YoloinOhio Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Think about all of our 1st round picks over the last 15 years. How many pairs of them would you take over Mack? People need to stop overvaluing draft picks. Get good players. We have plenty of draft picks left over after these trades and we never pick the right guys anyway. I know, right? I mean, we just spent two first round picks on Allen and Edmunds, and everyone knows they are both complete busts. McBeane must go! Gut the whole place!. Start again! Get in a new GM and coach so we can start predicting failure on a new crop of people! I swear, sometimes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: The Bills lack a foundation right now. Can’t build that without picks. The roster is closer to one giant hole than anything else. Mack had value to them and they offered something in line with that price. By the time this team is ready to contend Mack will be close to 30. I really see this so much differently than most of you. You have your QB. Passrusher is the next most important position. You have the chance to add your first blue chip player in what - two plus decades? - who also happens to be a local star whose merch will fly off the shelves. NOW is exactly the time to make a bold move like this. Still have plenty of cap room next offseason to add offensive linemen and a corner. Whereas the Corey Coleman move - trade a pick and salary for a two-week tryout of a high draft pick - is the kind of move you make when you have very few holes on the roster and you’re contending and looking for some depth for the title run... In my view Beane (and some of you) has it backwards. Edited September 1, 2018 by Coach Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Glad the Bills didnt get into a bidding war. The Bears got absolutely fleeced. The market for Mack should have been closer to what the Patriots got for Chandler Jones and that wasnt even a first. Only a few players in the league are worth more than one first and they are both quarterbacks. If Trubisky sucks the Bears will have a long hole to climb out of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I really see this so much differently than most of you. You have your QB. Passrusher is the next most important position. You have the chance to add your first blue chip player in what - two plus decades? - who also happens to be a local star whose merch will fly off the shelves. NOW is exactly the time to make a bold move like this. Whereas the Corey Coleman move - trade a pick and salary for a two-week tryout of a high draft pick - is the kind of move you make when you have very few holes on the roster and you’re contending and looking for some depth for the title run... In my view Beane (and some of you) has it backwards. I'm all-in on Mack-type talent, but lets wait to see what the Bears traded b/c so far I've read it's two first round picks plus more. So the Bills would have to beat that. How much would you want to possibly give up then? 3 first round picks for Mack? At what point does it just get silly? Edited September 1, 2018 by bobobonators 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 49 minutes ago, Doc said: How do you figure? Did they make the playoffs last year? Has anyone even seen their starting offense in pre-season? 1. Having your QB in place with a year under his belt 2. I assume you saw the Benoit tweet in the thread about their D 3. Which O-line would you want? we have Shady is about all one can point to for the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I really see this so much differently than most of you. You have your QB. Passrusher is the next most important position. You have the chance to add your first blue chip player in what - two plus decades? - who also happens to be a local star whose merch will fly off the shelves. NOW is exactly the time to make a bold move like this. Still have plenty of cap room next offseason to add offensive linemen and a corner. Whereas the Corey Coleman move - trade a pick and salary for a two-week tryout of a high draft pick - is the kind of move you make when you have very few holes on the roster and you’re contending and looking for some depth for the title run... In my view Beane (and some of you) has it backwards. Oh, for crying out loud, it's a 7th round pick in 2020...that's practically negative value. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Whoever thinks trading 2 first rounders and paying Mack 22m+ a year is a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I really see this so much differently than most of you. You have your QB. Passrusher is the next most important position. You have the chance to add your first blue chip player in what - two plus decades? Very good chance we'll be in a position to draft a blue chip pass rusher next year. And I still would have been fine giving that up for Mack. But we're also talking about losing our 2020 1st rounder and other picks along with it. And close to $25 million in cap space. There's no way you can rationalize that. As much as I wanted Mack it only takes one crazy team to push everyone else out of the running and the Bears were that team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: I really see this so much differently than most of you. You have your QB. Passrusher is the next most important position. You have the chance to add your first blue chip player in what - two plus decades? - who also happens to be a local star whose merch will fly off the shelves. NOW is exactly the time to make a bold move like this. Whereas the Corey Coleman move - trade a pick and salary for a two-week tryout of a high draft pick - is the kind of move you make when you have very few holes on the roster and you’re contending and looking for some depth for the title run... In my view Beane (and some of you) has it backwards. Coleman wasn’t a move for depth. There is one starter quality WR on this roster. Coleman was a flyer on a guy that might pan out for little cost either way if it didn’t work. Is Mack blue chip ? Absolutely. Pass rushers are important, but Mack wouldn’t get the Bills much closer to contention any time soon. Sure, great splash move and he’d be popular. I wouldn’t hate watching him. Reality is this OL needs at least two stud players, a true star WR will be needed as well. 2019 looks to be a tremdous draft for DL talent and the Bills pick will be a high one. I get trying to draft their own stars at the cornerstone positions and have them on low salaries for awhile while filling holes in FA. That seems to be their template. I’d suspect that if they drafted QB 1 last year and he played substantial time they may have been more willing to part with 2019 first. Just not a fit with their master plan. Mack trade would have seemed Whaley- ish to me. Window dressing so you don’t notice the cracks in the foundation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Very good chance we'll be in a position to draft a prospect who could develop into a top tier pass rusher FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) And of these players, how many went on to have stellar careers that justified the two picks? I would say one: Eric Dickerson. Maybe Keyshawn J and Joey Galloway, maybe Hershal Walker??? That's it! Edited September 1, 2018 by CSBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 There is a difference between not trying to swing a deal at all vs. making what you feel is a fair offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, HappyDays said: Very good chance we'll be in a position to draft a blue chip pass rusher next year. And I still would have been fine giving that up for Mack. But we're also talking about losing our 2020 1st rounder and other picks along with it. And close to $25 million in cap space. There's no way you can rationalize that. As much as I wanted Mack it only takes one crazy team to push everyone else out of the running and the Bears were that team. Exactly. All reports say that the Bills made an offer, so it's not like we sat this one out; but at what point does the asking price just become ridiculous? We can't be swayed by the fact that he played college ball in Buffalo and trade away an entire draft for 1 player plus have his salary eat up 20% of the cap. I'm sure the bills offered either a 1st and Hughes or maybe a 2019 1st and 2020 2nd round pick. It looks like the Bears are giving up two 1st round picks plus additional picks or a player, which is kinda crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, CSBill said: And of these players, how many went on to have stellar careers that justified the two picks? I would say one: Eric Dickerson. Maybe Kesyshoneand Joey Galloway, maybe Hershal Walker??? That's it! Well the Herschel Walker trade led to championships.......for Dallas, who traded him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: In my view That's your whole problem right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I really see this so much differently than most of you. You have your QB. Passrusher is the next most important position. You have the chance to add your first blue chip player in what - two plus decades? - who also happens to be a local star whose merch will fly off the shelves. NOW is exactly the time to make a bold move like this. Still have plenty of cap room next offseason to add offensive linemen and a corner. Whereas the Corey Coleman move - trade a pick and salary for a two-week tryout of a high draft pick - is the kind of move you make when you have very few holes on the roster and you’re contending and looking for some depth for the title run... In my view Beane (and some of you) has it backwards. The Bills have their QB? Is that a fact? They have who they believe is their QB and have surrounded him with literally no talent, besides Shady. Yes, Mack is a blue chip player, who played on a team that had their QB and what difference did that make? Again, I agree with you if this is happening this time, next year and the Bills know what they have in Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: No surprise there with the NYJ. Big market team always overshadowed by the Giants. FO on its last chance to save their jobs , so they care little about the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, CSBill said: And of these players, how many went on to have stellar careers that justified the two picks? I would say one: Eric Dickerson. Maybe Keyshawn J and Joey Galloway, maybe Hershal Walker??? That's it! Dickerson had one very good year after the trade to Indy. One. And they gave up a lot more than two picks for him. I would say not a single one of those trades worked out well for the team that traded picks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Coleman wasn’t a move for depth. There is one starter quality WR on this roster. Coleman was a flyer on a guy that might pan out for little cost either way if it didn’t work. Is Mack blue chip ? Absolutely. Pass rushers are important, but Mack wouldn’t get the Bills much closer to contention any time soon. Sure, great splash move and he’d be popular. I wouldn’t hate watching him. Reality is this OL needs at least two stud players, a true star WR will be needed as well. 2019 looks to be a tremdous draft for DL talent and the Bills pick will be a high one. I get trying to draft their own stars at the cornerstone positions and have them on low salaries for awhile while filling holes in FA. That seems to be their template. I’d suspect that if they drafted QB 1 last year and he played substantial time they may have been more willing to part with 2019 first. Just not a fit with their master plan. Mack trade would have seemed Whaley- ish to me. Window dressing so you don’t notice the cracks in the foundation. I get what you’re saying. I could argue it both ways. There are also multiple ways to win - this certainly doesn’t keep the Bills from winning, if they use their cap and pick resources the right way going forward. I just think - once you have your QB, start stockpiling talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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