Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Like Fitz. That guy is a bad man in Tampa. Scares the hell outta McD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Both would punt from inside the 40. Marrone is the better coach at this point but neither is at the forefront of innovation and where the game is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Ask me in 3-4 years Marrone is coaching a team on the upswing. If he maxs out at losing the AFCC than he's as accomplished as Rex Ryan. McD is coaching a team in the middle of a full-blown rebuild. And yes, they needed a full-blown rebuild. They were not going any higher than 9-8 with the team they had. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Marrone is a good coach and I hated how he left. I'm surprised that Hackett has turned Bortles career around. So there is something to these guys. That being said, we were a QB away from beating them in the playoffs last year. With their vastly superior roster and home field. We were in position to win. But.....Tuhrod. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 hours ago, Peter said: As I have said before, McBeane and others complaining about the roster is like the kid who killed his parents throwing himself at the mercy of the court because he is an orphan. LOL. There's so many other analogies you could've made, but I'm a fan of that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Ask Marcell Dareus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Yeah Doug Marrone can get production out of Dareus. I don't care if somebody is a lazy good for nothing squander of immense talent, that probably smokes weed too much and talks back to his coach.. if he's talented. LAWRENCE TAYLOR WOULDN'T BE A PROCESS PLAYER. You know what that tells me, McD is too chicken**** to do a large portion of his job description (motivating spoiled brats with money to play football) that he gives up and gives the character excuse. I:d take a coach that can get a cracked out 3 nights sleepless LT to be a monster and get 7 sacks over a coach that's too scared of one of the best players ever. Beane takes the easy way out by claiming he has a process 5-6 years so he has a rats *** of retaining his job. McD takes the easy way out refusing to work with difficult talent. Andre Holmes must spend his free time saving puppies to justify his spot. I'm sure he's really "coachable" but he's a crap receiver. McD would be terrified of Randy Moss. Rebuilding a team on character isn't what a good team does. They rebuild on players that regardless of what they do in their free time; they can be motivated by a good coach to beat ass on Sunday and cocaine binge to celebrate. I feel bad saying it, but damn, I love this post. But we'd rather go on about some tired cliche of lunch pals... lunch pals? These mother!@#$ers make millions and work for a billion dollar business, you think they're putting their hard hats on and bringing lunch pals to !@#$ing work? Because that's Buffalo! That **** makes me nauseous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 They both suck 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, QB Bills said: They both suck I would say they are both cut from the same cloth and very traditional, go by the book, "football coaches." The type that aren't going to exist in another 10 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Bob in STL said: Close. Marine had better talent and now he has Coughlin. That helps. But what about Marrone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Wonder what would have happened had pegula chose marrone, with polian choosing a gm over russ brandon and whaley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 7 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Yeah Doug Marrone can get production out of Dareus. I don't care if somebody is a lazy good for nothing squander of immense talent, that probably smokes weed too much and talks back to his coach.. if he's talented. LAWRENCE TAYLOR WOULDN'T BE A PROCESS PLAYER. You know what that tells me, McD is too chicken**** to do a large portion of his job description (motivating spoiled brats with money to play football) that he gives up and gives the character excuse. I:d take a coach that can get a cracked out 3 nights sleepless LT to be a monster and get 7 sacks over a coach that's too scared of one of the best players ever. Beane takes the easy way out by claiming he has a process 5-6 years so he has a rats *** of retaining his job. McD takes the easy way out refusing to work with difficult talent. Andre Holmes must spend his free time saving puppies to justify his spot. I'm sure he's really "coachable" but he's a crap receiver. McD would be terrified of Randy Moss. Rebuilding a team on character isn't what a good team does. They rebuild on players that regardless of what they do in their free time; they can be motivated by a good coach to beat ass on Sunday and cocaine binge to celebrate. Wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Wtf This is what this board is now. I've come to accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 11 hours ago, Bangarang said: Why do people keep saying this as if McD and B.B. inherited this mess of a team? They are the ones who created this roster. Absolutely, I don't feel sorry for these two clowns, they get what they deserve. They are the ones that ran all the talent off this roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 11 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: To me, the answer is Doug. Great preparedness, teams rarely got blown out. What say you? Marrone went to a situation where the Jags have 6 1st rounders on defense. And a bunch of cap money. Mc Dermott is rebuilding. There were times when Marrone teams in Buffalo we out matched. There should be no comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, BBills88 said: Marrone went to a situation where the Jags have 6 1st rounders on defense. And a bunch of cap money. Mc Dermott is rebuilding. There were times when Marrone teams in Buffalo we out matched. There should be no comparisons. Exactly. Jacksonville sucked for a LONG time. They built this team during an era of absolute suckitude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: This is what this board is now. I've come to accept it. It's Humor Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said: It's Humor Joe. Quote Yeah Doug Marrone can get production out of Dareus. I don't care if somebody is a lazy good for nothing squander of immense talent, that probably smokes weed too much and talks back to his coach.. if he's talented. LAWRENCE TAYLOR WOULDN'T BE A PROCESS PLAYER. You know what that tells me, McD is too chicken**** to do a large portion of his job description (motivating spoiled brats with money to play football) that he gives up and gives the character excuse. I:d take a coach that can get a cracked out 3 nights sleepless LT to be a monster and get 7 sacks over a coach that's too scared of one of the best players ever. Beane takes the easy way out by claiming he has a process 5-6 years so he has a rats *** of retaining his job. McD takes the easy way out refusing to work with difficult talent. Andre Holmes must spend his free time saving puppies to justify his spot. I'm sure he's really "coachable" but he's a crap receiver. McD would be terrified of Randy Moss. Rebuilding a team on character isn't what a good team does. They rebuild on players that regardless of what they do in their free time; they can be motivated by a good coach to beat ass on Sunday and cocaine binge to celebrate. Where's the punchline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Where's the punchline? They're motivated by a team sponsored cocaine binge after a win. See it's funny because.. ah forget it. Let's just keep grabbing choir boys to play football. This board's gone to hell Joe you're right. I wonder why.. could be because we look hopeless every game we play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I've said it a hundred times that I don't blame Marrone for leaving. No good HC would work with Russ and Whaley pulling the strings. If the Pegula's would have cleaned house and fired everyone from the failed Wilson era I believe Marrone would still be the HC right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said: Wtf Is he wrong though? How much talent have we lost/bypassed because they might not be the highest character players. Im not saying sign Greg Hardy but at you cant deny mcderms blinders have cost us potential talent for what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) Yes, Marrone is better IMO. His personality sucks, but faith based McClappity doesn't have the greatest personality either. Marrone was smart enough to see that Whaley + Brandon = **** show He was smart to get the hell out, look at him now! Edited September 17, 2018 by PeterDude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I've said it a hundred times that I don't blame Marrone for leaving. No good HC would work with Russ and Whaley pulling the strings. If the Pegula's would have cleaned house and fired everyone from the failed Wilson era I believe Marrone would still be the HC right now. Maybe, personally I would have gone the Whaley/Schwartz route though. The Rex thing was Really asinine 2 hours ago, BillsFan17 said: Wtf It's obviously heavily satirical man. We have a guy that I'm positive would have traded Randy Moss in his prime for a can of beans when he got control of the roster. Like it or not but much of a coaches job is to babysit talented players that have been treated like royalty their entire football careers. Marrone does that. McD doesn't. McD would have traded Jalen Ramsay by now. Edited September 17, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, PeterDude said: Yes, Marrone is better IMO. His personality sucks, but faith based McClappity doesn't have the greatest personality either. what's a McClappity? you've been doing a fine job trolling this board since you signed up with your new account. as for the topic at hand. at his point, yes Marrone is a better HC then McDermott based on his tenure. he has what looks to be a complete team to work with as far as talent and that team dominated brady boy and the patsies yesterday and look to be the team to beat in the AFC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Whats worse? Marrones stupid mug and attitude, or Mcderms stupid motivation clapping while were down 40 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Like it or not but much of a coaches job is to babysit talented players that have been treated like royalty their entire football careers. Marrone does that. McD doesn't. I agree. I do not think what McDermott is doing is the right approach. This is why the faith based part of it annoys me to no end. He only wants a certain type of person (like religions) so they will follow the pied piper (like religions) without too many questions (like religions). You win in this league with talent, not religion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I'd have to say Doug is better currently, but the McDermott has a higher ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, PeterDude said: I agree. I do not think what McDermott is doing is the right approach. This is why the faith based part of it annoys me to no end. He only wants a certain type of person (like religions) so they will follow the pied piper (like religions) without too many questions (like religions). You win in this league with talent, not religion. My god, the way you put it makes it sound infinitely worse hahaha. Well put sir. Guy's let's just admit it. We're scumbag fans for not being entertained by Sunday blowouts. We are the worst fans ever. We can't even trust the process. It's time for each and every one of us to take long hard look in the mirror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, PeterDude said: I agree. I do not think what McDermott is doing is the right approach. This is why the faith based part of it annoys me to no end. He only wants a certain type of person (like religions) so they will follow the pied piper (like religions) without too many questions (like religions). You win in this league with talent, not religion. I think your issue is more with religion than McDermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, rodneykm said: I think your issue is more with religion than McDermott. From what I can tell, it is a big part of his decision making process. I think that is a problem when it comes to building a winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, rodneykm said: I think your issue is more with religion than McDermott. it's an exaggeration. He's making the point that McDermott is too invested in character (as he signs Vontae Davis lol). The criticisms aren't supposed to be taken literally, they're a form of argument to establish a point. Just now, PeterDude said: From what I can tell, it is a big part of his decision making process. I think that is a problem when it comes to building a winning team. ^ I'm speaking for you but I don't think he's literally roster building with Baptist Christians haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: it's an exaggeration. He's making the point that McDermott is too invested in character (as he signs Vontae Davis lol). The criticisms aren't supposed to be taken literally, they're a form of argument to establish a point. If signing Vontae Davis is a lol to you ( character issues I take it ), then doesn't that go against the notion that he's "too invested in character" argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, rodneykm said: If signing Vontae Davis is a lol to you ( character issues I take it ), then doesn't that go against the notion that he's "too invested in character" argument? I think it shows he's not good at evaluating character for a guy so invested in character. So he's not even being good at getting high character guys. I don't think Watkins would retire at halftime week 2, but that's just me. He didn't fit the process though, but Vontae did! Edited September 17, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, rodneykm said: If signing Vontae Davis is a lol to you ( character issues I take it ), then doesn't that go against the notion that he's "too invested in character" argument? I don't recall Davis having a reputation as a bad character player, quite the opposite from my memory. The fact that he quit on McDermott I think says a lot more about McDermott and his process than it does about Davis. Davis saw the tire fire/train wreck from the inside. Seems like he decided he didn't want his career to end like that... OR McDermott totally mis-evaluated Davis' character. Not sure which scenario is worse. Forgoing talented players for high character and then whiffing on the high character part. Edited September 17, 2018 by PeterDude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I'm sure if McDermott had that defense, he would look good as well. That is by far, the best defense in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I think it shows he's not good at evaluating character for a guy so invested in character. So he's not even being good at getting high character guys. My point is the assumption, and thats exactly what it is, that his primary focus is on high character guys is not really backed by much more than a few comments here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Dablitzkrieg said: I'm sure if McDermott had that defense, he would look good as well. That is by far, the best defense in the league That's true he would. But at the same token I'm sure he would have traded Jalen Ramsay, and *ahem* we're pretty sure we know what he'd do with Dareus. So he wouldn't have the best defense in the league. Because he's a "my way or the highway" kind of coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, PeterDude said: I don't recall Davis having a reputation as a bad character player, quite the opposite from my memory. The fact that he quit on McDermott I think says a lot more about McDermott and his process than it does about Davis. Davis saw the tire fire/train wreck from the inside. Seems like he decided he didn't want his career to end like that... Just like Boldin, who is an extremely well respected guy around the league. Saw this regime up close and got the heck out of town. Richie is Richie, but in the last 13 months there have been 3 long time NFL vets who quit on this team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 St. Doug showed potential in Buffalo. He stuck to his guns and left a team he felt he couldn't be successful working for. He took a lesser position on another team ended up being HC again and you can't argue with the results so far. I would say that Doug definitely has a place in the NFL as a HC. I would predict his seat is safe for awhile and when it's not other seats will be available for him. Sean McDermott is another first time HC just like Doug was when he started. The team held about the same record but managed to break the drought. I can't answer the question. It's easy to hate on Sean McDermott because of how the team looks right now. I'm definitely dissapointed in the defense considering that's his specialty and that is where the rescources went. Sean Definitely isn't as established as Doug is at the moment. I don't think he has proven he has earned a seat in the NFL as a HC yet. I believe in Sean McDermott still. I'll let a bad season slide. Especially if Josh Allen can develop in the mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lfod said: Especially if Josh Allen can develop in the mess. It's hard to trust the coaches McDermott has surrounded Allen with. If Allen develops it's almost like he has to figure it out himself, that sounds like a complete opposite approach to say what Mahomes went/is going through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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