Trent Murphy - Should we be worried?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

We can just draft his replacement.

 

DE  Zach Allen 6' 5" 285  Boston College

 

"What’s most exciting about Allen is how physical and strong he is at the point of attack. Not easily moved out of his gap, Allen does well to dictate reps with aggressive hand technique and a stout anchor as he plays through blocks. He offers sharp mental processing skills in his ability to diagnose plays and seamlessly disposes of blockers in pursuit. His executes with a relentless motor and high degree of urgency. "

 

 

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[KDIGGZ]

Trent Murphy needs to follow the TB12 Method. He does basically the opposite by powerlifting all off-season. He's shortening his muscles and losing flexibility thus damaging his body. Lorenzo Alexander does Pilates and I don't think any one of us would call him a sissy because he doesn't deadlift cars in a parking lot like Murphy. 

Murphy works out at a gym where the owner has a broken back, no bicep muscles because they have torn off, and has basically destroyed his body. That should have been his first clue.

[BigDingus]

12 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I see.....so if a player plays one year for another team and gets injured.....and he misses a couple of games in the 1st year with OUR team....that player should automatically be dismissed?  Injuries happen.

 

Like I said...I will wait until the end of the season and look at his play for us as a whole.

 

Judging from your other recent posts, it seems you'll just defend & excuse anyone & everything related to the Bills.

[Dadonkadonk]

PED guy breaking down. What a shock. 

Beane can't be trusted with 2019 FA dollars. He has to go.

[Agent 91]

Yet another gaffe this regime made

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 hours ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Trent Murphy needs to follow the TB12 Method. He does basically the opposite by powerlifting all off-season. He's shortening his muscles and losing flexibility thus damaging his body. Lorenzo Alexander does Pilates and I don't think any one of us would call him a sissy because he doesn't deadlift cars in a parking lot like Murphy. 

Murphy works out at a gym where the owner has a broken back, no bicep muscles because they have torn off, and has basically destroyed his body. That should have been his first clue.

 

Interesting.  Do you happen to have a link or source for this?  I'm curious to learn more

[Misterbluesky]

Another bad signing by Beane....Washington didn't want him for a reason,his knee is glass.How much more money is being spent on Star louistoleabelly? Beane made some very poor judgements last spring.

[KDIGGZ]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Interesting.  Do you happen to have a link or source for this?  I'm curious to learn more

He works out at Westside Barbell during the off-season where everyone does roids and then tries to squat 1000 pounds until their knees shred in half and they can't walk. It's no wonder he's always injured. I'm sure there's multiple articles on him working out there but you will learn more about it by looking up Westside Barbell and the owner Louie Simmons.

[Ol Dirty B]

24 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

He works out at Westside Barbell during the off-season where everyone does roids and then tries to squat 1000 pounds until their knees shred in half and they can't walk. It's no wonder he's always injured. I'm sure there's multiple articles on him working out there but you will learn more about it by looking up Westside Barbell and the owner Louie Simmons.

 

At first I was like the ***** this dude talking about. I did some googling, perhaps their is some truth to it.

 

I also learned Trent Murphy is a year younger than me. Wow is that depressing, that guy looks old as.... I thought he was 31 or 32. His whole story as a pro is out there. 

[formerlyofCtown]

10 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

Another bad signing by Beane....Washington didn't want him for a reason,his knee is glass.How much more money is being spent on Star louistoleabelly? Beane made some very poor judgements last spring.

Our D isnt the problem.  I swear the only thing worse than our offense is some of the posters on this board.

[Ittakestime]

Add to the Beane's Bum list.

 

Remember that Beane was also the one that traded players like Watkins, Darby, Ragland, and Dareus.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, WRONG JOSH said:

He works out at Westside Barbell during the off-season where everyone does roids and then tries to squat 1000 pounds until their knees shred in half and they can't walk. It's no wonder he's always injured. I'm sure there's multiple articles on him working out there but you will learn more about it by looking up Westside Barbell and the owner Louie Simmons.

 

OK, I found https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/03/why_trent_murphy_thinks_hes_an_ideal_fit_for_sean_mcdermotts_buffalo_bills.html so the Westside Barbell connection is indeed legit.

 

The guys on their webpage do not look like role models for the fitness a football player should emulate, and yep it talks about powerlifters and steroids.  I don't think you'll find this guy doing Pilates and Yoga to keep himself limber.

 

Legit gouge, thanks.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

53 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Our D isnt the problem.  I swear the only thing worse than our offense is some of the posters on this board.

 

Nah, the offense right now - it's legit worse.

 

The Trent Murphy signing didn't tie up a huge amount of money, but as an example of the players Beane brought in, I think it's legit to question his productivity and thus Beane's player evaluation choices. 

 

He's played an average of ~55% of the snaps in the 7 games where he's played, but when one looks under the hood, it's binary: the first game was 35 (bringing him in slow from a preseason injury) and so were the last 2 games (? battling the knee injury that kept him out the last 2 games?).  So it looks as though he's been fully available and good to go for 4, maybe 5, out of 9 games.  He's had 14 tackles and 3 sacks which is on-pace for a career low in tackles. 

 

I "get it" that tackles aren't the be-all end-all metric for a DE/OLB but they are an indicator as to whether he has returned to the 2016 form for which we signed him or his first two years "meh" with lack of availability to boot. 

[Mr. WEO]

We've been told in this very thread that Murphy is not injury prone because he's only missed a few games so far....for the Bills. LOL

[26CornerBlitz]

Trent Murphy Q&A: On donating deer meat, Wolfgang Schmidt...

 

 

By Matthew Fairburn -  The Athletic

 

Trent Murphy Q&A: On donating deer meat, Wolfgang Schmidt and being ready to ‘showcase why they brought me here’

 

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. — Trent Murphy is sick of waiting.

 

The Buffalo Bills’ defensive end signed a three-year, $22.5 million contract over the offseason despite missing the entire 2017 season with a torn ACL. Murphy was ready for a fresh start, eager to prove his nine-sack 2016 season wasn’t a fluke.

 

But his debut season in Buffalo has been a frustrating one. He’s played in eight of the Bills’ 11 games and been on the field for just 40 percent of defensive snaps due to a series of nagging injuries. First, a groin injury held Murphy back during training camp. Then he injured his ankle early in the season before missing three games with a knee injury. He’s as eager as Bills fans are to put the injuries behind him and get back to producing.

 

After all, Murphy is the guy with a famed work ethic going back to his days growing up in Arizona. He spent the offseason at Westside Barbell, a world famous powerlifting gym. He’s not one to sit around and miss time. Last week, Murphy played 54 percent of the Bills’ snaps, his highest total since Week 5.

 

“He looked like he was gaining confidence as the game wore on, and this week will be another week for him to put another good week of practice out there and continue to gain some momentum with his health and with his confidence,” Sean McDermott said.

 

I talked to Murphy on Friday at his stall in the Bills’ locker room. We discussed his season but also his many interests and hobbies off the field …

[Mark Vader]

On 11/4/2018 at 3:38 PM, Dadonkadonk said:

PED guy breaking down. What a shock. 

Beane can't be trusted with 2019 FA dollars. He has to go.

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Edited December 1, 2018 by Mark Vader

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Mark Vader said:

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...shoulda paid him by the hour......HUGE cap savings...............

[Mark Vader]

On 11/5/2018 at 4:48 AM, Ittakestime said:

Add to the Beane's Bum list.

 

Remember that Beane was also the one that traded players like Watkins, Darby, Ragland, and Dareus.

Has the secondary suffered without Darby?

 

Was Dareus a "Process" guy?

 

Did Watkins really want to be here?

 

We'll never know about Ragland, but Beane is doing an overall good job.

[BADOLBILZ]

24 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Has the secondary suffered without Darby?

 

Was Dareus a "Process" guy?

 

Did Watkins really want to be here?

 

We'll never know about Ragland, but Beane is doing an overall good job.

 

1)  #2 CB is the weakest position on the defense...........and Wallace hasn't looked like an answer...........that Vontae signing though!

 

2)  They were 5-2 with Dareus and he was making plays...........8-13 since and Star has not been good

 

3)  He said he did............and after the trade he said he'd be willing to come back...........that whole "he didn't want to be here" shtick is always funny though, thanks.?  Did Mahomes not want to be here?  LMK

 

4)  Ragnuts was a bad pick to start with

 

Beane has been incomplete/JAG as a GM thus far..........on paper clearly not "good"........but also not terrible because we don't know the results of Allen and Edmunds.

 

Don't confuse the defensive ranking with Beane's work........McD has done a good job coaching up the defense with little help from Beane's personnel magic.

 

 

 

 

[SWATeam]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

1)  #2 CB is the weakest position on the defense...........and Wallace hasn't looked like an answer...........that Vontae signing though!

 

2)  They were 5-2 with Dareus and he was making plays...........8-13 since and Star has not been good

 

3)  He said he did............and after the trade he said he'd be willing to come back...........that whole "he didn't want to be here" shtick is always funny though, thanks.?  Did Mahomes not want to be here?  LMK

 

4)  Ragnuts was a bad pick to start with

 

Beane has been incomplete/JAG as a GM thus far..........on paper clearly not "good"........but also not terrible because we don't know the results of Allen and Edmunds.

 

Don't confuse the defensive ranking with Beane's work........McD has done a good job coaching up the defense with little help from Beane's personnel magic.

 

 

 

 

Should Beane have drafted Mahomes from Carolina?  LMK  

 

Yeah, getting a 2nd for Sammy was so dumb.  They should have just let him walk the following year for nothing...  No way he was re-signing, and he's still missing games with his cronic feet.

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Should Beane have drafted Mahomes from Carolina?  LMK  

 

Yeah, getting a 2nd for Sammy was so dumb.  They should have just let him walk the following year for nothing...  No way he was re-signing, and he's still missing games with his cronic feet.

 

This is based on what?

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

This is based on what?

My opinion.  

 

It was clear to me that beyond franchising him, Sammy was going to price himself out of Buffalo.

 

Then, the team that gave up Gaines and a 2nd round pick for him, let him walk the very next year. Now he his missing multiple games with more foot issues.

 

The Sammy trade is an odd thing to criticize Beane for at this point.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, SWATeam said:

Should Beane have drafted Mahomes from Carolina?  LMK  

 

Yeah, getting a 2nd for Sammy was so dumb.  They should have just let him walk the following year for nothing...  No way he was re-signing, and he's still missing games with his cronic feet.

 

 

Never said Mahomes was anything to do with Beane..........just pointing out the stale nature of that baseless catch-all "dint wanna' be here" excuse that's been used for years.........meaning used for every garbage regime that preceded McBeane.

 

They wasted most of the capital they got for Watkins on Kelvin Benjamin............AND subsequently they haven't been able to pass the ball for 2 years...........the Watkins decision is also bigger than Beane.........McDermott made the bad call on not picking up his option which added pressure.

 

Bottom line...........HUGE.......and I mean HUUUUUUUGE net negative on the pro personnel side of the job for Beane.     The draft?   Remains to be seen.   I still like the Allen and Edmunds picks but we are most definitely grading them on a curve because they've put more bad than good on tape so far.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I forget this guy on the team at least every other week

[SWATeam]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Bottom line...........HUGE.......and I mean HUUUUUUUGE net negative on the pro personnel side of the job for Beane.     The draft?   Remains to be seen.   I still like the Allen and Edmunds picks but we are most definitely grading them on a curve because they've put more bad than good on tape so far.

I'd agree that pro personnel has been a net negative.  The KB situation is a disaster and Murphy hasn't worked out.  But I disagree that Star has been bad.  And McKenzie has provided a spark.  Grabbing Gaines in the Sammy deal worked out last year as well.

[BADOLBILZ]

24 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

I'd agree that pro personnel has been a net negative.  The KB situation is a disaster and Murphy hasn't worked out.  But I disagree that Star has been bad.  And McKenzie has provided a spark.  Grabbing Gaines in the Sammy deal worked out last year as well.

 

The amount of bad decisions wrt pro personnel......from letting FA's walk to trades is borderline staggering in a league where you really should be 50/50 without even trying.

 

They've been *somewhat* competitive since the Dareus/KB moves.........but they've done that in spite of the moves...........8-13 is bad but they could easily have been worse.

 

Lotulelei is the best they did in FA last offseason and he has been pretty lousy for $10M.     There was a little narrative starting early in the season about him playing well but he's not been good.    He arrived with a rep for being in decline and he's probably declined more this year than ever.     

Edited December 2, 2018 by BADOLBILZ

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

1)  #2 CB is the weakest position on the defense...........and Wallace hasn't looked like an answer...........that Vontae signing though!

 

2)  They were 5-2 with Dareus and he was making plays...........8-13 since and Star has not been good

 

3)  He said he did............and after the trade he said he'd be willing to come back...........that whole "he didn't want to be here" shtick is always funny though, thanks.?  Did Mahomes not want to be here?  LMK

 

4)  Ragnuts was a bad pick to start with

 

Beane has been incomplete/JAG as a GM thus far..........on paper clearly not "good"........but also not terrible because we don't know the results of Allen and Edmunds.

 

Don't confuse the defensive ranking with Beane's work........McD has done a good job coaching up the defense with little help from Beane's personnel magic.

 

 

 

 

So I'll ask you this, is Beane incompetent?

 

Follow-up to the CB situation. Should we have kept EJ Gaines?

Edited December 2, 2018 by Mark Vader

[Doc]

11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

1)  #2 CB is the weakest position on the defense...........and Wallace hasn't looked like an answer...........that Vontae signing though!

 

2)  They were 5-2 with Dareus and he was making plays...........8-13 since and Star has not been good

 

3)  He said he did............and after the trade he said he'd be willing to come back...........that whole "he didn't want to be here" shtick is always funny though, thanks.?  Did Mahomes not want to be here?  LMK

 

4)  Ragnuts was a bad pick to start with

 

Beane has been incomplete/JAG as a GM thus far..........on paper clearly not "good"........but also not terrible because we don't know the results of Allen and Edmunds.

 

Don't confuse the defensive ranking with Beane's work........McD has done a good job coaching up the defense with little help from Beane's personnel magic.

 

The GM provides the coach with material to work with.  You can't conveniently pooh-pooh the Bills being #1 in pass defense and then say "well, #2 CB is bad..."  You also can't talk about the Bills being 8-13 and ignore the Jags being 3-8 this season with Dareus, without being disingenuous knowing it's offense on both teams that is holding them back.

 

As for Watkins, he's proven to not be a #1 WR.  There is no other way to explain this to you.  I'd be pissed right now if the Bills signed him to a $16M/year contract. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

So I'll ask you this, is Beane incompetent?

 

Follow-up to the CB situation. Should we have kept EJ Gaines?

 

 

Beane's competence is TBD............but for sure he hasn't pulled a "Hughes for Sheppard" or Lorax or Zach Brown or Incognito out of his hat..........and the guy that did that is considered to have been incompetent.

 

And I'm not praising Whaley............the point is that history is not kind unless you do A LOT of good work.............and Beane's work in pro personnel has been anemic at best.

 

I think they've drafted good players(with McD as de facto GM and with Beane) the past two years...........but I also think they hit a two year stretch of good fortune wrt QB's in the draft  that's unprecedented in Bills history.........first they had Mahomes/Watson fall into their lap and then they had a 1st round with 5 legit franchise QB candidates!   

 

Really comes down to Allen..........if he's great it will buy a lot of time for Beane to do better wrt free agency/pro personnel.  

 

EJ Gaines.........I would have liked to see him re-signed but I understood why they did not.  

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

On 11/4/2018 at 9:18 PM, Misterbluesky said:

Another bad signing by Beane....Washington didn't want him for a reason,his knee is glass.How much more money is being spent on Star louistoleabelly? Beane made some very poor judgements last spring.

 

...McBeane seems to be willing to gamble on players coming off injury....a//k/a "Halftime Davis".....yet Sammy and Glenn were dumped coming off injury (Sammy perhaps because of $13 mil 5th year option as well; OL was hardly solidified making Glenn trade bait to move up IMO).....more puzzling is the Murphy signing with a PED suspension.....

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

That would be great but he was practically limping around the field last Sunday so healthy seems like a stretch.

 

[Doc]

I’d sit him until he’s totally healthy. He’s signed for several more years so no reason to risk him, at least this season.

[Mark Vader]

31 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Beane's competence is TBD............but for sure he hasn't pulled a "Hughes for Sheppard" or Lorax or Zach Brown or Incognito out of his hat..........and the guy that did that is considered to have been incompetent.

 

And I'm not praising Whaley............the point is that history is not kind unless you do A LOT of good work.............and Beane's work in pro personnel has been anemic at best.

 

I think they've drafted good players(with McD as de facto GM and with Beane) the past two years...........but I also think they hit a two year stretch of good fortune wrt QB's in the draft  that's unprecedented in Bills history.........first they had Mahomes/Watson fall into their lap and then they had a 1st round with 5 legit franchise QB candidates!   

 

Really comes down to Allen..........if he's great it will buy a lot of time for Beane to do better wrt free agency/pro personnel.  

 

EJ Gaines.........I would have liked to see him re-signed but I understood why they did not.  

 

 

So you don't think Beane should be fired?

 

As for your earlier comment about Vontae Davis.....No one saw that coming. I'm not blaming Beane for that.

[BADOLBILZ]

38 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

So you don't think Beane should be fired?

 

As for your earlier comment about Vontae Davis.....No one saw that coming. I'm not blaming Beane for that.

 

 

No one saw a 30 year old CB not coming back to form after a torn achilles?   Zat right?  Hmmph.

[Mark Vader]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

No one saw a 30 year old CB not coming back to form after a torn achilles?   Zat right?  Hmmph.

So you knew that Davis was going to retire at halftime during a game?

[26CornerBlitz]

DC Leslie Frazier on Murphy:

 

Trent Murphy is still not 100 percent healthy. Defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier said as much Monday when explaining why Shaq Lawson saw the majority of the reps at that spot.

 

“Trent is not quite where we’d like him to be physically,” Frazier said. “He’s getting there, he’s very close. The first game back was last week against Jacksonville, so we kind of had him on a pitch count, watching him in reps and seeing how he responds. We tried some of those reps yesterday to get him some more opportunities, and we’ll do the same thing again. He’s not quite 100 percent, but he’s close to being 100 percent. What we don’t want to see is a setback, because we really want him to stay on the field and get in a rhythm. If that happens, he’ll continue to get better.”

[billsredneck1]

before being eliminated from contention by clay,  i was thinking trent would turn out be the monster in the playoffs for us ( key to possibly winning a playoff game) and help put this defense over the top. i think he has value, but if ya can't stay on the field...