What areas of the team has Beane actually improved?

[Ol Dirty B]

35 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Dareus trade: perfectly justifiable. Star signing: a real head scratcher. I'll grant you that. 

 

I didn't mind the Dareus trade that much, even though i was never a fan of the dead money. The Star signing made me dislike it even more. I understand why people wanted him out of town, Dareus wasn't playing up to that contract.

[John from Riverside]

Tight End for one

[Ol Dirty B]

42 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

He improved the salary cap. Next year they an start to build. The secondary has been upgraded too.

 

I believe all those moves in the secondary that improved the team were made before he was in Buffalo. I could be wrong.

6 minutes ago, Estro said:

QB - worse/same

RB - same

WR - worse

TE - better/same

OL - worse

 

DE - worse/same

DT - same

LB - worse

CB - same

S - better, way better

 Wasn't responsible for Hyde or Poyer in the slightest. 

Edited August 27, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Buffalo Barbarian]

QB, DL, LB

 

 

[Ol Dirty B]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

QB, DL, LB

 

 

 

We're about to start Peterman. Hopefully Allen pans out, but at this point, no QB is not an upgrade.

 

Not sure where on the DL the team is better.

 

LB is only better if Edmunds pans out.

 

You're 0/3 on improvements and didn't even include where the team has regressed. I understand they are in a transitional period, but he hasn't upgraded anything at this point.

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, QB Bills said:

Agree with most of this but I don't really get why everyone is in love with McDermott. We got really lucky last year in a weak year for the AFC.

 

He's just another in the long line of dinosaurs who will never have the balls to win anything big in this league. Playing it safe by punting on 4th and short near midfield in a meaningless preseason game when you are still in evaluation mode is just another example of how clueless this guy is. We're going nowhere with these two in charge. 

Sarcasm?

[North Buffalo]

Sp are the Bills tanking and any chance they could trade Shady for a number 1 next year or a couple of picks in the later rounds.  If the Bills start 0-5 or worse gotta think he will be on the block...  Gonna be a rough year if the O-lline doesn't come around.  Losing Richie and Wood both is a big blow to what the Bills were trying to accomplish this year...  Next year they need to draft at least 2 O-linemen, a number 1 receiver and a linebacker or sign Mack and sign a stoudt high end D interior lineman.  That is a lot to fill.  Haven't even looked at FAs who might be available next year.  Any young guys getting cut on O-line or D-line that might be worth PS signings to develop?

[Your brain broke]

All things considered i would have done the draft completely different. I didn't agree with a single pick Beane made. Even if i forgive him for trading all those draft picks for edmunds and allen, there were far better cb's available, and those wr picks...yikes. So many better one's sitting right there. 

[BullBuchanan]

3 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

Whaley also constructed a 9-7 team that was far more talented. He never sat on his hands, seemed to always be trying to improve the team. I really think his weakness in areas of communications, his presser, and the Pegulas being totally inept contributed to his down fall. I really think he came into a lot of dysfunction, if he was able to do the job the way a GM should be, I think he'd succeed. He brought in way more talent to this team than this current regime did. I know it's not a popular opinion, but when you look at it, what has the regime done? They really got lucky. Next year and the year after will be when we can crown them if they are good at their job.

 

I always liked Whaley from start to finish. Solid, if unspectacular drafts, and always found good players on the cheap to fill out rosters. What killed him is what kills every GM, the lack of a top tier QB.

[Ol Dirty B]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

I always liked Whaley from start to finish. Solid, if unspectacular drafts, and always found good players on the cheap to fill out rosters. What killed him is what kills every GM, the lack of a top tier QB.

 

Couldn't agree more. I think he knew it to. 

[BullBuchanan]

3 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

This stuff is too funny.. go talk to some Carolina fans about how their teams were built. They never had good receiving groups. Always middle priced vets. Of course Olsen and Benjamin.

they fielded some of the most pathetic defensive back groups ever. Older washed up safeties and undrafted or low draft pick corners. Carolina always has holes in certain areas they NEVER addressed or invested big money into. This team has been built a little differently but still the same model. 

The only way this plan works is if they DEVELOP young talent. 

 

Are you saying this is a good or bad thing? Outside of one miracle season, Carolina has never really been in a position to make a run. they're perennial pretenders. Cam couldn't win a Super Bowl if the other team didn't show up.

2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Couldn't agree more. I think he knew it to. 

 

He must have laughed when at his pick he has his choice of Mahomes or Watson, and for whatever reason knew they had to trade the pick and he'd never enjoy the fruits of the trade.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

Unfortunately GM Whaley had alot of garbage on the roster, we purged the garbage and now were trying to fill it in until we draft/pickup the non garbage.The purge took a year, now were slowly filling in the pieces... QB- check, RB- check, WR- incomplete, OL- big need, DL- check, LB- incomplete, secondary- imcomplete, Beane and McDermott have their work cut out for them but I think they're both more than capable of handling it.

[greeneblitz]

70 million in cap space next year, that when the real rebuilding begins.

 

All that matters this year is Josh Allen truly becoming our franchise QB.

Edited August 27, 2018 by greeneblitz

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Did you prefer Whaley?

His teams were talented. 

 

Beane is just getting started though. His #1 job was fix the cap. Then draft a QB. He's just starting to build. 

45 minutes ago, greeneblitz said:

70 million in cap space next year, that when the real rebuilding begins.

 

All that matters this year is Josh Allen truly becoming our franchise QB.

Josh Allen is the franchise QB. They just have to be smart. Don't play him until you're ready to develop a QB. There will be about a seasons worth of growing pains, maybe multiple seasons. Everyone has to be on the same page when they decide to start him. Starting him now means losing a lot of games while he learns. We must be prepared for that. 

Edited August 27, 2018 by TheTruthHurts

[Scott7975]

6 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

And this team went 9-7, won't go near it. Did nothing but bring in Star, Kaelin Clay, Davis, and got into the playoffs on a fluke play in a game they weren't playing.... And I'm supposed to praise them?

 

I'm saying Beane hasn't show he's better than Whaley to this point, at all. You guys are so concerned about the cap on here, it's crazy. People want to cut Clay at this point... You won't sign anyone near his value at any position at this point. It's pointless, I'd think the money is coming out of your guys hands the way you want to cut guys at the most inopportune times. The dead money is ridicolous, and what they have gotten in return for it, be it draft capital, or giving guys an opportunity, has been atrocious. 

 

They traded Dareus for nothing. We're paying him 13 mil to play in Jacksonville. They signed Star to an absurd contract to replace Dareus where he is getting 10 mil this year. He's getting another 10 if he plays next year, and 8 in dead money if he is cut. That's 23 million on one position this year, and odds are, Star doesn't even play to Dareus's level. That's awful management. The way you guys want to cut people on here and talk about contracts is absurd. They haven't shown to be good at that at all.

 

We were just better off keeping Dareus. That was an absolutely horrendous trade.

 

No. What I said has nothing to do with Beane. Two separate discussions. So far Beane has ripped the team down in efforts to fix the cap.  Drafts aren’t too bad but let’s see how he builds it next year when he has cap space. Too early to judge him imo just yet but he definitely shouldn’t get praises yet either. 

 

Also so my point about cap space was that it was used wrong. Not that it was used. If you’re against the cap without even paying a franchise Qb and the best you can muster is 9-7 than you’re in trouble. 

Edited August 27, 2018 by Scott7975

[Rc2catch]

3 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Are you saying this is a good or bad thing? Outside of one miracle season, Carolina has never really been in a position to make a run. they're perennial pretenders. Cam couldn't win a Super Bowl if the other team didn't show up.

 

 

I would say it’s a good thing. Carolina is hit and miss good. They can only really run a gimmicky offense with Cam so they are limited how far he can take them. But IF the young talent is developed at some of these weaker depth positions usually determines how good the team is. 

Offensive lineman, receiver and defensive backfield are always an issue for the panthers. And take a look at some of the guys they’ve grown there. Some of their better players the last ten years were very low draft picks who developed with good coaching into starting caliber players. Norwell I had to lookup was an UDFA, Norman in the 5th round, most of their receivers haven’t worked out very well at all. 

[DCOrange]

I don’t think it makes sense to ask this question in the middle of the tear-down process. Very few positions have improved in the past couple years but that is on purpose. If this remains true in 2 years, Beane is likely gone IMO, but for now, he’s prioritized accumulating draft picks and cap space over improving the roster and from that perspective, he has done well.

 

The signings of Star, Vontae, and Ivory still leave me scratching my head though. 

[MAJBobby]

7 hours ago, Yeezus said:

Brandon Beane came into this organization and shook up the roster more than any other past GM's I can think of. He made several headline trades that saw some of our best young talent getting shipped away for draft picks

 

It was risky but we needed the draft picks. 2 years later he got his QB and this is the squad we are left with. Holes everywhere on the squad. 

 

I love Mcdermott as a HC, I think given what he had to work with last season he did very well. But I'm not at all sold on Beane like 90% of this fanbase. I truly don't understand what he has done to improve this team in the last 2 years. Roster turnover is rather quick in the NFL. This isn't hockey or the NBA where we have to wait for years until a young core of players develops into elite talent. Beane traded away some of our best players and has yet to replace them. 2nd offseason in a row he has completely ignored the oline and we now objectively have the worst oline in the league. 

 

I can only think of the RB's and safety position groups that have improved since the Rex era. Our LB's are some of the worst in the league, Dline and the pass rush has disappeared, and our top ranked rush offense is no more.  

 

This season doesn't count, and shouldn't. But we are realistically 2-3 years away from competing. Beane has a lot of work to do next offseason. 

 

Safety

CBs

DL 

TE

RB

QB

 

all upgraded 

 

also DROUGHT Broken

[Gugny]

3 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

I always liked Whaley from start to finish. Solid, if unspectacular drafts, and always found good players on the cheap to fill out rosters. What killed him is what kills every GM, the lack of a top tier QB.

 

3 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Couldn't agree more. I think he knew it to. 

 

Lack of a top tier QB definitely hurt.  I think what killed him was never being allowed to choose a HC.  The Pegulas and Rex Ryan killed Whaley.

[Ayjent]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Unsure about the roster while Rex was coach. 

 

But certainly, in 2014 with Marrone and Schwartz, one could argue that there's an element of "Hard Knocks" that 9-7 wasn't good enough to take us into the playoffs that year, and that if that success on D had been maintained, next year's #12 offense should have spotted us 2 more wins and playoffs could have been achieved.

 

And there's a certain element of luck that 9-7 was enough to get in last year, when it wasn't in 2014, 2015, or 2016.

Well the defense Rex installed was a joke that took a top notch unit and made them mediocre at their best.   His saving grace was the Offense, and Whaley getting himTaylor, Incognito, and McCoy.  If the defense would’ve been a tad better they probably make the playoffs both years.  I was no Whaley fan, but he gave Rex everything he needed to succeed and piss poor coaching is why Rex won’t coach in the NFL as a coordinator or head coach ever again, unless a team is just run by a bunch of fools.

 

The silver lining of Rex’s tenure was that they built a decent offense and found a pretty serviceable game managing QB that won’t make many mistakes and can extend plays and drives with his ability to move.  This GM has been tearing that up since he got here and it is now at about ground zero - let’s see what he constructs, but he didn’t have to tear down the foundation to rebuild the house - sure it may have been cheaper to just tear it all down, but it’s going to get expensive again if you hit on the right picks and just damning if you don’t hit on enough in quick succession (see Sabres).