

 

He did cut the Police force by 13 percent to help balance the city's budget. 

Of course, homicides and violent crime spiked - but "WHO CARES?" It's only Newark, NJ. 

He was the first Mayor of Newark in 45 years to not leave City Hall under indictment. :golf clap:

 

Newark's child poverty rate spiked 32% under Spartacus' rule, yes and all the while the unemployment rate was double the national average. :bravo: Mr. Spartacus.

Oh, he can speechify. He gave over a hundred speeches all over the country and collected over a million dollars for his oratory. To he "credit" he did give much of it to charities.

 

While he was Hizzhonor The Mayor, he continued to get annual payments from the law firm (Trenk, DiPasquale, Webster) he left when he became Newark Royalty. Of course that firm garnered over $2million from Newark's Housing Authority, a wastewater agency, and the Watershed Conservation Development Corporation. 

 

But he's seen as in the words of Uncle Joe Biden when describing B. O., "he was articulate and bright, and clean..." 

 

Not only that, but Cory was friends with Oprah and helped get kittens out of trees and saved people from burning houses. The list goes on and on and on... 

[IDBillzFan]

24 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Not only that, but Cory was friends with Oprah and helped get kittens out of trees and saved people from burning houses. The list goes on and on and on... 

 

No wonder @LSHMEAB didn't want to answer the question.

 

Because he couldn't.

 

 

[Nanker]

Just now, LABillzFan said:

 

No wonder @LSHMEAB didn't want to answer the question.

 

Because he couldn't.

 

 

Just trying to help out the mentally challenged.

 

[LSHMEAB]

36 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Did he ever actually live in Newark? That's subject of some argumentation.

 

He did cut the Police force by 13 percent to help balance the city's budget. 

Of course, homicides and violent crime spiked - but "WHO CARES?" It's only Newark, NJ. 

He was the first Mayor of Newark in 45 years to not leave City Hall under indictment. :golf clap:

 

Newark's child poverty rate spiked 32% under Spartacus' rule, yes and all the while the unemployment rate was double the national average. :bravo: Mr. Spartacus.

Oh, he can speechify. He gave over a hundred speeches all over the country and collected over a million dollars for his oratory. To he "credit" he did give much of it to charities.

 

While he was Hizzhonor The Mayor, he continued to get annual payments from the law firm (Trenk, DiPasquale, Webster) he left when he became Newark Royalty. Of course that firm garnered over $2million from Newark's Housing Authority, a wastewater agency, and the Watershed Conservation Development Corporation. 

 

But he's seen as in the words of Uncle Joe Biden when describing B. O., "he was articulate and bright, and clean..." 

 

Not only that, but Cory was friends with Oprah and helped get kittens out of trees and saved people from burning houses. The list goes on and on and on... 

This is a post I can respect.

 

I think when you talk about a city like Newark, ANY improvement should be lauded. It's admittedly difficult to pinpoint major initiatives that lead to Newark becoming some kind of utopia.

 

There was the well publicized 100 million dollar investment into education funded by Zuckerberg with the "Foundation for Newark's Future." It lead to improvements in english, but not math. Zuckerberg has publicly lamented the effort, but it was worth a shot. He's also a proponent of school choice and actually worked with Betsy Devos if I remember correctly. I tend to respect pols willing to go against the prevailing winds in their own party.

 

There's the prisoner re-entry program "Newark Now" that helped thousands of ex-offenders reintegrate into society. What's the alternative? Far too many felons can't gain employment and the result is recidivism which could affect YOUR family. 

 

The city's property taxes decreased 13% due to the budget you referenced. Two new hotels were built in downtown Newark for the first time in 40 years! That's just sad actually.

 

For the first time since the 1960's, the population of Newark actually INCREASED during his run as mayor. 

 

Look, Newark is a disgusting place so it's only fair to judge his mayoral tenure on a curve. I tend to think it was positive.

 

 

Edited October 18, 2018 by LSHMEAB

[Buffalo_Gal]

Ok, I promise... I'm done after this one (Ok, no I'm not)
 

 

[3rdnlng]

3 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

This is a post I can respect.

 

I think when you talk about a city like Newark, ANY improvement should be lauded. It's admittedly difficult to pinpoint major initiatives that lead to Newark becoming some kind of utopia.

 

There was the well publicized 100 million dollar investment into education funded by Zuckerberg with the "Foundation for Newark's Future." It lead to improvements in english, but not math. Zuckerberg has publicly lamented the effort, but it was worth a shot. He's also a proponent of school choice and actually worked with Betsy Devos if I remember correctly. I tend to respect pols willing to go against the prevailing winds in their own party.

 

There's the prisoner re-entry program "Newark Now" that helped thousands of ex-offenders reintegrate into society. What's the alternative? Far too many felons can't gain employment and the result is recidivism which could affect YOUR family. 

 

The city's property taxes decreased 13% due to the budget you referenced. Two new hotels were built in downtown Newark for the first time in 40 years! That's just sad actually.

 

For the first time since the 1960's, the population of Newark actually INCREASED during his run as mayor. 

 

Look, Newark is a disgusting place so it's only fair to judge his mayoral tenure on a curve. I tend to think it was positive.

 

 

I thought you were above actually having to explain your premise?

[Buffalo_Gal]

These are slowing down now. Too bad, but this week was definitely good for a few laughs, and to remove a "top contender" in the Democratic 2020 Presidential election race.


 

[Foxx]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

These are slowing down now. Too bad, but this week was definitely good for a few laughs, and to remove a "top contender" in the Democratic 2020 Presidential election race.


 

oh my... 

[keepthefaith]

On 10/18/2018 at 11:47 AM, LSHMEAB said:

This is a post I can respect.

 

I think when you talk about a city like Newark, ANY improvement should be lauded. It's admittedly difficult to pinpoint major initiatives that lead to Newark becoming some kind of utopia.

 

There was the well publicized 100 million dollar investment into education funded by Zuckerberg with the "Foundation for Newark's Future." It lead to improvements in english, but not math. Zuckerberg has publicly lamented the effort, but it was worth a shot. He's also a proponent of school choice and actually worked with Betsy Devos if I remember correctly. I tend to respect pols willing to go against the prevailing winds in their own party.

 

There's the prisoner re-entry program "Newark Now" that helped thousands of ex-offenders reintegrate into society. What's the alternative? Far too many felons can't gain employment and the result is recidivism which could affect YOUR family. 

 

The city's property taxes decreased 13% due to the budget you referenced. Two new hotels were built in downtown Newark for the first time in 40 years! That's just sad actually.

 

For the first time since the 1960's, the population of Newark actually INCREASED during his run as mayor. 

 

Look, Newark is a disgusting place so it's only fair to judge his mayoral tenure on a curve. I tend to think it was positive.

 

 

 

The problem with fixing schools in low income urban areas is that for the most part the schools don't need fixing.  It's the student body that arrives at school from a home  environment of low educational expectations (including students planning to drop out years before they are of "dropout age") that needs fixing.  They use the same textbooks in suburban schools that they do in urban schools. 

 

 

[LSHMEAB]

7 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

The problem with fixing schools in low income urban areas is that for the most part the schools don't need fixing.  It's the student body that arrives at school from a home  environment of low educational expectations (including students planning to drop out years before they are of "dropout age") that needs fixing.  They use the same textbooks in suburban schools that they do in urban schools. 

 

 

I don't entirely buy that argument, although it has some merit. 

 

Have you been to schools in low income urban areas? The dilapidation alone make it a less than ideal situation for education.

 

I don't blame kids for not wanting to show up.

 

They could at the very least invest in the infrastructure. Maybe they'd be crap again in 10 years, but a just society makes the effort.

Edited October 19, 2018 by LSHMEAB

[TakeYouToTasker]

2 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I don't entirely buy that argument, although it has some merit. 

 

Have you been to schools in low income urban areas? The dilapidation alone make it a less than ideal situation for education.

 

I don't blame kids for not wanting to show up.

 

The problem with "not wanting to show up" is that many would be students in those areas come from a culture which not only doesn't place a premium on education, but in many cases actually lionizes ignorance, taking open pride in what they don't know.

 

There is no amount of glitter and gold on a school house which can replace parents active and involved in a child's education.

 

 

[keepthefaith]

Just now, LSHMEAB said:

I don't entirely buy that argument, although it has some merit. 

 

Have you been to schools in low income urban areas? The dilapidation alone make it a less than ideal situation for education.

 

I don't blame kids for not wanting to show up.

 

I don't think you'll find schools in such poor condition kids can't learn well.  I have close friends who are teachers in low income Chicago areas.  The stories they tell are incredible in terms of the total lack of effort and respect shown to teachers by students in these areas.  There are stories every week about this.  We're talking brutal acts of teacher disrespect and near zero effort on the part of many of the students. Where the schools get some share of the blame IMO is due to district-wide policies that won't allow teachers and administrators to discipline the kids or require that homework is done or give them failing grades.  They simply move the kids along from year to year and allow them to behave horribly and rarely with discipline. 

[IDBillzFan]

Cory Booker: Canada is out-Americaning America. Oh, and is that Trudeau dreamy or what?