IDBillzFan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: Let's not worry about what others have to say especially when they have no emotional bond to WNY. Well that makes no sense. Don't you know there are pitchforks at the ready! We must totally gut this team again! That's the only way to build a winner! Keep gutting everything after one year when something happens we don't like! [/sarcasm] Translation: some people just love to piss on the team no matter what. 1 hour ago, Billzgobowlin said: Hard working players like Kyle Williams and Lorax? How about good signings like Poyer and Hyde or former player under McDerm like Star? Please stop with the common sense. We have people to piss on and your reasonable takes are holding up the party!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTown Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, wppete said: Yeah don't trust what McBean has to say. All this process talk is meaningless. Just win some games, we are not looking for role models we want WINS! I don't care about wins at this point. I question the "process" after the Star signing, no o_line upgrades, V. Davis quitting on his teammates, no back up OR veteran mentor for a ROOKIE, starting NP (both times), no viable WR at all, and watching players who performed great last year look horrible this year. I for one am not at all confident that Mc Clappy can right this ship. Edited September 17, 2018 by JTown 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, berg1029 said: I know that Vontae released that statement saying that his retiring had nothing to do with the Bill's players or coaching staff, but the optics of this are really bad. When you combine two bad losses with this.. things could get ugly. This is my latest concern. If this keeps up, players are going to get pissed and start dividing the locker room etc. It could get to a point like that season when Aaron Schoebel retired because it was such a tire fire. Then next year we'll have to run off all the guys that didn't "buy in" this year creating even more holes. What ever happened to win AND rebuild? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: This is my latest concern. If this keeps up, players are going to get pissed and start dividing the locker room etc. It could get to a point like that season when Aaron Schoebel retired because it was such a tire fire. Then next year we'll have to run off all the guys that didn't "buy in" this year creating even more holes. You're just starting rumors out of one, unknown incident. Stop that. Stop that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, JTown said: How dare you question "the process" you just have to have "patience" stop trying to think for yourself and let everyone at TBD do the thinking for you. You do understand that people have different opinions, correct? Maybe if you type the keyboard harder, it will get your point across better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTown Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: You do understand that people have different opinions, correct? Maybe if you type the keyboard harder, it will get your point across better. Read the entire thread...it was sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, JTown said: Read the entire thread...it was sarcasm Reading apparently is not my strong suit, my apologies, long night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, dneveu said: He's guaranteed nothing. 2 game checks, and maybe a % of signing bonus. i read $4MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 28 minutes ago, JTown said: How dare you question "the process" you just have to have "patience" stop trying to think for yourself and let everyone at TBD do the thinking for you. Aw, you're using my patience line. I'm touched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Spooky. Fictitious meeting notes with unnamed bills execs incoming. Too bad you'll be on purge, was really looking forward to the upcoming chapters of the conspiracy. Theres some weird stuff happening in this thread also...members masquerade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Vontae Davis has looked incapable of performing at an NFL level for well over a year now. He got burned early yesterday after being inactive week 1. He should have retired before September but at least he realized what many of us already saw. His time was up. If the team was performing better maybe Davis stays on the rest of the year as healthy scratch or comes off the bench here and there. His decision has nothing to do with the team and coaching staff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Vontae Davis has looked incapable of performing at an NFL level for well over a year now. He got burned early yesterday after being inactive week 1. He should have retired before September but at least he realized what many of us already saw. His time was up. If the team was performing better maybe Davis stays on the rest of the year as healthy scratch or comes off the bench here and there. His decision has nothing to do with the team and coaching staff. Reasonable take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Vontae Davis has looked incapable of performing at an NFL level for well over a year now. He got burned early yesterday after being inactive week 1. He should have retired before September but at least he realized what many of us already saw. His time was up. If the team was performing better maybe Davis stays on the rest of the year as healthy scratch or comes off the bench here and there. His decision has nothing to do with the team and coaching staff. Vontae had a good first half, yesterday. He forced a fumble that should’ve been bills ball. Potentially changing the course of the game. Refs made the wrong call. This is a sign of a major problem. A vet, who has a long respected career just doesn’t quit in the middle of the game, without significant reason. Edited September 17, 2018 by COTC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, COTC said: Vontae had a good first half, yesterday. He forced a fumble that should’ve been bills ball. Potentially changing the course of the game. Refs made the wrong call. This is a sign of a major problem. A vet, who has a long respected career just doesn’t quit in the middle of the game, without significant reason. He made one play. One. And didn’t even recover the fumble. No, he didn’t have a good first half. That’s why he went through with the retirement. He even admitted he couldn’t play anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: He made one play. One. And didn’t even recover the fumble. No, he didn’t have a good first half. That’s why he went through with the retirement. He even admitted he couldn’t play anymore. Oh come on yolo, He played decent and played much better than Gaines. That force fumble hit was nice. Vontae is being PC in his excuse. Edited September 17, 2018 by COTC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, SWATeam said: We're glad too, Preston. Yeah you a fan of our revamped run defense? With the clueless rookie back there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He made one play. One. And didn’t even recover the fumble. No, he didn’t have a good first half. That’s why he went through with the retirement. He even admitted he couldn’t play anymore. He wasn't credited with a forced fumble. I've been pretty drunk for a couple of days so I could be forgetting all sorts of stuff, but I recall Vontae getting burnt in coverage again early and then doing next to nothing until he ended his career. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Vontae Davis has looked incapable of performing at an NFL level for well over a year now. He got burned early yesterday after being inactive week 1. He should have retired before September but at least he realized what many of us already saw. His time was up. If the team was performing better maybe Davis stays on the rest of the year as healthy scratch or comes off the bench here and there. His decision has nothing to do with the team and coaching staff. Ok then. Why was he signed????? Edited September 17, 2018 by nedboy7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: He wasn't credited with a forced fumble. I've been pretty drunk for a couple of days so I could be forgetting all sorts of stuff, but I recall Vontae getting burnt in coverage again early and then doing next to nothing until he ended his career. I think that's Edmunds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He made one play. One. And didn’t even recover the fumble. No, he didn’t have a good first half. That’s why he went through with the retirement. He even admitted he couldn’t play anymore. Than what the heck was he doing on the roster? In the name of process and a throw away year, why wasn't a younger greener CB on the roster instead of Davis? Coach had to know he wasn't any good anymore, if he didn't he sucks as a coach. Everything about this process or Davis walking out or Brown going off or........ whatever, is a freaking **** show. I have to believe TPegs isn't very happy right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Ok then. Why was he signed????? The $64,000,000 question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 It's amazing how quickly their bodies can go to crap in some cases. Just a few years ago this guy was playing well. I legitimately remember thinking that Vontae moved like an old man during the Bills Embedded series. I think he made the right choice for himself Sunday afternoon. I have a feeling he truly believed he had one more year left and wanted to contribute to this team, but even he understood that he was a liability and that this move was addition by subtraction for the Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Ok then. Why was he signed????? Because he was really good a few years ago before injuries and age brought us to current. If Davis healed up and returned to form he would have been an excellent signing. He didn't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, reddogblitz said: The $64,000,000 question. Is Steve Harvey hosting that game show ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Because he was really good a few years ago before injuries and age brought us to current. If Davis healed up and returned to form he would have been an excellent signing. He didn't. They don’t work out guys? They watch 2 year old film? Come on man. This is a ooor signing. Most people knew this. The GM should be way ahead of the fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: You're almost fully turned on the McBeane Show, only two weeks in, huh! My loyal fans in sports, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 46 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: You do understand that people have different opinions, correct? Maybe if you type the keyboard harder, it will get your point across better. He's being facetious, Einstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: They don’t work out guys? They watch 2 year old film? Come on man. This is a ooor signing. Most people knew this. The GM should be way ahead of the fans. I didn't say it was a good signing, ned. You asked why he was signed, not if it was smart. I answered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 What Davis did was cowardly. As for Brown, he likely would have made more plays yesterday vs. a rookie in his second game. A year from now? Edmunds will do things Brown couldn't do ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Fadingpain said: He's being facetious, Einstein. I guess reading isnt your strong suit either skippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Dablitzkrieg said: I guess reading isnt your strong suit either skippy Choosey Mother's choose Jif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, reddogblitz said: Choosey Mother's choose Jif. No way Jose, Peter Pan FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: So you think Preston Brown would have been covering those crossing routes that were beating Edmunds.? So you think Edmunds is as skilled as Brown at recognizing that those crossing routes are coming? So you don’t think that the Ravens and Chargers were exploiting Edmunds’ inexperience as a 20 year old signal calling MLB? Edited September 17, 2018 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: So you think Edmunds is as skilled as Brown at recognizing that those crossing routes are coming? Who cares if Brown is skilled at recognizing them.....he physically cannot cover them. Edmunds can....he is making rookie mistakes (and played a pretty good game 1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Who cares if Brown is skilled at recognizing them.....he physically cannot cover them. Edmunds can....he is making rookie mistakes (and played a pretty good game 1) So .... what’s the major difference between last year and this year that explains the precipitous defensive decline? EJ Gaines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: What Davis did was cowardly. As for Brown, he likely would have made more plays yesterday vs. a rookie in his second game. A year from now? Edmunds will do things Brown couldn't do ever. Yes but would have been better to kept both considering our LB situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Limeaid said: Yes but would have been better to kept both considering our LB situation. Money. Talent. They did not see Brown as being good enough at MLB. Would have cost the millions to resign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: So .... what’s the major difference between last year and this year that explains the precipitous defensive decline? EJ Gaines? missed tackles.....bad secondary play.....lack of pass rush...... 3 points in the 2nd half of the chargers game though....Im thinking McD might hold onto the reigns on that 3 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Yes but would have been better to kept both considering our LB situation. Brown made out pretty good in free agency....he does not do what we need at MLB...the scheme just does not fit him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: So .... what’s the major difference between last year and this year that explains the precipitous defensive decline? EJ Gaines? The defense was getting gashed last year as well. We traded out best run stuffer in dareus.. But signed a worse run stuffer to a big contract.. kyle is 1 year older, lorenzo is 1 year older... we are thinner at DB... Poyer has regressed through 2 games very conservative play calling and no turnovers is a recipe for disaster Edited September 17, 2018 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Who cares if Brown is skilled at recognizing them.....he physically cannot cover them. Edmunds can....he is making rookie mistakes (and played a pretty good game 1) Look, you don’t have to be the Worlds Greatest Athlete to disrupt a play by recognizing and reacting. And the Worlds Greatest MLB Athlete is useless if he doesn’t recognize what’s coming at him. Don’t take it from me. Take it from PFF: “Rookie linebacker Tremaine Edmunds has the athletic ability that coaches crave in today’s NFL, but the Chargers targeted him early and often in this game. He got caught by multiple play-action fakes and was at times guilty of taking poor angles to the ball.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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