DieHardBillsFan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Vontae Davis makes the 4th player to Retire from the Bills, rather than play for the Bills, in a little over a year. I know Eric Wood was not by choice, but Anquan Boldin and Richie Incognito both seemed like they still wanted to play. Maybe McDermott isn't as inspirational as we all think he is. He has kept Kyle around at least. So far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 if it happens every week there might be a correlation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, DieHardBillsFan said: Anquan Boldin and Richie Incognito both seemed like they still wanted to play Have either of those guys played for another NFL team since they retired? If you say "it seems like they wanted to play", you'd think they'd be on an NFL roster at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBillsFan Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, rodneykm said: Have either of those guys played for another NFL team since they retired? If you say "it seems like they wanted to play", you'd think they'd be on an NFL roster at this point. Seemed, since they were added to the team and were playing for the Bills. Both had comments about wanting to come back out of retirement after leaving. Both did decide to retire while members of the Bills. I like McDermott, but this is starting to seem odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Wood retired due to injuries he didn't just up and quit. Richie went nuts but also had injuries. They both retired after the season with plenty of time for them to be replaced. I wouldn't say those two quit. Boldin and Davis Yeah They quit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Robinson Richie - INJ claim is only so they couldnt get that signing bonus Boldin Archer (though I dont think that was the McD regime) Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, DieHardBillsFan said: Vontae Davis makes the 4th player to Retire from the Bills, rather than play for the Bills, in a little over a year. I know Eric Wood was not by choice, but Anquan Boldin and Richie Incognito both seemed like they still wanted to play. Maybe McDermott isn't as inspirational as we all think he is. He has kept Kyle around at least. So far... I don't think you can make sense of Richie at all. He wanted to play, then did, now he does again....recently wanted to decapitate is dead father. Prior to that, he was held in a psych ward. I don't think Richie knows how to make a well thought out choice. Wood was forced to retire so it wasn't his choice. Boldin and Davis did quit. At least Boldin retired before the season started. That's not uncommon for a guy to be in camp late in their career and decide to hang them up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) Maybe the culture is too demanding for these guys to grind through a rebuild. Maybe they come from a country club locker room and don’t like not being coddled. Richie can’t count- he’s lost his mind. He accepted a pay cut to keep playing in Buffalo, then went all Jekal and Hyde. Wood wasn’t happy about leaving. I dont think there is anything to see here. Everyone knows its not a 2018 playoff team, but it could be a 2020 Super Bowl team. Boldin? He only Indicated interest in playing for pats afterward. Well sure, a one legged WR would take that one last shot at glory. Who wouldn’t?? Edited September 17, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Who was it that said if the player is thinking about retirement they are already done playing ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Maybe the diva players that choose retirement over being here arent used to not getting diva treatment. Obviously EW70 is excluded from that due to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 30 minutes ago, row_33 said: if it happens every week there might be a correlation And to a bunch of other teams too but in a much classier way than the way Davis did it . This year alone there has been quite a few retirements before the actual season started ! This year Eric Decker, Ritchie Incognito, Vontae Davis, all retired during the start of the pre or regular season & there are quite a few more that decided just prior to the preseason like DeMarco Murray that called it a career so maybe it's just the changing of the guard or something in the water !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBillsFan Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Maybe the culture is too demanding for these guys to grind through a rebuild. Maybe they come from a country club locker room and don’t like not being coddled. Richie can’t count- he’s lost his mind. He accepted a pay cut to keep playing in Buffalo, then went all Jekal and Hyde. Wood wasn’t happy about leaving. I dont think there is anything to see here. Everyone knows its not a 2018 playoff team, but it could be a 2020 Super Bowl team. I would have completely agreed to all this, until Vontae Davis quit mid-game. This is what made me take a second look. It's unprecedented. Especially for someone uninjured, was going to play, and a respected player in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, T master said: And to a bunch of other teams too but in a much classier way than the way Davis did it . This year alone there has been quite a few retirements before the actual season started ! This year Eric Decker, Ritchie Incognito, Vontae Davis, all retired during the start of the pre or regular season & there are quite a few more that decided just prior to the preseason like DeMarco Murray that called it a career so maybe it's just the changing of the guard or something in the water !! Decker was going be cut and he knew it. Better to retire than be cut and never be signed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, T master said: And to a bunch of other teams too but in a much classier way than the way Davis did it . This year alone there has been quite a few retirements before the actual season started ! This year Eric Decker, Ritchie Incognito, Vontae Davis, all retired during the start of the pre or regular season & there are quite a few more that decided just prior to the preseason like DeMarco Murray that called it a career so maybe it's just the changing of the guard or something in the water !! it's a disappointing way for him to go out for a job like the NFL i would guess that once you've had enough, you've really had enough and there's no point going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Boldin was never really a Bill. That's ridiculous to add him. Incognito retired then said he was coming back. They waited for him to arrive back and he no showed, then they unretired him and released him. As OP pointed out, Wood was not by choice. That leaves Vontae......and this total thread fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) I'm surprised you don't see more players doing it. Imagine for a moment you're a 10-year vet with a beat up body, you're on a team that clearly is headed for a losing season, and you have millions of dollars in the bank. There are hundreds of pro athletes in that exact situation; considering the injury risk in the NFL now, I'm surprised anyone plays more than a couple years beyond their rookie contract anymore. That being said, I would expect players to retire early in the off-season rather than mid-game... Edited September 17, 2018 by skibum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Head cases........every one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 56 minutes ago, DieHardBillsFan said: Vontae Davis makes the 4th player to Retire from the Bills, rather than play for the Bills, in a little over a year. I know Eric Wood was not by choice, but Anquan Boldin and Richie Incognito both seemed like they still wanted to play. Maybe McDermott isn't as inspirational as we all think he is. He has kept Kyle around at least. So far... Davis: washed up. Boldin: where is he now??? Incognito: went crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Sweats said: Head cases........every one of them. more than a fair share of them 9 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Davis: washed up. Boldin: where is he now??? Incognito: went crazy. that's how it often ends getting out of it with your mind and health and sanity mostly intact seems like winning the lottery some also are set for life financially on top of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, DieHardBillsFan said: I would have completely agreed to all this, until Vontae Davis quit mid-game. This is what made me take a second look. It's unprecedented. Especially for someone uninjured, was going to play, and a respected player in the league. Two more reasons not to worry 1) it’s been pretty clear he shouldn’t be playing, he just realized it too. 2) the rest of the team was furious with him. If guys were ambivalent or sympathetic then it would speak to an issue, but the players showed zero empathy Edited September 17, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 he wasn't awarded a game ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBillsFan Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) It just seems that one of McDermott's strongest assets is to be inspirational. If this was as true as it seems then people would be lining up and not stepping out of line. Even if they were washed up or still in preseason or during a game, they chose to walk away under his watch. Edited September 17, 2018 by DieHardBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, DieHardBillsFan said: It just seems that one of McDermott's strongest assets is to be inspirational. If this was as true as it seems then people would be lining up and not stepping out of line. Even if they were washed up or still in preseason or during a game, they chose to walk away under his watch. Bro, let it go. Your examples are bogus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Bro, let it go. Your examples are bogus. it's what makes sports boards worth visiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 42 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: That leaves Vontae......and this total thread fail. Boom boom out go the lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Boom boom out go the lights. last one to retire please turn 'em out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, row_33 said: it's what makes sports boards worth visiting You know?--you're right! Who am I kidding? I come here for these wrecks! 11 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Boom boom out go the lights. Dude's thread crashes and burns and he's still adjusting his seatbelt and perusing the in flight menu... Edited September 17, 2018 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: You know?--you're right! Who am I kidding? I come here for these wrecks! sometimes i get to be that wreck, involves private warnings and not-so-private ones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, rodneykm said: Have either of those guys played for another NFL team since they retired? If you say "it seems like they wanted to play", you'd think they'd be on an NFL roster at this point. No way. The Bills own Boldin's rights, so if he wants to play, they gotta pay. The Cheats lost interest when they found out the Bills weren't just going to release him. Screw Boldin, he deserved it. I also love all the hand-wringing over Richard, like if he just stayed here, he wouldn't have gone bat$#!~ crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, row_33 said: sometimes i get to be that wreck, involves private warnings and not-so-private ones... check and check! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Wood retired due to injuries he didn't just up and quit. Richie went nuts but also had injuries. They both retired after the season with plenty of time for them to be replaced. I wouldn't say those two quit. Boldin and Davis Yeah They quit Clear evidence that McDermott and Beane's process causes injuries and mental illness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) Boldin and Davis were both finished. One realized he had lost a step before the season started. The other realized it after getting beaten like a rented mule several times. He was probably dog tired from the heat and just quit. Edited September 17, 2018 by JMF2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 hours ago, DieHardBillsFan said: Vontae Davis makes the 4th player to Retire from the Bills, rather than play for the Bills, in a little over a year. I know Eric Wood was not by choice, but Anquan Boldin and Richie Incognito both seemed like they still wanted to play. Maybe McDermott isn't as inspirational as we all think he is. He has kept Kyle around at least. So far... Correlation does not imply causation. Not with a sample size this small. Does a certain contingent of players around the league view Buffalo, NY as a Siberian gulag, the last place in the league they would want to end up? Probably! Is that ever going to change? Probably not. Is that at play with Davis and Boldin? I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Clear evidence that McDermott and Beane's process causes injuries and mental illness! Even "Buffalo Elvis" has "Trust the Process" on the back of his Guitar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 hours ago, DieHardBillsFan said: Vontae Davis makes the 4th player to Retire from the Bills, rather than play for the Bills, in a little over a year. I know Eric Wood was not by choice, but Anquan Boldin and Richie Incognito both seemed like they still wanted to play. Maybe McDermott isn't as inspirational as we all think he is. He has kept Kyle around at least. So far... Eric Wood retired because he was told if he didn't he risked permanent paralysis. What are you talking about? Oops, misread. Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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