What areas of the team has Beane actually improved?

[Chandler#81]

7 hours ago, Yeezus said:

 

that doesn't explain why he traded Darby & Ragland. they were awful trades and did more harm than good. We could have used both players last year and this year. 

 

It (the post you’re bitching about) does explain why the trades took place and the actual results won’t be clear for a couple years. Allen & Edmunds wouldn’t have been available at the lone 22nd Draft position we earned from last season and both were absolute positions of need. There actually is a plan and it’s right in front of your scowling face. Only fans with black hearts don’t/can’t see this. 

This wouldn’t be you, would it??

[dubs]

Amazing how quickly people forget. 

 

Housing prices skyrocketing

Longest Bull market in history

Bills making the playoffs after 17 years 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

24 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

 

Lack of a top tier QB definitely hurt.  I think what killed him was never being allowed to choose a HC.  The Pegulas and Rex Ryan killed Whaley.

 

Whaley made some terrible decisions on draft day, with Watkins being top of the list. He, too, completely neglected the OL and QB positions. Where he did fairly good work was in scouting waivers and udfas. He was also AWFUL at cap management.

[Radar]

People this team was catching lightning in a bottle last year and many fans bought into it. I fully expect a step back record wise. Beane and company have two or three seasons to improve and rebuild. We'll see then. 

[Bills Pimpin']

Is this entire thread based off the result of a preseason game? Methinks most internet forum GM's and coaches should wait to spew their hate until after the first game that counts. 

And FYI, comparing this regime after one solid season to the previous and coming to the conclusion the previous was better is almost laughable. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

Is this entire thread based off the result of a preseason game? Methinks most internet forum GM's and coaches should wait to spew their hate until after the first game that counts. 

And FYI, comparing this regime after one solid season to the previous and coming to the conclusion the previous was better is almost laughable. 

 

This.

 

 

[dayman]

Beane deconstructed the roster last year and is still in cap purgatory this year. I expect 2 more offseasons and 3 more seasons before his vision is realized. 

[RiotAct]

The process.

 

The overpriced fat.

 

The DBs.

[Hebert19]

Simple answer.  

 

He fixed our salary cap and dead cap mess so we can build a real team. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

51 minutes ago, dubs said:

Amazing how quickly people forget. 

 

Housing prices skyrocketing

Longest Bull market in history

Bills making the playoffs after 17 years 

 

 

I get it, but making the playoffs had very little to do with Beane. It was one of the worst Bills teams since 2000. Bad teams sneak into the playoffs all the time, which is why the drought was unbelievable. Now we're a bad team without stability at QB. We saw what happens when Tyrod doesn't play.

Edited August 27, 2018 by TheTruthHurts

[dubs]

12 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

I get it, but making the playoffs had very little to do with Beane. It was one of the worst Bills teams since 2000. Bad teams sneak into the playoffs all the time, which is why the drought was unbelievable. Now we're a bad team without stability at QB. We saw what happens when Tyrod doesn't play.

 

We have?  I don’t remember any real games happening. 

 

I really don’t understand how people can doubt this regime. It takes time to build a team and can’t do it in one or two years. They recognized when they came on the team was limited to fringe playoff team and had to tear down and rebuild to raise the ceiling. They are doing that. Be patient. 

[Cripple Creek]

9 hours ago, Yeezus said:

Brandon Beane came into this organization and shook up the roster more than any other past GM's I can think of. He made several headline trades that saw some of our best young talent getting shipped away for draft picks

 

It was risky but we needed the draft picks. 2 years later he got his QB and this is the squad we are left with. Holes everywhere on the squad. 

 

I love Mcdermott as a HC, I think given what he had to work with last season he did very well. But I'm not at all sold on Beane like 90% of this fanbase. I truly don't understand what he has done to improve this team in the last 2 years. Roster turnover is rather quick in the NFL. This isn't hockey or the NBA where we have to wait for years until a young core of players develops into elite talent. Beane traded away some of our best players and has yet to replace them. 2nd offseason in a row he has completely ignored the oline and we now objectively have the worst oline in the league. 

 

I can only think of the RB's and safety position groups that have improved since the Rex era. Our LB's are some of the worst in the league, Dline and the pass rush has disappeared, and our top ranked rush offense is no more.  

 

This season doesn't count, and shouldn't. But we are realistically 2-3 years away from competing. Beane has a lot of work to do next offseason. 

Hi buddy! Where you been?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, dubs said:

 

We have?  I don’t remember any real games happening. 

 

I really don’t understand how people can doubt this regime. It takes time to build a team and can’t do it in one or two years. They recognized when they came on the team was limited to fringe playoff team and had to tear down and rebuild to raise the ceiling. They are doing that. Be patient. 

Analyze the team, what are you comfortable with? If Davis cant play anymore our strongest position suddenly has a gaping hole QBs will pick apart.

[mjt328]

10 hours ago, Yeezus said:

Brandon Beane came into this organization and shook up the roster more than any other past GM's I can think of. He made several headline trades that saw some of our best young talent getting shipped away for draft picks

 

It was risky but we needed the draft picks. 2 years later he got his QB and this is the squad we are left with. Holes everywhere on the squad. 

 

I love Mcdermott as a HC, I think given what he had to work with last season he did very well. But I'm not at all sold on Beane like 90% of this fanbase. I truly don't understand what he has done to improve this team in the last 2 years. Roster turnover is rather quick in the NFL. This isn't hockey or the NBA where we have to wait for years until a young core of players develops into elite talent. Beane traded away some of our best players and has yet to replace them. 2nd offseason in a row he has completely ignored the oline and we now objectively have the worst oline in the league. 

 

I can only think of the RB's and safety position groups that have improved since the Rex era. Our LB's are some of the worst in the league, Dline and the pass rush has disappeared, and our top ranked rush offense is no more.  

 

This season doesn't count, and shouldn't. But we are realistically 2-3 years away from competing. Beane has a lot of work to do next offseason. 

 

I really hope the message board isn't going to be flooded with these kinds of posts all season.

 

Fans need to get it in their heads. 

Brandon Beane didn't come in here to patch some holes and make us a Wild Card team.  He came here to completely tear-down what the previous regime did, and construct this roster piece-by-piece into a consistent championship contender.  That cannot be done in only 1-2 seasons.  (I think many fans have already forgotten that Beane didn't even come to Buffalo until May of last year, after Free Agency and the Draft were already wrapped up.)

 

I agree that roster turnover CAN be quick in the NFL.  But a lot of that depends on what pieces are already in place.

The cornerstones of Doug Whaley's roster were either players that Beane didn't want (Sammy Watkins, Ronald Darby, Marcel Dareus, Reggie Ragland, Cordy Glenn, Tyrod Taylor) or players that have retired this offseason (Eric Wood, Ritchie Incognito).  This is a TOTAL rebuild.

 

Our two most important acquisitions this offseason were Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds.  The plan is to build the franchise around THESE TWO GUYS for the next decade.  Hopefully someday both will become regular Pro Bowlers.  But for now, the common trait is that both Allen/Edmunds were considered physical freaks, who were raw and needed LOTS of refinement before reaching their potential.  Read the scouting reports before the draft.  Neither of these guys were expected to make a tremendous impact as rookies.  There will be growing pains, and mistakes.

 

Considering the number of players we decided to part-ways with, the two surprise retirements on the O-Line, our terrible salary cap position, and our desperation to land a franchise-QB --- it was totally unrealistic to expect Beane to fill all of our glaring holes in one offseason.  The plan in Free Agency was to be conservative in spending this year, and get the dead-money/bad contracts off the books.  Once 2019 hits, the Bills just might have the most cap space in the entire NFL to play around with.  And all of our future draft picks.

 

Bottom line.  There needs to be an element of patience among the Bills fanbase.

- 2018 was all about blowing up the roster and purging the unwanted pieces. 

- 2019 is about rebuilding the foundation

- 2020 will be about filling in those holes

 

If we aren't competing for the AFC East by the end of next year, then we can start criticizing what Beane did right/wrong.  Until then, it's way too premature.

 

 

 

Edited August 27, 2018 by mjt328

[ddaryl]

9 hours ago, Agent 91 said:

I feel like there is a weird power thing happening.I'm not sure how much of this isn't McDermott. Brand is a GM face but does he really have the ability to make moves without McDs sign off?

 

Jerry Sullivan is that you, or are you Bucky? .. This is a complete grasp for a conspiracy theory to hang your hat on.

 

 

I'm really only concerned with the OL and so much of that is from unfortunate circumstances....  

Edited August 27, 2018 by ddaryl

[gobills1212]

Man... which way is the wing blowing today???

[Heitz]

37 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

I really hope the message board isn't going to be flooded with these kinds of posts all season.

 

There are a handful of known trolls on TBD that will always post the same drivel.   You nailed it though, it's a rebuild and we just picked a couple of our cornerstone players.

 

Beane got us an actual, young, top QB prospect, which is, you know, the most important position on the field - he's already done more than Whaley!!

[dubs]

51 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Analyze the team, what are you comfortable with? If Davis cant play anymore our strongest position suddenly has a gaping hole QBs will pick apart.

 

I’m not disagreeing this team is looking weak.  They had to move mountains to get a potential franchise QB. That was obviously the priority. They also are trying to improve the defense. You can argue about Josh and the defense, but it’s clear to me that’s what they are doing. 

 

Next they need to and im sure they will address OL and WR. 

 

Its not that complicated to understand. If you are looking at just this year compared to 2016, you’re doing it wrong.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, dubs said:

 

I’m not disagreeing this team is looking weak.  They had to move mountains to get a potential franchise QB. That was obviously the priority. They also are trying to improve the defense. You can argue about Josh and the defense, but it’s clear to me that’s what they are doing. 

 

Next they need to and im sure they will address OL and WR. 

 

Its not that complicated to understand. If you are looking at just this year compared to 2016, you’re doing it wrong.  

What?

[Keukasmallies]

10 hours ago, MJS said:

We made the playoffs. Can't argue with results.

 

Might be more accurate to say we fell into the playoffs; we were in the right place at the right time.  No way do I accept we played our way in.