[Vague Title] I want a Do Over

[chef4131]

Moving up in the draft to pick Zay Jones and having Krupp/JuJu available 

[HOUSE]

New Quarterback, give it some time. Only been 3 games

Edited September 29, 2018 by THE SLAMMER

[Kirby Jackson]

Krupp would be a bad pick. I’d take Juju though.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, chef4131 said:

Moving up in the draft to pick Zay Jones and having Krupp/JuJu available 

 

Haha why stop there.  I want draft do-overs going back as far as the (broken) playoff drought

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Krupp would be a bad pick. I’d take Juju though.

 

Wish you'd say more here.  He looks pretty good to me.

[Rc2catch]

To be fair, is it not possible Zay has similar results with better coaching and a high octane offense? 

Last year the rams and Steelers both had a lot of success running the ball, and obviously have lethal passing attacks. 

Also let’s not forget neither receiver is the #1 on their team and they face easier coverages because of the running games and main receivers. 

If you want the perfect example Robert Woods wasn’t all that good stat wise here, now he’s a legit threat every week to put up big numbers. 

Zay has talent, we just have not coached it out of him and we have had one of the worst passing games in the entire league.

maybe with Allen now there could be success but don’t fool yourself into thinking Smith or Kupp would of been much better playmakers than Zay here the past 20+ games

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Wish you'd say more here.  He looks pretty good to me.

Krupp doesn’t exist ?

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Krupp doesn’t exist ?

 

Then he’d be an UDFA at best. 

[Soda Popinski]

I think we would be saying the same thing had we moved up for Coop or Juju.    Either we pick the wrong wrs consistently or we can't get them the ball.   Robert Woods comes to mind.   

[Augie]

12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 Haha why stop there.  I want draft do-overs going back as far as the (broken) playoff drought

 

Wish you'd say more here.  He looks pretty good to me.

 

I’m still irked about Walt Patulski! To whom do I write a strongly worded letter? 

 

 

On the bright side, I hope the jinx factor produces 8 catches for 130+ yards for Zay tomorrow. 

Edited September 29, 2018 by Augie

[Real McClappy]

Man, so if we drafted JUJU or Kupp and Zay was playing with Ben or Goff we be saying we wish we drafted Zay and need a draft "do over" no?

 

How about we give Zay 7-8 targets a game 1st before we "confirm" him a bust?

Edited September 29, 2018 by Real McCoy

[Kirby Jackson]

This is for my own sanity. If you want to advocate for a guy, at least know his name. It isn’t “Krupp” or “Coop.” His name is Cooper Kupp.

 

This holds true for all players. If there is a guy that you really want, you should at least know his name.  I’m not trying to be a ? it is just a giant pet peeve.

Just now, Real McCoy said:

Man, so if drafted JUJU or Kupp and Zay was playing with Ben or Goff we be saying we wish we drafted Zay and need a draft "do over" no.

 

How about we give Zay 7-8 targets a game 1st before we "confirm" him a bust?

We wouldn’t be saying that. Those guys are miles ahead of Zay.

[Augie]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is for my own sanity. If you want to advocate for a guy, at least know his name. It isn’t “Krupp” or “Coop.” His name is Cooper Kupp.

 

This holds true for all players. If there is a guy that you really want, you should at least know his name.  I’m not trying to be a ? it is just a giant pet peeve.

 

I don’t think that’s unreasonable at all. Nobody should think of you as an eggplant for taking that reasonable stand. 

 

(As for your sanity, are we maybe a smidge too late there?) 

 

 

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Edited September 29, 2018 by Augie

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Krupp doesn’t exist ?

 

You got me

[US Egg]

Zay Jones was a courtesy pick for last years WR coach who is now gone.

 

Beane and McDermott's buddy system approach has hurt this team.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Man, so if we drafted JUJU or Kupp and Zay was playing with Ben or Goff we be saying we wish we drafted Zay and need a draft "do over" no?

How about we give Zay 7-8 targets a game 1st before we "confirm" him a bust?

 

At this point, Zay needs to prove he can handle 2-3 targets a game before he gets 7-8

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Nice thread title.  Your blow dry wasn't up to snuff?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, I am the egg man said:

Zay Jones was a courtesy pick for last years WR coach who is now gone.

Beane and McDermott's buddy system approach has hurt this team.  

 

I tend to agree with you here, but Man! if they're making draft selections on the "buddy system", it won't work out well for them.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

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[Real McClappy]

17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We wouldn’t be saying that. Those guys are miles ahead of Zay.

 

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

At this point, Zay needs to prove he can handle 2-3 targets a game before he gets 7-8

I just think he will turn into what we expected when drafted. His rookie campaign was a bit tough but willing to see what this guy can still do. 

[Kirby Jackson]

32 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

 

I just think he will turn into what we expected when drafted. His rookie campaign was a bit tough but willing to see what this guy can still do. 

He might be okay but he is nowhere near those other guys. He has a long way to go before he even belongs in a conversation with Kupp and Juju. Their numbers this year are close to his combined through the first 2 years. They’ve also caught 15 more TDS between them. Zay may end up okay but there is no comparison.

Edited September 29, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Freddie's Dead]

Krupp is a coffemaker.

[FearLess Price]

43 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

 

I just think he will turn into what we expected when drafted. His rookie campaign was a bit tough but willing to see what this guy can still do. 

 

I think Zay can be a solid #2 and slot WR if he works real hard. He hasnt fully adjusted to the NFL yet. And still isnt that good at beating press coverage. He has def shown small improvements from last season

 

11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He might be okay but he is nowhere near those other guys. He has a long way to go before he even belongs in a conversation with Kupp and Juju. Their numbers this year are close to his combined through the first 2 years. They’ve also caught 15 more TDS between them. Zay may end up okay but there is no comparison.

 

Agree. Rite now theres no comparrison when we stop being homers. Yes the QB matter but Zay dropped so many catchable balls last year that the argument doesnt apply to him. Especially if you see all the off target highlight reel catches the other two have made

[KW95 - JA17]

1 hour ago, Real McCoy said:

Man, so if we drafted JUJU or Kupp and Zay was playing with Ben or Goff we be saying we wish we drafted Zay and need a draft "do over" no?

 

How about we give Zay 7-8 targets a game 1st before we "confirm" him a bust?

 

But, but, but what about our number 1 KB?  We need to keep throwing to him.  He is a stud and Cam Newton isn't it good.

Edited September 29, 2018 by KW95

[MJS]

If our team gets a draft do-over, shouldn't every other team?

[transient]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Krupp doesn’t exist ?

 

Sure he does, he’s currently coaching a German hockey team. 

 

https://en.hcsparta.cz/clanek.asp?id=Uwe-Krupp-It%92s-a-tremendous-honour-for-me-to-be-part-of-Sparta-8014

[PIZ]

Tyrod Taylor was his QB.  This year is basically Zay's rookie year.

[Jay_Fixit]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Krupp doesn’t exist ?

I think he means Uwe Krupp.

[Kirby Jackson]

58 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Tyrod Taylor was his QB.  This year is basically Zay's rookie year.

And he is averaging 2 catches and 35 yards a game. He has a 57 yard catch too. His numbers are just like they were. He just isn’t very good. He may improve and I loved the pick. I was wrong.

[PIZ]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

And he is averaging 2 catches and 35 yards a game. He has a 57 yard catch too. His numbers are just like they were. He just isn’t very good. He may improve and I loved the pick. I was wrong.

 

The QB of the first game was Nate Peterman.  Give it a little time.  Kupp has Goff and JuJu has Roethlisberger.

 

 

[Bronxbomber21]

JuJu is what this team needed last season a wr that could stretch the field.

[PIZ]

Just now, Bronxbomber21 said:

JuJu is what this team needed last season a wr that could stretch the field.

 

No receiver would have made a difference with Tyrod Taylor at QB.

 

 

[CIrvine]

1 hour ago, transient said:

 

Sure he does, he’s currently coaching a German hockey team. 

 

https://en.hcsparta.cz/clanek.asp?id=Uwe-Krupp-It%92s-a-tremendous-honour-for-me-to-be-part-of-Sparta-8014

He's a defenseman, why would we play him at WR?

[BringBackOrton]

8 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

The QB of the first game was Nate Peterman.  Give it a little time.  Kupp has Goff and JuJu has Roethlisberger.

 

 

Kupp did more for Goff than Goff did for Kupp last year.

9 minutes ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

JuJu is what this team needed last season a wr that could stretch the field.

JuJu is playing a majority of his snaps from the slot.

[Bronxbomber21]

2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Kupp did more for Goff than Goff did for Kupp last year.

JuJu is playing a majority of his snaps from the slot.

1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

Kupp did more for Goff than Goff did for Kupp last year.

JuJu is playing a majority of his snaps from the slot.

Doesnt matter hes light years away from Zay

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

Doesnt matter hes light years away from Zay

It does matter to know what you’re talking about. JuJu’s role in the offense of Pittsburgh is not to stretch the field. He runs short to intermediate routes from the slot. He’s really good and way better than Zay.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 hours ago, chef4131 said:

Moving up in the draft to pick Zay Jones and having Krupp/JuJu available 

 

 

...old news....done deal....get over it......love this "shoulda...coulda....woulda..." crap..............but if we had taken Ngata versus Whitner............

[Dadonkadonk]

8 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

No receiver would have made a difference with Tyrod Taylor at QB.

 

 

Who threw all the passes Zay dropped last year?

Zay was far worse for TT than TT was for Zay.

I love all these posts where they say he would be good in the slot. He is too slow to play outside. So people assume he would be good in the slot. Slot WR needs elite quickness in today's NFL. Zay has shown no ability to play in the slot. He doesnt separate and he doesn't make the contested catch.  He is best at lining up outside and running hitch, post, and deep cross.  All of which are slower developing plays.

It's the same lazy assumption a bust OT can play OG. 

Too soon to write him off but he looks like a complete bust at this point. 

[Kirby Jackson]

21 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

The QB of the first game was Nate Peterman.  Give it a little time.  Kupp has Goff and JuJu has Roethlisberger.

 

 

No need to make excuses for him. He had all kinds of opportunities and hasn’t been good. He was the lowest graded WR in the NFL last year. He may get better but he has been bad.

[BringBackOrton]

3 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Who threw all the passes Zay dropped last year?

Zay was far worse for TT than TT was for Zay.

I love all these posts where they say he would be good in the slot. He is too slow to play outside. So people assume he would be good in the slot. Slot WR needs elite quickness in today's NFL. Zay has shown no ability to play in the slot. He doesnt separate and he doesn't make the contested catch.  He is best at lining up outside and running hitch, post, and deep cross.  All of which are slower developing plays.

It's the same lazy assumption a bust OT can play OG. 

Too soon to write him off but he looks like a complete bust at this point. 

I disagree. It’s no longer too soon to write him off. He has shown no improvement since last year.

[QCity]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If there is a guy that you really want, you should at least know his name.  

 

Ahhh I remember the days when the board fell in love with Mike Lupati.