Preston Brown "There's some weird stuff going on up there."

[LB3]

27 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

I doubt it.  Nor do I care.

 

26 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

I don't know how I'll survive.

 

 

25 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

Buck up lil' guy.

 

24 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

I'll do my best.

 

 

20 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

?

 

19 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

?

 

17 minutes ago, Peter said:

?

This is what I imagine the plot to Brokeback Mountain was like. Please don't quit each other. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

34 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I presume they were done under the guindance/permission of McD

 

Undoubtedly with McDermott's permission, but probably not his guidance - the HC doesn't have time to get into the gories of scouting.

The point being, the talent evaluation was performed by Whaley and his crew.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Jordan poyer signing was actually credited to a coach the bills/McDermott hired. He told Whaley to get him.

 

There is one of those inside the bills videos about poyer last year that went into more detail

[sleeby]

1 hour ago, Peter said:

 

On what do you base that the owners knew that this was going to be a cluster you know what of a season?

 

Because at least half of us knew it well before the season.  Maybe pegula's a moron AND McD lied to him but I'm going with neither of those and so, pegula knew what was obvious to at least half of the fans here. 

What did you think the process was?  Eat chicken wings, drive a stupid bills wrapped truck, add more video game consoles in the locker room, parachute in and talk nonsense anytime a microphone is within sight?  C'mon.

So many chatty cathies with their rumor mongering.  Danged mean girls.   Lol

Edited September 18, 2018 by sleeby

[HOUSE]

Its a split team for trading Tyrod Tylor then starting Petermen game 1

 

 

[oldmanfan]

49 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You've brought this up before, and it's been corrected before

Goodwin probably lied to the Bills about his priorities.  In 2015, he clearly had made his mind up to go for another Olympics and his priority was to enter the offseason healthy and pursue that goal.

 

In 2016, after he put his Olympic goals to rest (from pro-football-reference, click and a clear version will open)

Dressed for 15 games, started 9.  Had 2nd most WR yards on the Bills.  Was obviously still developing route running skills, but looked like the lightbulb clicked on.

 

Now we expect or at least are OK with the current FO and coaches when they come in and view former stars and starters negatively after objective evaluation, and say "that was Then, this is Now" and part ways.  So why shouldn't we expect them to do the same in a positive way?  Goodwin has something you can't coach - burner speed - for which we took a $3.5M Hail-Mary ($2.9M dead cap) on a busted Browns 1st rounder and for which we are currently tolerating a WR with a similar set of (poorly developed) route running skills and hands in Foster - this AFTER we lost the effective deep ball game last year that was Taylor's key to keeping D's honest.

 

Goodwin signed for $3.25M in 2017.

 

Anyway, whether you agree with the decision or not, please stop claiming he couldn't stay on the field here.  When he wanted to, which was 2016, he could

 

 

I'm referring to his injury history

[Peter]

12 minutes ago, sleeby said:

Because at least half of us knew it well before the season.  Maybe pegula's a moron AND McD lied to him but I'm going with neither of those and so, pegula knew what was obvious to at least half of the fans here. 

What did you think the process was?  Eat chicken wings, drive a stupid bills wrapped truck, add more video game consoles in the locker room, parachute in and talk nonsense anytime a microphone is within sight?  C'mon.

So many chatty cathies with their rumor mongering.  Danged mean girls.   Lol

 

I sincerely doubt that the owners expected what so far has been an embarrassment to the franchise.  Just a hunch. 

 

As for the rest of us that were realists before the season and saw that last year was a mirage, it seemed like there were many more here that disagreed and even mods that shut down threads questioning the offensive line.

 

We shall see.

[BillsFan4]

Interesting comment by Eric Wood in his weekly Athletic article -

https://theathletic.com/531712/2018/09/18/wood-its-so-hard-for-me-to-fathom-that-anyone-would-quit-on-their-teammates-like-vontae-davis-did/

Quote

Anquan Boldin quit in training camp last year. I don’t know if he thought we were going to stink or what. But if you turn on the film from last year, we were so bought in to what Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane were preaching.

 

You can even talk to coaches and players from teams around the league: Our film looked different. Our effort level was so high.

 

Now, we didn’t have 13 wins. We went 9-7 and squeaked into the playoffs with a lot of help. But we weren’t the most talented team in the league either. We fought our tails off every week for our coaches and for each other.

Now the narrative in Buffalo is that the culture is so bad that players are quitting.

 

That couldn’t be further from reality. The truth is that the Bills are a bunch of guys who have bought in. They just have a lot of young talent with brighter days ahead.

 

I’ll take E Wood’s word on this.

 

 

Edited September 18, 2018 by BillsFan4

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

Probably the incident that told the Bills to let that turd walk.

 

I amend what I said above.  Any retaliation and they likely suspend the Bills player for a game, and that might have meant missing the playoffs.  Hopefully they get revenge this year, unless they start to rattle-off wins.

[Tenhigh]

22 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

What player is going to come out and Say yeah I left because they suck

It's almost like a coach coming out and saying "We lost because we suck", amirite?

[Solomon Grundy]

23 hours ago, zow2 said:

Preston being honest

 

 

This coming from a Bengals player??

[Doc]

As was stated in the other thread, as per Eric Wood, Preston Brown is FOS.

[sleeby]

{{{Eric Wood}}}  still leading.  

 

So, all you chatty cathies who want to start rumors of a lost locker room care to call him a fibber face Jenkins?  No?  Then sit back down, zip the lips and get back with the process!   

 

The process, as I see it, is like an emergency enema after the Ryan boys partied around in there - it's not going to be totally fun but it is cleansing and we should feel a whole lot lighter and maybe even ready to climb a mountain afterwards.  Prove me wrong. . .

Edited September 18, 2018 by sleeby

[stinky finger]

17 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Well you've had Anquan and Davis retire rather than collect checks. Bills offered John Brown more than cincy reportedly and he didn't want to come here. So you have at least 3 examples there, what about Maclin? 

Fair - point is, most will chase the dollar.....and why not?

[3rdand12]

22 hours ago, NoSaint said:

4 year starter with 4 different DCs, 3 head coaches, 2 GMs, 2 owners.... immediately took over as play caller on the field... son of a coach and generally seems a good guy. 

 

and because he he thinks somethings not right in our locker room we hate him. Obviously.

Bills fans had set their mind on him at some point.
  was steady and predictable, consistent.not outstanding .  His issue was most all ,the inability to get to the sideline. When he found a hole/ run gap he most often hit it and that was good.
 he was no Brandon Spikes though jk.

Buffalo Bills has been crazy since Marrone. no question.

 

 

22 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

That and he only tackled guys BEHIND the line of scrimmage like Poz and London Fletcher. 

and what did they go on to accomplish ? Hmm ?

22 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

That and he only tackled guys BEHIND the line of scrimmage like Poz and London Fletcher. 

that was just a couple times btw ^

in garbage time against the third strings

[3rdand12]

11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The strange thing is, he doesn't, uniformly.  Sometimes he chooses to pay more for what turns out to be less, sometimes much less.

yes. 
 i have yet to see the pattern. KB was more a panic move imho. i mean heck , he was injured.

oh wait.. maybe there is a pattern trending ?
Whaley had some fine scouts in place. No one should question that. But he served the HC a bit too much perhaps. and Rex was just a nut bucket in general as far as team building

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You've brought this up before, and it's been corrected before

Goodwin probably lied to the Bills about his priorities.  In 2015, he clearly had made his mind up to go for another Olympics and his priority was to enter the offseason healthy and pursue that goal.

 

In 2016, after he put his Olympic goals to rest (from pro-football-reference, click and a clear version will open)

Dressed for 15 games, started 9.  Had 2nd most WR yards on the Bills.  Was obviously still developing route running skills, but looked like the lightbulb clicked on.

 

Now we expect or at least are OK with the current FO and coaches when they come in and view former stars and starters negatively after objective evaluation, and say "that was Then, this is Now" and part ways.  So why shouldn't we expect them to do the same in a positive way?  Goodwin has something you can't coach - burner speed - for which we took a $3.5M Hail-Mary ($2.9M dead cap) on a busted Browns 1st rounder and for which we are currently tolerating a WR with a similar set of (poorly developed) route running skills and hands in Foster - this AFTER we lost the effective deep ball game last year that was Taylor's key to keeping D's honest.

 

Goodwin signed for $3.25M in 2017.

 

Anyway, whether you agree with the decision or not, please stop claiming he couldn't stay on the field here.  When he wanted to, which was 2016, he could

 

 

you scare me when angry.
 

10 hours ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is what I imagine the plot to Brokeback Mountain was like. Please don't quit each other. 

why would anyone take the time to imagine what brokeback mountain was like ?

[/dev/null]

On 9/17/2018 at 12:47 PM, MAJBobby said:

Waiting for Wood to unload

That seems like a personal issue

 

[3rdand12]

8 hours ago, sleeby said:

{{{Eric Wood}}}  still leading.  

 

So, all you chatty cathies who want to start rumors of a lost locker room care to call him a fibber face Jenkins?  No?  Then sit back down, zip the lips and get back with the process!   

 

The process, as I see it, is like an emergency enema after the Ryan boys partied around in there - it's not going to be totally fun but it is cleansing and we should feel a whole lot lighter and maybe even ready to climb a mountain afterwards.  Prove me wrong. . .

i might like you.
 not because the enema talk though.

culture change.

 Bills have done it every 2-3 years for decades it seems. Hope Pegula sticks to his guns on this rodeo.

 McD will stay for sure

5 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

That seems like a personal issue

 

MAJBobby is the man for the job then.

j/k

[Hapless Bills Fan]

23 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

you scare me when angry.

 

Huh.  How would you know what I'm like when I'm angry?

 

 

[liverpoolkev]

On ‎9‎/‎17‎/‎2018 at 1:16 PM, RochesterRob said:

  I think that we would have kept Glenn if he had proven consistently available health-wise.  The Bengals' offer was too good to turn down when facing the reality of Glenn's history.

Guess what ? We could have kept Glen if we drafted Mahomes or Watson last year... 

[Coach Tuesday]

21 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Eh.  You're right that none of those things needed to happen - there were always multiple choices along the way.  And I agree that while the Pegulas may have been prepared for a losing season, I doubt they were on board for an uncompetitive hot mess.  Which team will show up for the rest of the season, Bills-SD 1st half or 2nd half? is the question of the hour.  And if it's the former, the Pegulas may be singing Bruce Springsteen "it's just nobody knows baby where love goes but when it goes it's gone" towards McBeane.

 

As far as "willfully deceived" though, I don't see a problem with reserving judgement and seeing how it rolls.  I don't think that makes people suckers.  McDermott and Beane are both football professionals who have had some success on a SB team, and they will live or die as football professionals according to the decisions they are making now on the Bills.  I have a firm seat on the sidelines, so why not settle in and watch with an open mind?

 

 

To be clear - I don’t think folks are suckers for keeping an open mind - I have an issue with people parroting the ever-changing explanations coming out of McD’s mouth as if this situation was both unavoidable and planned.  I don’t think either is the case.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

To be clear - I don’t think folks are suckers for keeping an open mind - I have an issue with people parroting the ever-changing explanations coming out of McD’s mouth as if this situation was both unavoidable and planned.  I don’t think either is the case.

 

Fair.  I agree with you that it isn't rational to think that McDermott planned for the team to be hideously, embarrassingly bad or to trade AJ/start Peterman only to give him the hook again after 2 quarters.  I think they felt Trent Murphy, Star Lotulelei, Vontae Davis, Russ Bodine, and Marshall Newhouse would all contribute much more than they have.

[Punching Bag]

On 9/18/2018 at 9:02 AM, major said:

Davis retiring abruptly reminded me of anquan boldin last year leaving right before the season. 

Oh he wants to play for Pats*?

23 hours ago, sleeby said:

What do you base that on?  Esp?  Premonitions?  Vivid dreams of being on the pegula's yacht?  Do you have a friend who heard from a friend who heard it from another that this was so? 

 

Tuesday has had ESP in past - Extra Stupid Posts if you do not know what it stands for. I think in this case he has connections to Dunkirk Don and that guy who used to work in BIlls locker room as towel boy but was fired for passing information.

[Punching Bag]

23 hours ago, Trogdor said:

That was a theory, but looking at every single move since then it's hard to justify. Whaley was so great with FAs. 

 

Whaley's team did the scouting - both college and post-college with McD making choices with presumably input from coaches on staff.  Zay Jones' coach was WR coach at Eastern Carolina and he pushed heavily to draft Jones.  Coach MdD did not have a lot of offense experience nor college experience so he depended on Whaley's team portfolios before firing every one of them.

[blacklabel]

Meh. That's what I think when I hear Preston Brown. I think he's a serviceable player but overall, he's just another guy.

 

He can talk all he wants about weird stuff going on up here. He completely checked out for both seasons that Rex was here because he didn't like the scheme. Not that I blame him, because Rex had to come in here and fudge up a perfectly decent defense. But, as the leader on defense, you're expected to set the tone/example for the other guys and he didn't wanna do that because he didn't like the scheme. And he probably wasn't held accountable for it while Rex was here. Now Buffalo fields a coach who's all about accountability and it's "weird stuff." Whatever. 

[ganesh]

On 9/17/2018 at 10:38 PM, popcornpam said:

Bills are the turnstile of tha NFL.  The owner seem to be clueless. They better bring in a seasoned Football Guru to consult  ASAP.  A lot of damage has been done  

This is always concerning..>Why do you say the Owner seems clueless.. The owner like 31 other NFL team owners has selected a GM and HC to run their football operations.  There is nothing that they did is different from the other 31 teams.  Why do you call that Clueless?  What makes  a Owner SMART? Curious to know.