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McBeane gave Peterman his shot....

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2 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

What?  Vlad ran away from the defender and Groy got bowled over.  Both failed miserably. 

omg groy got tossed.

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17 hours ago, Commonsense said:

That’s the problem right there. While resetting the roster they let it get so bad that their best bet may be to waste a year of development for Allen. That’s a sad state for an NFL team and when Allen goes through his bumps the second year that’s a year closer towards his payday. The beauty of hitting on a first round QB is the five years of control at a minimal cost. These clowns don’t even have a roster where it’s safe to let him develop. 

 

That’s not how a professional team is supposed to be run. It’s a disgrace. 

 

Per all the experts Allen was a “project” with all the tools but not ready to start in Year 1. So maybe your HC planned for this and is hoping load up next year with young skill players and signing some FA lineman to protect Allen?

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IDK if they can afford to start Josh Allen if he struggles mightily but Darnold and Mayfield play well. Would instantly put him n the hotseat

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2 hours ago, FearLess Price said:

I agree with this. Lets at least wait till we get thru SD and Min. After that stretch of games, start the rookie.

 

It’s a difficult situation because it’s more than a little awkward to say “Yeah, we know we have to go to Allen, but we’re not doing it until we think he can survive physically and mentally, so we’re just going to throw Peterman out here for a few more games. Let him take the beating while we move up in the next draft.”  But that may just be what’s going to happen. Now, how do you explain that....without explaining that? 

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At this point you have to wonder does Peterman know how to throw a man open, does he process things slowly & because of that is that why he’s not an NFL caliber QB? Either way his lack of velocity, questionable durability, nerves, and unathleticism attribute to what we’ve seen so far on Sunday’s. I’m not sure how someone with so few ideal skills can get many more starts. 

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20 hours ago, Augie said:

 

He let him get shot by the firing squad. He’s the sacrificial lamb until we can block a little, maybe get open once in a while, and hopefully learn to catch. It is NOT about the next game, or even this year.   #SaveAllen

 

I prefer bringing Kap in and offering him up to the football Gods vs Nasty Nate if i'm being honest Augie.

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7 minutes ago, Figster said:

I prefer bringing Kap in and offering him up to the football Gods vs Nasty Nate if i'm being honest Augie.

Yeah, a polite little “no thank you” would be awkward at this point in time. 

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Man everyone needs to relax a little -  they played really really bad, but let’s play a few more games before we get the pitchforks out-  with that said there is no reason to delay the Allen era.

 

I bet 80% of the posters supported starting Peterman last week.

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If Allen starts Sunday and is still standing at the end of the game without the offense line getting him killed I'd consider that a victory in itself. 

 

Ideally I'd still like him to sit a few more weeks but on the flip side maybe baptism under fire may give him the foundation for both mental and physical toughness needed to play the full season.  Just trying to make the most of a screwed up situation. 

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I dont understand why Mcdermott wouldn't do with Allen what he did with Edmunds. Similar age both freaky athletes both a little raw.  Edmunds from first day at mini camp was groomed by McDermott to be the guy, how to lead.  While at the same time Allen was regulate to third and getting the least amount of first team reps.  Now 4 months later after 2 quarters of the first game Allen who was prepared to play the least by the coaching staff is the obvious player that needs to play.  Same blunder Obrien made, Lovie Smith and Jon Fox got fired for it.  It's a pretty big indictment of his evaluation and expectation of the position.

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4 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

At this point you have to wonder does Peterman know how to throw a man open, does he process things slowly & because of that is that why he’s not an NFL caliber QB? Either way his lack of velocity, questionable durability, nerves, and unathleticism attribute to what we’ve seen so far on Sunday’s. I’m not sure how someone with so few ideal skills can get many more starts. 

 

I can't figure out why the kid looks functional-to-decent in the preseason and then looks like a guy who won a "QB FOR THE DAY" fan contest in the regular season. 

 

I get it -- it's the preseason, blah, blah, blah... but still, he was able to execute the basic fundamentals of throwing and completing a pass to a receiver. 

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On 9/10/2018 at 5:05 PM, realtruelove said:

Because he "earned it"  My guess is McBeane already had Josh's backup on his radar and this game 1 audition was Peterman's last chance to prove he could play under "live" fire.  They intended for Allen to start very early in the season when they traded McCarron.  Watch them sign Paxton Lynch.

I hope you are right.

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On 9/10/2018 at 8:16 PM, gr8billsfan said:

im surprised anyone on the starting OL earned their job. Aside from Groy and Dawkins, everyone else must go. ESPECIALLY DucASSe

 

Most professionals appear to believe opposite but they did so last year as well.

On 9/10/2018 at 9:22 PM, greeneblitz said:

McDermott will never let his adopted son go!

 

He let handpicked coaches go who replacing coaches who were doing a good job so he will.

 

Your theory is nonsense.

 

On 9/10/2018 at 9:21 PM, Commonsense said:

He wasted snaps day after day on AJM, who isn’t even on the team anymore and Nate P. who is totally inept. They haven’t prioritized Allen’s development. It is a shame, the only solution they attempted on the offensive line was Bodine. Another mistake which could have been eliminated by Beane and his scouts simply looking at his former teams message boards. When fans are desperate to get a guy out of town does he ever go onto have success at his next stop? 

 

Posters on message boards rarely show common sense.  Fans are desperate to get rid of Vladimir Ducasse and professionals rate him the best guard we have.

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22 hours ago, Augie said:

 

It’s a difficult situation because it’s more than a little awkward to say “Yeah, we know we have to go to Allen, but we’re not doing it until we think he can survive physically and mentally, so we’re just going to throw Peterman out here for a few more games. Let him take the beating while we move up in the next draft.”  But that may just be what’s going to happen. Now, how do you explain that....without explaining that? 

 

Right, the coach speak is hard on that. You can blow off the media but how do you explain that to the team? You cant say that without killing the Olines confidence. He's gotta roll with nate for a few more weeks depending on how ready Allen looks in practice

 

 

17 hours ago, Mat68 said:

I dont understand why Mcdermott wouldn't do with Allen what he did with Edmunds. Similar age both freaky athletes both a little raw.  Edmunds from first day at mini camp was groomed by McDermott to be the guy, how to lead.  While at the same time Allen was regulate to third and getting the least amount of first team reps.  Now 4 months later after 2 quarters of the first game Allen who was prepared to play the least by the coaching staff is the obvious player that needs to play.  Same blunder Obrien made, Lovie Smith and Jon Fox got fired for it.  It's a pretty big indictment of his evaluation and expectation of the position.

 

What QB went through that Obrien decision you mentioned?

 

Agree on tc and ps. All those wasted reps on AJ. You can defend the NP reps..kind of....  still tho Smh. 

 

We kinda look like clowns for the way we handled FA and the draft as far as the OLine and WRs go.

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1 minute ago, FearLess Price said:

 

Right, the coach speak is hard on that. You can blow off the media but how do you explain that to the team? You cant say that without killing the Olines confidence. He's gotta roll with nate for a few more weeks depending on how ready Allen looks in practice

 

 

 

What QB went through that Obrien decision you mentioned?

 

Agree on tc and ps. All those wasted reps on AJ. You can defend the NP reps..kind of....  still tho Smh. 

 

We kinda look like clowns for the way we handled FA and the draft as far as the OLine and WRs go.

Last year Obrien did the identical move with Deshaun Watson.  Kept saying how he wasnt ready than after a first half similar to Baltimore Watson was brought in and they never looked back.  Really only difference for Allen's performance was that Benjamin dropped the Td that Hopkins caught for Watson.

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22 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

At this point you have to wonder does Peterman know how to throw a man open, does he process things slowly & because of that is that why he’s not an NFL caliber QB? Either way his lack of velocity, questionable durability, nerves, and unathleticism attribute to what we’ve seen so far on Sunday’s. I’m not sure how someone with so few ideal skills can get many more starts. 

That's why Peterman's collasall struggles are odd since throwing the man open was supposed to be one of his few strengths? Allen starting this soon behind a terrible OL will have one of 2 outcomes. 

1 David Carr- he gets the snot knocked out of him and never establishes confidence. 

2 Troy Aikman- he gets beat up his rookie year and goes on to have an amazing career.

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On ‎9‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 8:43 PM, longtimebillsfan said:

I hope you are right.

Peterman's shot was his last.  That's why they started him.  They KNOW Allen is the #1.  They were evaluating Peterman to see if he has any value at all.  It's only a matter of time before he's replaced.

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On 9/10/2018 at 8:03 PM, Augie said:

 

He let him get shot by the firing squad. He’s the sacrificial lamb until we can block a little, maybe get open once in a while, and hopefully learn to catch. It is NOT about the next game, or even this year.   #SaveAllen

 

 

On 9/11/2018 at 12:35 PM, gobillsatthebeach said:

I just don't understand why they traded McCarron when the QB's consist of a rookie and and 2nd year QB with 2 starts that resulted in 5 pics in the first half and zero complete games behind a reshuffled, vastly downgraded O-line.  They could afford his cap - they signed him.  He would be no worse than Peterman and another player to take snaps to provide time for Allen's development.

It’s wasn’t about the cap space more of a roaster spot , 

hes still cashing checks singed by Pegula 

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The NFL is a tough place. All Peterman was doing was trying to win. It didn't work out for him and that is to bad. It would of been nice if he could have gotten some success but clearly that isn't happening.

 

Look at the bright side Nate Peterman in a way will always be legend, unless somebody else decides to make a worse debut into the NFL.

 

I legitimately feel bad for Nate but it's Allen time and all I can do is hope for the best with the next experiment at QB. 

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44 minutes ago, Lfod said:

The NFL is a tough place. All Peterman was doing was trying to win. It didn't work out for him and that is to bad. It would of been nice if he could have gotten some success but clearly that isn't happening.

 

Look at the bright side Nate Peterman in a way will always be legend, unless somebody else decides to make a worse debut into the NFL.

 

I legitimately feel bad for Nate but it's Allen time and all I can do is hope for the best with the next experiment at QB. 

You're right about that.  Nate's name will be referenced around here long after most of the other names of his teammates are forgotten.

 

 

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On 9/11/2018 at 9:38 PM, twoandfourteen said:

 

I can't figure out why the kid looks functional-to-decent in the preseason and then looks like a guy who won a "QB FOR THE DAY" fan contest in the regular season. 

 

I get it -- it's the preseason, blah, blah, blah... but still, he was able to execute the basic fundamentals of throwing and completing a pass to a receiver. 

 

So did EJ and JP. How is this something people can't figure out?

 

Just saying I get it, preseason blah blah blah does nothing to dismiss the point of how the preseason is a useless barometer. You're showing you don't get it. 

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On 9/10/2018 at 7:05 PM, realtruelove said:

Because he "earned it"  My guess is McBeane already had Josh's backup on his radar and this game 1 audition was Peterman's last chance to prove he could play under "live" fire.  They intended for Allen to start very early in the season when they traded McCarron.  Watch them sign Paxton Lynch.

 

McBeane didn't give anyone a real shot. The coaching staff doesn't actually know what they're doing. They're reacting and panicking, going day by day. McDermott says he's starting Allen because it's "what's best for the franchise" it's obvious he doesn't actually know what that is! Just a few days ago Peterman was what was best for the franchise as the starter...A week ago, McCarron being traded was what was best for the franchise. Last year benching Tyrod was what was best for the franchise. 

When it comes to QB's, he's just guessing. 

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