Is Josh Allen just a taller Tyrod Taylor

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7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha.  So predictable.  Guess what?  For the last 2 years, I wanted to move on from Tyrod.  ?

 

i just hate double standards.  I hated this games from Tyrod and I hated it today.  And Allen has had more of this games in college than people want to admit.  It’s worrisome. 

 

Positive note.  Defense played great.

Double standard? Comparing a rookie QB to a 7 year NFL vet is a fair and balanced thing to do? That seems like a pretty unreasonable standard. Do you think a 9 month old baby will never grow up to be able to walk? Of course not! That's absurd! Sure that would be amazing, but not the standard.

Edited October 8, 2018 by NewDayBills

[Dadonkadonk]

Actually Allen is doing better than I thought.  His turnovers have been fairly limited so far.  My thought was a rookie might throw for more yard but put the defense in a bad spot with turnovers. So far he has been ok with the football.  His INT toady was 100% on Streeter and the DB making a very good play on the ball.  

[C.Biscuit97]

9 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I hear ya. I am looking at Allen as Allen. He is a rookie. If I see Allen doing the same things in game 25 as he is in game 4, then I will be with you. We need to remind ourselves even the good quarterbacks make ‘what the heck’ plays. Go watch Big Ben’s pick just before half today. He literally through a jump floater into the end zone that got picked. 

I want to see the qb progress. I was this way with Tyrod. I gave him a pass and wanted to see progression. The progression never came. So for me Tyrod had to go. 

Very fair.  But man, sometimes you can just tell.  I was one of the last defenders of EJ, JP, and Trent.  But there were plenty of signs early.  I’m still giving the guy 2 years but I’m very worried about the ability to get offensive players around him.  

 

I love St Brown in the draft and I’m watching him make plays with Rodgers.  He was a 6’5” freak who went in the 6th.  

[1billsfan]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I heard Eagles fans booing tonight.  It is stupid but you can’t get frustrated with your team?  We should just be happy with this offense?  

 

Im sure Allen is a good dude.  But man, other qbs would get killed for this.  Sorry for having expectations for the highest drafted Bills qb ever to get 100 yards passing.  

 

He was the only football player from both teams to score a touchdown today AND he guided the winning drive! What is wrong with you?

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

Drunk posts are drunk

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

Double standard? Comparing a rookie QB to a 7 year NFL vet is a fair and balanced thing to do? That seems like a pretty unreasonable standard. Do you think a 9 month old baby will never grow up to be able to walk? Of course not! That's absurd! Sure that would be amazing, but not the standard.

Tyrod was a 6th rounder who was talked about switching positions in the nfl.  Allen is the highest drafted qb in franchise history.  So yeah, I expect better performances than this.  

 

 

1 minute ago, 1billsfan said:

 

He was the only football player from both teams to score a touchdown today AND he guided the winning drive! What is wrong with you?

 

Haha.  What a drive!  

 

Our standards for good good football are so low.  I get being a homer.  I used to be a hardcore one.  But go watch other teams.  We are like in a different league offensive.  

[kbarrettb]

How’d Josh Rosen do today? 77 qb rating

Baker? 81.7

Darnold? 98.1

Allen 42

This is his 4th start his OC isn’t giving him any help either with the long running route trees these people are running. But right now he’s 4th out of the 5 qbs who were drafted and that’s just because Jackson hasn’t started yet. He needs to pick it up. I’m not nervous because it’ll take a bit. But he doesn’t look good throwing the ball. And playing qb in this league has never ever been easier. 

Edited October 8, 2018 by kbarrettb

[SWATeam]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Very fair.  But man, sometimes you can just tell.  I was one of the last defenders of EJ, JP, and Trent.  But there were plenty of signs early.  I’m still giving the guy 2 years but I’m very worried about the ability to get offensive players around him.  

 

I love St Brown in the draft and I’m watching him make plays with Rodgers.  He was a 6’5” freak who went in the 6th.  

St. Brown has had three catches on the year and Allen has made 4 career starts.

 

Make it stop,

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Drunk posts are drunk

Stopped drinking a few hours ago.  ?

[quinnearlysghost88]

Get some sleep. 

[dubs]

6 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Actually Allen is doing better than I thought.  His turnovers have been fairly limited so far.  My thought was a rookie might throw for more yard but put the defense in a bad spot with turnovers. So far he has been ok with the football.  His INT toady was 100% on Streeter and the DB making a very good play on the ball.  

 

Holmes. Watch the games. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

?

 

all we heard this offseasin is sin is our passing game couldn’t get worse.  Well in a league where offense records are being set, we are barely over 100 yards passing!  

 

Wins are always nice but other Bills qb would be getting killed for this game.  This is Allen’s 3rd won in 2 years where he passed for under 100 yards.  Isn’t that why we got rid of Tyrod?  

 

No, it isn’t.

 

Tyrod was an 8 year vet and it was pretty clear to all that he was either plateaued or regressing.

Allen is a raw rookie who is widely held to need development.  This is Allen’s 4th start in the NFL.

 

And bringing in his college record is just weak sauce.  Dilfer’s passing records and low INTs as a college QB didn’t matter once he got to the in the NFL and threw more INTs than TDs for years; similarly, Allen’s games at Wyoming with a weak OL and WR may or may not reflect the development he can achieve in the NFL.

 

Time will tell.

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I heard Eagles fans booing tonight.  It is stupid but you can’t get frustrated with your team?  We should just be happy with this offense?  

 

Im sure Allen is a good dude.  But man, other qbs would get killed for this.  Sorry for having expectations for the highest drafted Bills qb ever to get 100 yards passing.  

 

 

Yeah this was a worse Tyrod win than an actual Tyrod win.

 

For whatever passing yardage is worth he's definitely going in the wrong direction.

 

This was a true "play-not-to-lose" game and offenses and young QB's just don't grow and get better playing that style of football, IMO.

 

See the Jauron era for an example.........DJ once beat GB and Jax at home by narrow margins and the next year those two teams were playing in their respective championship games while Jauron was 7-9 again.

[Buffalo Boy]

36 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

?

 

all we heard this offseasin is sin is our passing game couldn’t get worse.  Well in a league where offense records are being set, we are barely over 100 yards passing!  

 

Wins are always nice but other Bills qb would be getting killed for this game.  This is Allen’s 3rd won in 2 years where he passed for under 100 yards.  Isn’t that why we got rid of Tyrod?  

   He has light years to go to even be called competent.

   However, he has shown a willingness to stick the ball in any spot that TT never did.

   What I see is when he sees it and doesn’t think he throws some sweet darts that are amazingly perfect. However, when he seemingly try’s to put touch on some of the short stuff he is inaccurate.   

    Today, he was underthrowing dumpoffs( a few of which were caught) and that long throw that fell between KB and the nearer receiver was befuddling. 

    I agree that he is being put in a terrible position with this Offensive unit BUT he looked pretty EJ- esque today with his accuracy or lack thereof.

 

Edited October 8, 2018 by Buffalo Boy

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5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Tyrod was a 6th rounder who was talked about switching positions in the nfl.  Allen is the highest drafted qb in franchise history.  So yeah, I expect better performances than this.  

 

 

Do you expect this guy to be a football version of Jesus Christ? Rosen, Mayfield and Darnold all had games like this. Please please please don't make me dig through game logs of HOF QBs rookie seasons. 

 

Is this simply an ego trip on your end? You want to be hailed as a clairvoyant and wise leader, first to call it after 4 games! Wow!!! Amazing! How'd you do that? We should just cut Allen based off your feeling, after all, you can just tell! What can go wrong?

Edited October 8, 2018 by NewDayBills

[ColoradoBills]

19 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

The church of Tyrod won’t go away

 

I've heard it's more of a cult.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’m sorry.  I’m venting.  Allen was the last guy I wanted the Bills to draft.  He seems to have the right attitude but his scouting report is dead on.

 

he is displaying all the things Taylor got killed for.  

 

If this thread is really you venting because you didn’t want the Bills to draft Allen, then it does deserve to be closed.  

That ship has sailed and has been discussed to death.

 

 

[Buffalo Boy]

29 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

He couldn't hold Taylors jock.

No would he want to, I hope?

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   He has light years to go to even be called competent.

   However, he has shown a willingness to stick the ball in any spot that TT never did.

   What I see is when he sees it and doesn’t think he throws some sweet darts that are amazingly perfect. However, when he seemingly try’s to put touch on some of the short stuff he is inaccurate.   

    Today, he was underthrowing dumpoffs( a few of which were caught) and that long throw that fell between KB and the nearer receiver was befuddling. 

    I agree that he is being put in a terrible position with this Offensive unit BUT he looked pretty EJ- esque today with his accuracy or lack thereof.

 

I definitely agree Allen attempts passes Tyrod won’t.  But what is the point of drafting a qb with a big arm if you never use it.  

[Johnnycage46]

16 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Agree 100%.   But that’s why I hated the Allen picl.  Do you trust the Bills to develop a raw qb?  This regime has failed at almost every offensive personnel move.  Now, We just have to trust them?

But this regime has been here for just over a season...not much time to evaluate their success or failure.

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Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If this thread is really you venting because you didn’t want the Bills to draft Allen, then it does deserve to be closed.  

That ship has sailed and has been discussed to death.

 

 

Probably the merciful thing to do, he's getting reamed. Best he go sleep it off.

[yrly]

I think this QB class has the best opportunity to succeed since Kelly, Marino and Elway. Mayfield looks the most immediately polished but none of them look bad. I mean you really can’t even really evaluate Allen with these lousy receivers we have.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Yeah this was a worse Tyrod win than an actual Tyrod win.

 

For whatever passing yardage is worth he's definitely going in the wrong direction.

 

This was a true "play-not-to-lose" game and offenses and young QB's just don't grow and get better playing that style of football, IMO.

 

See the Jauron era for an example.........DJ once beat GB and Jax at home by narrow margins and the next year those two teams were playing in their respective championship games while Jauron was 7-9 again.

 

For whatever it’s worth, I see it differently.  I think this was a smack down game for the OL and run game.  

I think McDermott challenged Daboll to put the game on the OL and establish a run game, Or Else.

 

I’m going to be very interested to see what the run blocking looks like when I can slow it down enough on Coach’s Film for me to tease it apart.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If this thread is really you venting because you didn’t want the Bills to draft Allen, then it does deserve to be closed.  

That ship has sailed and has been discussed to death.

 

 

Yeah, we need more threads with people making jokes about Tre White’s mother. 

 

It was a legit thread that showed double standards some fans have.  But it’s your board so I’ll respect your wishes.

2 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

But this regime has been here for just over a season...not much time to evaluate their success or failure.

I believe they done a good job on the defensive side. 

[Nihilarian]

23 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’m sorry.  I’m venting.  Allen was the last guy I wanted the Bills to draft.  He seems to have the right attitude but his scouting report is dead on.

 

he is displaying all the things Taylor got killed for.  

In the drunken stupor where you think Allen is "physically" lighter than Tyrod Taylor? 

 

Did you also miss the two passes for first downs he made on the game winning drive? 

 

I used to respect your opinion and read your posts. After reading this I do believe that you will carry this dislike for a player you dislike no matter what he does. 

[Johnnycage46]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, we need more threads with people making jokes about Tre White’s mother. 

 

It was a legit thread that showed double standards some fans have.  But it’s your board so I’ll respect your wishes.

I believe they done a good job on the defensive side. 

 

I think the D is trending well and I hope they go after a ton of O next year.  Personally I am trying to temper my feelings until after this season and offseason to see what happens.

 

BUT....I get the frustration.  BUT ALSO....Bills won!  Let it carry your week.  Mondays are better after they win lol

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Nihilarian said:

In the drunken stupor where you think Allen is "physically" lighter than Tyrod Taylor? 

 

Did you also miss the two passes for first downs he made on the game winning drive? 

 

I used to respect your opinion and read your posts. After reading this I do believe that you will carry this dislike for a player you dislike no matter what he does. 

The 2 yard screens?  I mean they worked but they aren’t passes I’m going to tell my grandkids about.  

[downunderbill]

Tyrod was surrounded by players, Allen isn't.

[Buffalo Boy]

25 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

want to see the qb progress. 

Have to say, he threw one away today ( low bar) but it was a sign of progress. 

It is these super small plays here and there that I look for. I missed most of thecsecond half( have it recorded/ out of town) but I didn’t see him do anything egregiously stupid today.

[Bing Bong]

42 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

Close it down @Hapless Bills Fan

Why

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Johnnycage46 said:

 

I think the D is trending well and I hope they go after a ton of O next year.  Personally I am trying to temper my feelings until after this season and offseason to see what happens.

 

BUT....I get the frustration.  BUT ALSO....Bills won!  Let it carry your week.  Mondays are better after they win lol

Fair enough brother.  But football can be so much better.  Bills fans always seem to have to settle for a water down version of what the rest of the league does.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   He has light years to go to even be called competent.

   However, he has shown a willingness to stick the ball in any spot that TT never did.

   What I see is when he sees it and doesn’t think he throws some sweet darts that are amazingly perfect. However, when he seemingly try’s to put touch on some of the short stuff he is inaccurate.   

    Today, he was underthrowing dumpoffs( a few of which were caught) and that long throw that fell between KB and the nearer receiver was befuddling. 

    I agree that he is being put in a terrible position with this Offensive unit BUT he looked pretty EJ- esque today with his accuracy or lack thereof.

 

 

TBH I’m starting to believe that we can’t judge Allen’s accuracy too well on any throw involving KB.  If I recall correctly, there was an earlier play where I observed KB jogging towards the end zone and Allen significantly overthrew him.  Maybe that one he actually ran at full speed.   I think KB may not run consistent routes so any QB will have trouble judging throws to him.  He also does not adjust or come back the way top WR do.

 

That is not to say I don’t have concerns about Allen’s throwing abilities, but I’m not befuddled by just about anything that happens when Allen throws to KB, except in a good way when KB manages to catch one.

 

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, we need more threads with people making jokes about Tre White’s mother. 

 

It was a legit thread that showed double standards some fans have.  But it’s your board so I’ll respect your wishes.

I believe they done a good job on the defensive side. 

 

If we had more threads about Tre White’s mother I would merge them.

 

It’s not my board, I just “give back” by donating my time trying to make it a decent place to discuss football.

 

The claim of a “double standard” because an 8 year vet who started what, 43 games? And a rookie who has started 4, aren’t held to the same standard, is absurd.

[billspro]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah this was a worse Tyrod win than an actual Tyrod win.

 

For whatever passing yardage is worth he's definitely going in the wrong direction.

 

This was a true "play-not-to-lose" game and offenses and young QB's just don't grow and get better playing that style of football, IMO.

 

See the Jauron era for an example.........DJ once beat GB and Jax at home by narrow margins and the next year those two teams were playing in their respective championship games while Jauron was 7-9 again.

 

Big Ben went 15-1 with that style of football as a rookie. He is a raw player, playing ball control is a good strategy this year. Allen also made some huge third downs today and seemed to be settling in towards the end of the game. I think he showed some growth today. He definitely doesn’t have a WR he can trust right now. Hopefully Ray Ray can develop into something.

[Buffalo Boy]

6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I definitely agree Allen attempts passes Tyrod won’t.  But what is the point of drafting a qb with a big arm if you never use it.  

   So far, he seems to be able to throw it on a rope like nobody I’ve seen in a long time.

   His long balls are consistently overthrown. Is it because his receivers ( KB on flee flicker ) are simply blanketed and he recognizes it and decides to over throw to be safe while looking for a hold/ PI?  Or, does he just suck at the long ball.?

   If Sammy was here, would he suddenly look better or would he overthrow him as well?

   We can’t know until he has legitimate receivers , which he doesn’t.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

TBH I’m starting to believe that we can’t judge Allen’s accuracy too well on any throw involving KB.  If I recall correctly, there was an earlier play where I observed KB jogging towards the end zone and Allen significantly overthrew him.  Maybe that one he actually ran at full speed.   I think KB may not run consistent routes so any QB will have trouble judging throws to him.  He also does not adjust or come back the way top WR do.

 

That is not to say I don’t have concerns about Allen’s throwing abilities, but I’m not befuddled by just about anything that happens when Allen throws to KB, except in a good way when KB manages to catch one.

 

If we had more threads about Tre White’s mother I would merge them.

 

It’s not my board

 

The claim of a “double standard” because an 8 year vet who started what, 43 games? And a rookie who has started 4, aren’t held to the same standard, is absurd.

Should have kept this thread locked.  

 

[Fred Clause]

41 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

You are better than this OP. I would expect this from one of the newer posters sent over after that other site closed down. 

 

The point is, he isn’t better than this, top 5 worst poster on TBD... This is the norm with him...

[Johnnycage46]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Fair enough brother.  But football can be so much better.  Bills fans always seem to have to settle for a water down version of what the rest of the league does.  

 

For me personally I would love to be the current Rams but I think we just need to be patient and see where this goes (and keep discussing).  I would !@#$ing love for Allen and the Bills to turn into a juggernaut on both sides of the ball but I think right now this rebuild and (oh god) process is in its infancy.  

 

This could be a season we look back on and say "remember when we all thought Allen would suck and McBeane would get canned"?  Or we could be saying "holcomb, flutie/johnson, bledsoe, Losman, ej, allen...man why cant the Bill's get a QB?!" 

 

 

 

 

 

[billspro]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

For whatever it’s worth, I see it differently.  I think this was a smack down game for the OL and run game.  

I think McDermott challenged Daboll to put the game on the OL and establish a run game, Or Else.

 

I’m going to be very interested to see what the run blocking looks like when I can slow it down enough on Coach’s Film for me to tease it apart.

 

We beat the Titans at their own game. They usually play good D and control the clock. That was one of the best 4 minute drives I have witnessed as a Bills fan.

[Buffalo Boy]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

That is not to say I don’t have concerns about Allen’s throwing abilities, but I’m not befuddled by just about anything that happens when Allen throws to KB, except in a good way when KB manages to catch one.

   See my above reply to Biscuit.

   I’m in Complete agreement about KB. Said so during game thread about his coverage jogging on the flee flicker. Dude IS slow!

   And when he finally catches that 3 rd down he’s within a hair of fumbling the freaking ball?

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

For Christ’s sake not everything can be blamed on the BBMB.