Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, White Linen said: I hope we are in on trading for him. You don’t trade for a player who is released. But exactly how many Brown reject reclamation project WR do you think the Bills need to distract themselves with, and why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) They should sign him immediately. He comes in day 1 and is the best WR on this team. And there is Zero risk Edited September 16, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: And also a completely unreliable addict. But hey. Whatever. No kidding. You don't think I know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You don’t trade for a player who is released. But exactly how many Brown reject reclamation project WR do you think the Bills need to distract themselves with, and why? Someone is likely going to trade for him if five teams immediately called to ask about him. It surely won't be much, but the Browns will probably get something. Edited September 16, 2018 by Kelly the Dog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, CSBill said: yes, he would be worth trading for .... the right trade that is (assuming it is draft picks, the right combo could work) I'd offer our 2019 5th round pick we got from the Raiders in the McCarron trade 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, RPbillsfan said: I'd offer our 2019 5th round pick we got from the Raiders in the McCarron trade Yeah do that. There is zero risk here he comes in and is a No 1 WR day one. He makes Allen and this Offense better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Sign him Immediately The biggest surprise, literally EVER. 2 minutes ago, White Linen said: No kidding. You don't think I know that? Apparently, you don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: You don’t trade for a player who is released. But exactly how many Brown reject reclamation project WR do you think the Bills need to distract themselves with, and why? Word is they were releasing him Monday, giving teams the opportunity to trade for him. He becomes a full fledged FA, available to highest bidder/his choice, since he's been in the league long enough that he won't go to waivers from what I read. A trade means you have him under control at minimum salary until the end of the season, and his rights can be tendered with and of the tags at that point. I'm not advocating to trade for him, just saying that's why teams would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You don’t trade for a player who is released. But exactly how many Brown reject reclamation project WR do you think the Bills need to distract themselves with, and why? What? Of course you do - then you're the team that gets him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 100% need to put in a waiver claim. Robert Foster isn't an NFL calibre player and Josh Gordon would represent a real threat defenses have to scheme for. He's an elite deep threat who Josh Allen would thrive at throwing the ball to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Does he inow where to line up? I read that's a big plus these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Apparently, you don't care. I care but I have admitted before I have a soft spot for Gordon. He just seems like too good of a young man to be doing this. I don't see him as a hopeless case, I guess is what it boils down to for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, White Linen said: I care but I have admitted before I have a soft spot for Gordon. He just seems like too good of a young man to be doing this. I don't see him as a hopeless case, I guess is what it boils down to for me. What about his history over the past five years gives you THAT impression? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Lets just say they trade for him and give up 4th or 5th rounder. He comes in stays out of trouble and plays well. Then what? Who is going to ink that guy to any long term contract with guaranteed money. How are you going to trust he can stay out of trouble? I love the talent but what kind of contract do you draw up to protect yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I get folks wanting talent like maggots on poop, but wasnt Coleman enough? I personally dont let it get me bent out of shape, but all the arm chair qbs who called that a waste after the fact as well as the national media who got a laugh out of it would be all over this too. Cutting off the nose to spite the face imo. That said i guess its pretty easy to flip flop after if it didnt work out lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, joesixpack said: The biggest surprise, literally EVER. Apparently, you don't care. I run it thru my only question I ask this year. Does this player Help Josh Allen? they answer is yes. So therefore I am in on signing him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: I run it thru my only question I ask this year. Does this player Help Josh Allen? they answer is yes. So therefore I am in on signing him. Well, that and he lacks any semblance of character, amirite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: 100% need to put in a waiver claim. Robert Foster isn't an NFL calibre player and Josh Gordon would represent a real threat defenses have to scheme for. He's an elite deep threat who Josh Allen would thrive at throwing the ball to. See my post a couple above yours He will not go to waivers He is an unrestricted FA if they cut him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 In five games last year with kizer put up 335 yards. Imagine him with allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Well, that and he lacks any semblance of character, amirite? Sure it would tell me that the coaching staff does see talent over a bunch of Kieth Ellisons. Then again I would have brought in Bryant as well once he was cut (as he is still not suspended from what I think). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: What about his history over the past five years gives you THAT impression? Just listening to him talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Well, that and he lacks any semblance of character, amirite? Maybe he can find some drugs to wake up our oline, since they looked asleep last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDiehard Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Gordon is a vested vet and is not subject to waivers. So if he is cut, he is a free agent and can sign where he wants, for what he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Him and ScottLaw: "iTs cUz He iSnT cHrIsTiAn" Hey don't forget me! You quivering lipped mooks need someone to blame for 47-3.? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, White Linen said: Just listening to him talk. Talk is cheap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, joesixpack said: What about his history over the past five years gives you THAT impression? I read a lot about him and I think that way too. I used to think he must just be an idiot until I took a deep dive. He's a really interesting guy and not at all just a jerk or worthless addict. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Talk is cheap. True but I get that - I want to help him feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: I read a lot about him and I think that way too. I used to think he must just be an idiot until I took a deep dive. He's a really interesting guy and not at all just a jerk or worthless addict. Well, apparently the browns disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Well, apparently the browns disagree. C'mon man, you asked why and we answered you. I've been rooting for this young man to succeed for several years because I like him. Now with an opportunity for him to join the Bills my answer is yes. I think McD could be really good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Well, apparently the browns disagree. No, they kept him all this time and gave him 100 second chances partly because he was so good and equally because they knew he was not an ass. Dorsey is new. Probably said I have a zero tolerance policy and he did something. We don't know what it was yet. It's possible it was very dumb but not certain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 We should totally trade with the Browns again to get anotherof their useless WR. Then we should cut Gordon after 1 week. Gordon is trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I read a lot about him and I think that way too. I used to think he must just be an idiot until I took a deep dive. He's a really interesting guy and not at all just a jerk or worthless addict. He can be a really interesting guy and not a jerk, but if he can’t control his addiction and be all in and all there for his team, he isn’t very valuable as a football player I’m sure it’s not the same folks, but I’m amused that people complain about Watkins (always hurt) and Clay (disappears except against Miami) and Benjamin (appears occasionally when he feels energized or something) but want to bring in a guy who hasn’t been there for his team except sporadically. How would that differ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: No, they kept him all this time and gave him 100 second chances partly because he was so good and equally because they knew he was not an ass. Dorsey is new. Probably said I have a zero tolerance policy and he did something. We don't know what it was yet. It's possible it was very dumb but not certain. And net-net...what did he do with those 100 second chances? That's the bottom line here. It's not whether or not he's likeable, or smart, or interesting, or even talented. It's whether or not he can be relied upon to even show up. Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: He can be a really interesting guy and not a jerk, but if he can’t control his addiction and be all in and all there for his team, he isn’t very valuable as a football player I’m sure it’s not the same folks, but I’m amused that people complain about Watkins (always hurt) and Clay (disappears except against Miami) and Benjamin (appears occasionally when he feels energized or something) but want to bring in a guy who hasn’t been there for his team except sporadically. How would that differ? YES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, White Linen said: What? Of course you do - then you're the team that gets him. If you trade for him before he’s released, yes, but if he’s released, he’s a FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: If you trade for him before he’s released, yes, but if he’s released, he’s a FA Correct. That's why you trade for a player before he's released. You said you don't trade for a player who's about to be released. In the scenario where you want the player you do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I read a lot about him and I think that way too. I used to think he must just be an idiot until I took a deep dive. He's a really interesting guy and not at all just a jerk or worthless addict. Being an interesting guy is great and all, but if a team cant trust or depend on you to play on a week to week basis, then youre worthless at the NFL level. Its no different than the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He can be a really interesting guy and not a jerk, but if he can’t control his addiction and be all in and all there for his team, he isn’t very valuable as a football player I’m sure it’s not the same folks, but I’m amused that people complain about Watkins (always hurt) and Clay (disappears except against Miami) and Benjamin (appears occasionally when he feels energized or something) but want to bring in a guy who hasn’t been there for his team except sporadically. How would that differ? I didn't complain about Watkins or Clay and only mildly about KB. I want star players. I don't mind taking flyers or minor risks which this would be. Edited September 16, 2018 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, bobobonators said: Being an interesting guy is great and all, but if a team cant trust or depend on you to play on a week to week basis, then youre worthless at the NFL level. Its no different than the real world. Of course and you are correct. The question with Gordon is the what if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He can be a really interesting guy and not a jerk, but if he can’t control his addiction and be all in and all there for his team, he isn’t very valuable as a football player I’m sure it’s not the same folks, but I’m amused that people complain about Watkins (always hurt) and Clay (disappears except against Miami) and Benjamin (appears occasionally when he feels energized or something) but want to bring in a guy who hasn’t been there for his team except sporadically. How would that differ? It makes zero sense to compare the massive investments made in Watkins and Clay to the Gordon situation. If Beane is trading a pair of firsts for him or offering 10 million per year, then we should definitely have this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, bobobonators said: Being an interesting guy is great and all, but if a team cant trust or depend on you to play on a week to week basis, then youre worthless at the NFL level. Its no different than the real world. Nathan Peterman and his squeaky clean attitude is worthless at the NFL level too. That's why they can just be on a zero tolerance policy with him. He's not going to ruin the team or locker room. If the one out of ten or twenty possibilities hits, we win the lotto. I wouldn't bet on Josh Gordon. But the Bills are a better bet to win with Josh Gordon than without him because our WR are the very worst in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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