BADOLBILZ Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: For whatever it’s worth, I see it differently. I think this was a smack down game for the OL and run game. I think McDermott challenged Daboll to put the game on the OL and establish a run game, Or Else. I’m going to be very interested to see what the run blocking looks like when I can slow it down enough on Coach’s Film for me to tease it apart. I'm not one of the big critics of the OL on this board...........I've felt they have excellent run blocking potential all along and that run blocking could be used to tire and slow a pass rush.......and that's exactly what they did today. But this was Jauron Ball 101. Conservative offense and a defense that doesn't allow big plays and gets turnovers.......that 3:1 differential was huge. All that said.......it took the drop of an easy TD pass by the Titans at the end to keep the Bills from being in a must-score-a-TD situation to win the game at the end. I was actually hoping TN would score the TD there so we could see Allen play 4 down football and hopefully take an important step in his growth as a passer. I don't think this game moved the needle forward on his development at all............and while I am no tanker........the most important thing this season is getting Allen better so he can take a HUGE step forward next season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: ? all we heard this offseasin is sin is our passing game couldn’t get worse. Well in a league where offense records are being set, we are barely over 100 yards passing! Wins are always nice but other Bills qb would be getting killed for this game. This is Allen’s 3rd won in 2 years where he passed for under 100 yards. Isn’t that why we got rid of Tyrod? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 38 minutes ago, billspro said: Big Ben went 15-1 with that style of football as a rookie. He is a raw player, playing ball control is a good strategy this year. Allen also made some huge third downs today and seemed to be settling in towards the end of the game. I think he showed some growth today. He definitely doesn’t have a WR he can trust right now. Hopefully Ray Ray can develop into something. Winning was the most important thing in Big Ben's rookie season. Not the case here. Developing Allen is job #1. Though I have never believed for a minute that McD designed this team to take lumps and get a very high draft pick...........which is what most here seem to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: Winning was the most important thing in Big Ben's rookie season. Not the case here. Developing Allen is job #1. Though I have never believed for a minute that McD designed this team to take lumps and get a very high draft pick...........which is what most here seem to believe. He needs to learn basic QB play before we go to a more complex throwing offense imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Though I have never believed for a minute that McD designed this team to take lumps and get a very high draft pick...........which is what most here seem to believe. No coach really tries to lose. But they have clearly been accumulating assets and contract flexibility for next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 28 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I'm not one of the big critics of the OL on this board...........I've felt they have excellent run blocking potential all along and that run blocking could be used to tire and slow a pass rush.......and that's exactly what they did today. With all respect, potential and lack of potential look the same until potential is realized ? Their run blocking has been factually awful with occasional glimpses of passable Like I said, I'm going to be interested to have a look at the all-22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, billspro said: He needs to learn basic QB play before we go to a more complex throwing offense imo How to hand the ball off? Basic QB play at the NFL level is learning how to read defenses and make throws under pressure. A lot of this is on McD and Beane for destroying the WR corps. Need more open WR and guys like Andre Holmes can't be out there to cause turnovers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan5121 said: I don’t think anyone can sit here and pretend Allen has been lights out this year, even taking into account he’s a rookie. But to sit and pretend he has been set up to succeed is foolish as well. As someone pointed out, Taylor had Watkins, Woods, Goodwin, Hogan, Harvin (for a few weeks), two pro bowlers on the OL (3 if Glenn ever went, I can’t remember), McCoy in his prime. Quite a difference there. And had already been around the block in the NFL many years, and sat/absorbed game behind Flacco, and started multiple seasons for the Bills, that’s why his ceiling was so obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: How to hand the ball off? Basic QB play at the NFL level is learning how to read defenses and make throws under pressure. A lot of this is on McD and Beane for destroying the WR corps. Need more open WR and guys like Andre Holmes can't be out there to cause turnovers. I would be happy if we kept his attempts around 25. That allows us to establish the running game and lets him use play action effectively. His WRs are terrible and I think it would be bad for his development to go to a complex throwing offense. We can add that in next year after he learns to manage a football game and make clutch throws on third down. I would like to see him developed similar to the way the Steelers developed Big Ben. That is his best chance for success imo. He is a raw QB, keep it simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: ? all we heard this offseasin is sin is our passing game couldn’t get worse. Well in a league where offense records are being set, we are barely over 100 yards passing! Wins are always nice but other Bills qb would be getting killed for this game. This is Allen’s 3rd won in 2 years where he passed for under 100 yards. Isn’t that why we got rid of Tyrod? Dont we need the season to actually evaluate this? THere is a chance that our rookie qb could actually get better as the season goes on 1 hour ago, Jpsredemption said: He couldn't hold Taylors jock. You are easily one of the worst poster's on this board....you just keep spewing nonsense with every friggen post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I for one would like to just enjoy the win today. But I've said this since Allens 1st preseason game. Its way too early to make any kind of judgements on what kind of career he's gonna have. Its the same after 1 regular season game, 2 regular season games, 3 regular season games, 4... u get the idea. Lets give this kid some time to learn whats termed 'the hardest position in all of sports' & wait til he has some more games under his belt. This issue has been talked to death about but its a huge jump from the Mountain West in college to the NFL. Allen wasn't supposed to be the starter this year, this team wasnt really ready for him. Put some more talent around him & you'll have a clearer idea of what he can do. Until then I suppose we'll just see 100 more threads like this after every weeks game & i'll Facepalm thru 99 of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: With all respect, potential and lack of potential look the same until potential is realized ? Their run blocking has been factually awful with occasional glimpses of passable Like I said, I'm going to be interested to have a look at the all-22 I don't think they did anything different on the OL today....they weren't suddenly blowing huge holes open...... but getting a turnover and an early lead created run game opportunities and the small bites really helped kill clock. The Bills have no passing game so I'd expect plenty of awful looking days for the OL ahead but the position that needs to be fixed is WR.......not the OL. Yeah.......better OL would be nice..........but myself and Sal Capaccio are in agreement that what this offense needs is a stud WR target to not only make plays for the young QB but also to move guys like Benjamin and Zay Jones into better matchups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Biscuit is still mad about Jauron. We get it dude, you loved the guy 12 years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Similar to Tyrod but has a cannon for an arm and is a better runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, billspro said: I would be happy if we kept his attempts around 25. That allows us to establish the running game and lets him use play action effectively. His WRs are terrible and I think it would be bad for his development to go to a complex throwing offense. We can add that in next year after he learns to manage a football game and make clutch throws on third down. I would like to see him developed similar to the way the Steelers developed Big Ben. That is his best chance for success imo. He is a raw QB, keep it simple. I'd like to see low 30's in attempts.........something in between Goff and Wentz. Goff really had no WR talent in his rookie year either. It was all acquired the following offseason. 8 minutes ago, Idandria said: Similar to Tyrod but has a cannon for an arm and is a better runner. Oh come on.......Allen is a good runner but NOT a better runner than Tyrod. Tyrod had some amazing runs and was a terror on RPO under Roman/Lynn. The fact the thought "Allen is a better runner than Taylor" is even considered truly speaks to my point that people became blind to the plays Taylor made with his legs. He made A TON. Edited October 8, 2018 by BADOLBILZ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: ? all we heard this offseasin is sin is our passing game couldn’t get worse. Well in a league where offense records are being set, we are barely over 100 yards passing! Wins are always nice but other Bills qb would be getting killed for this game. This is Allen’s 3rd won in 2 years where he passed for under 100 yards. Isn’t that why we got rid of Tyrod? Yes, because after his presser he mentioned that it is actually pronounced Josh “Aileen” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Idandria said: Similar to Tyrod but has a cannon for an arm and is a better runner. Allen also scored twice as high as T Mobile on the wonderlic (Best in his QB draft class) We haven't even scratched the surface... Edited October 8, 2018 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just rewatched the game, Allen actually executed the game plan well. He didn’t really have an opportunity for big stats today but converted some huge third downs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: You are better than this OP. I would expect this from one of the newer posters sent over after that other site closed down. BBMB lives matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: I'm not one of the big critics of the OL on this board...........I've felt they have excellent run blocking potential all along and that run blocking could be used to tire and slow a pass rush.......and that's exactly what they did today. But this was Jauron Ball 101. Conservative offense and a defense that doesn't allow big plays and gets turnovers.......that 3:1 differential was huge. All that said.......it took the drop of an easy TD pass by the Titans at the end to keep the Bills from being in a must-score-a-TD situation to win the game at the end. I was actually hoping TN would score the TD there so we could see Allen play 4 down football and hopefully take an important step in his growth as a passer. I don't think this game moved the needle forward on his development at all............and while I am no tanker...…..the most important thing this season is getting Allen better so he can take a HUGE step forward next season. Making a rookie QB constantly carry the offense on his shoulders with a lousy receiving corps with a line that does not protect well against constant Jailbreaks will not allow this rookie QB to develop properly. Unless you want another JP, Trent Edwards? What it will do is get him killed like it has nearly done in the three losses. 7 sacks by Green Bay, 3 sacks by the Ravens, 5 sacks by the Chargers vs one sack today against Tennessee. Allen can develop just fine like he did today in that final game winning drive with two throws for first downs. Many had said that this kid wasn't ready to start day one and he clearly wasn't ready. Yet, he was thrown into the fire because Peterman isn't an NFL starter. That doesn't mean you have him sling the ball around like he is Tom Brady who is usually always well protected, on a good offense with good weapons. Josh Allen needs more of Jauron Ball... to not only develop properly... but to survive this season on a bad offensive team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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