National Josh Allen buzz after 1 preseason half

[atlbillsfan1975]

Yep. It’s all over the place. I really do trust whatever Coach and Beane think is best. 

Heck McCarron I think could be a very capable starter. McCarron has proven he can be a guy that could get the Bills back to the playoffs. 

I hated the pick of Allen right as it was called. Then I watched every game of his. I read his story. Watched interviews with him, his family and coaches at High School and both colleges. 

IF Allen struggled and looked out of place, I would sit him. I think McDermott was thinking this was. You never really know till you see it against NFL players. 

Coach has a few more preseason games to get a good feel for Allen’s mental make up.

[Norcalbillsfan]

More than anything I was happy with the confidence. Being doubted by most analysts and coming from a small school he could have easily went out and played super conservative on the big stage. But he went out with no fear throwing bombs. 

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3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

That's not what the controversy was over at all.  It was simply about John's view that Allen will never be accurate. 

 

I don't see anyone saying to play Allen too early.  

 

It's completely clear when Allen is going to play, and it has very little to do with his completion percentage.   He'll play when he's the QB who gives the Bills the best chance to win.  That could be in four weeks against Baltimore, it could be in the middle of the 2018 season, it could be at the beginning of the 2019 season, it could be never.  

 

However, to my eyes, he'll be starting sooner rather later.  If he's completing 58% of his passes and averaging 8.5 yards per attempt, he'll start over McCarron dinking and dunkin for a 62% completion percentage and 6.8 yards per attempt.  A four percentage point difference in completion percentage amounts to 1 and occasionally 2 additional completions a game.   IF your QB is throwing it downfield, the extra yardage he gets more than makes up for one more 6 yard dumpoff.  

Pretty simple, isn't it?  

 Its not that simple. The NFL is a different game today than it used to be and the difference between a 58% and a 62% completion percentage is a far wider margin than you think because teams are attempting more passes and more pass interference calls are being awarded. If he's throwing 58% at over 8.5 we are going to get murdered in time of possession and the D won't get enough time time to rest.

 

Edited August 13, 2018 by MURPHD6

[transplantbillsfan]

43 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:

 Its not that simple. The NFL is a different game today than it used to be and the difference between a 58% and a 62% completion percentage is a far wider margin than you think because teams are attempting more passes and more pass interference calls are being awarded. If he's throwing 58% at over 8.5 we are going to get murdered in time of possession and the D won't get enough time time to rest.

 

 

Based on watching his college film I could find and the 1st half of the preseason game, that difference between 58% and 62% will be more on the WRs and OL than Allen.

[Boca BIlls]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Friday Allen gets 1st team reps, and today this observation from Faurburn:

It's getting interesting, folks

Not really interesting b.c Allen will most likely be week 1 starter

[Nihilarian]

8 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:

Here's the problem, from a research perspective. 

His completion percentage was still below 50 and he was against a vanilla D.  First off, Allen's completion percentage was never below 56% while at Wyoming so I have no idea who you are referring to.  Did you miss the part where I stated that Allen only played two full seasons at Wyoming and that usually college QB's improve their percentage over time? Meaning a four year career. Allen did have a 66.7 completion percentage in his first year at Wyoming, alas he only played in two games that year.

 

You can cherry pick all the great QB's you like, but you really need to look at a larger sample size. There haven't been many, if any, QB's who have been able to improve upon a sub 60 per cent college completion percentage in the pros who were drafted in the last decade. Your looking at exceptions, not likely outcomes. That was the reasoning against drafting Allen, as a QB needs to hit at least 60 per cent to be able to start in the league (in today's pass happy era) and most rookies see an immediate drop in completion percentage in the NFL, and sometimes it never goes back up.

Matthew Stafford comes to mind with his first year of 52.7%, second year 55.7 and in his third season went up to 61.4.  Stafford averages 62.0% in the NFL. The supporting cast matters as Stafford started as low as 53.3% in 2009 and hit a high of 67.2% in 2015.

Jay Cutler also comes to mind as a college player who started at 48.6 in his first year, 57.2 in his second, 61% in his third, 59.1 in his fourth. His NFL career he averaged 62.0 completion percentage.

 

Plus the fact that Allen lost every player that touched the ball in 2016 at Wyoming and in 2017 took a team filled with nobodies, rookies to an 8-5 record with a bowl win. His O line and receiver corps stunk big time in 2017.  Meanwhile, no other player from that 2017 Wyoming class was drafted.

 

Not to mention that Allen was in a deep throwing passing scheme at Wyoming with no short, simple outs, Bubble screens like Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen threw in games. Some QB's make a living with those short dump offs. 

 

Yes, his level of competition wasn't that great at Wyoming. So it's important to note that when Allen did face a higher level of competition in the Senior Bowl he played very well with a better surrounding cast. In which Allen went 9 of 15 for 158 yards, 2 TDs!  Both TDs were "touch" throws and he showed he can compete against elite talents. 

 

I get that your excited, but if you want to argue stats you can't just cherry pick from the greats who played during a time when passes were less frequent due to different pass interference rules.There are very good reasons to be concerned with his accuracy, and people who are concerned are doing there research. 

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It's not just me. Both Beane and McD placed their faith, future in the hands of Josh Allen so I think there is a real reason for all Bills fans to be excited. 

 

Read this, It might help. https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/step-step-how-bills-knew-allen-was-right-them

 

Edited August 13, 2018 by Nihilarian

[JohnC]

10 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

That's not what the controversy was over at all.  It was simply about John's view that Allen will never be accurate. 

 

 

I never said that Allen would never be accurate. You should be ashamed of yourself for such a gross distortion. When discussing his level of accuracy I said he would never be the type of qb who would be as accurate as Brees or Brady, two HOF qbs who are historically accurate. You saying that I said he would never be accurate is simply bogus. I have no problem with people disagree with what I said. I have little regard for people who distort what is said. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Jay_Fixit]

On 8/11/2018 at 9:29 PM, BigDingus said:

 

Because completion percentage & accuracy are just minor things to ignore?

 

(2017 Numbers)

 

Drew Brees - 72.0%

Alex Smith - 67.5%

Jimmy Garoppolo - 67.4%

Tom Brady - 66.3%

Matt Stafford - 65.7%

Matt Ryan - 64.7%

Aaron Rodgers - 64.7%

Kirk Cousins - 64.7%

Big Ben - 64.2%

Jameis Winston - 63.8%

Philip Rivers - 62.6%

Tyrod Taylor - 62.6%

Jared Goff - 62.1%

Eli Manning - 61.6%

Russell Wilson - 61.3%

Carson Wentz - 60.2%

Blake Bortles - 60.2%

 

Andy Dalton - 59.9%

Mitch Trubisky - 59.4%

Cam Newton - 59.1%

Trevor Siemian - 59.0%

Ryan Fitzpatrick - 58.9%

Jacoby Brisset - 58.8%

Brian Hoyer - 58.0%

JOSH ALLEN - 56.1% (PAST TWO YEARS)*****

Tom Savage - 56.1%

Brock Osweiler - 55.8%

Blaine Gabbert - 55.6%

CJ Beathard - 54.9%

Deshone Kizer - 53.6%

 

I see the better group of QB's tend to have higher completion percentages to go along with the rest of their numbers...I also notice that sub 60% tends to be where the bad, or at best, inconsistent QB's reside. There are exceptions to every rule, but I know I'd rather have him positioned between Tyrod & Rivers or Ryan & Stafford than Tom Savage & Brian Hoyer or Blaine Gabbert & Brock Osweiler...

Former NFL MVP Cam Newton completed 52.9% of his passes two years ago. He’s also at 58.5% for his career.

 

Another QB everyone likes to think is elite yet is at 59.5% for his career is Andrew Luck. 

 

You’re also grouping Josh Allen’s COLLEGE stats in with these numbers. So it pretty much negates the attempt. 

 

I’ve said all year how Josh Allen is innacurate, how if he only completed 56% of his college passes is bad news for his NFL career. However, I think he does have a chance to correct those flaws in the NFL as it looks like it was footwork/decision making issues. Coaching can help that.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

We're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves. Really exciting debut but let's see how he looks in the next three pre-season games and then re-evaluate. He's our franchise guy but he needs work. I'd rather wait a few weeks late than a few weeks too early. 

 

But if he kills it in the next three games and is given more and allowed to play for 1st team defenses then we might have to expedite the process. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Buffalo Bills: Josh Allen receives a solid grade on his debut

AFC preseason Week 1 grades: Sam Darnold, Andrew Luck shine

Buffalo Bills: Josh Allen, QB. The rookie gunslinger certainly teased Bills fans with flashes of his arm talent and athleticism during an up-and-down debut performance. Allen connected on 9 of 19 passes for 116 yards and a score on a variety of laser-like tosses that showcased his A-plus arm strength. However, he also showed the inconsistent accuracy and decision-making that plagued him during his collegiate career. Grade: B-

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Buffalo Bills: Josh Allen receives a solid grade on his debut

AFC preseason Week 1 grades: Sam Darnold, Andrew Luck shine

Buffalo Bills: Josh Allen, QB. The rookie gunslinger certainly teased Bills fans with flashes of his arm talent and athleticism during an up-and-down debut performance. Allen connected on 9 of 19 passes for 116 yards and a score on a variety of laser-like tosses that showcased his A-plus arm strength. However, he also showed the inconsistent accuracy and decision-making that plagued him during his collegiate career. Grade: B-

 

...Jesus, hate the word "gunslinger"....go back and re-read the urinalists' pre-draft hype for 2004......Losman was the "heir apparent gunslinger to Favre" going to the Pack at #22...we get him and JP Favre didn't quite work out....

[Shaw66]

7 hours ago, JohnC said:

I never said that Allen would never be accurate. You should be ashamed of yourself for such a gross distortion. When discussing his level of accuracy I said he would never be the type of qb who would be as accurate as Brees or Brady, two HOF qbs who are historically accurate. You saying that I said he would never be accurate is simply bogus. I have no problem with people disagree with what I said. I have little regard for people who distort what is said. 

You're correct.   I was imprecise when I typed that response.   I knew that's what we were talking about.  

 

I'm sorry you have little regard for me. 

[Chandler#81]

On 8/11/2018 at 12:32 PM, yungmack said:

What do you mean "we"? Other than showing he has a Jeff George arm and was inaccurate with it, I didn't see anything to change my opinion that McBeane made a huge mistake paying what they did for this kid. If winning the SB is the goal, the record shows that none of the dominant QBs - Starr, Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Brady - were big arms. But it's early, and I'm hoping against hope he turns out to be "The One."

 Big Ben, Aaron Rogers, Johnny Unitas, Roger Staubach, Elway, Namath & Peyton Manning say ‘Hi!’

 

 

 

Terry Bradshaw says “F-You!”

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Shaw66 said:

You're correct.   I was imprecise when I typed that response.   I knew that's what we were talking about.  

 

I'm sorry you have little regard for me. 

 

If it means anything Shaw....I don't have little regard for you.  It's a higher regard.  Not quite at the level of a Expert Divers who went in after the Filipino soccer players but it's still pretty high!

[Shaw66]

25 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

If it means anything Shaw....I don't have little regard for you.  It's a higher regard.  Not quite at the level of a Expert Divers who went in after the Filipino soccer players but it's still pretty high!

Thanks.

 

Some people do simply amazing stuff.   Like those divers.  Day after day going in there to find those kids and get them out.  Incredible.  I'm not one of those people. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Reviewing Buffalo Bills rookie quarterback Josh Allen's preseason debut | Baldy's Breakdown (4:44)

[LikeIGiveADarn]

50 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Reviewing Buffalo Bills rookie quarterback Josh Allen's preseason debut | Baldy's Breakdown (4:44)

 

Awesome video, but man does NFL have a terrible video player...

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Reviewing Buffalo Bills rookie quarterback Josh Allen's preseason debut | Baldy's Breakdown (4:44)

 

This is good stuff. Thanks!

[BigDingus]

On 8/12/2018 at 12:21 AM, Figster said:

Allen throws at a very high velocity that has already proven to come at you a little hot to handle at times for some of the Bills WR's.  Allens release has been clocked at over 70 MPH. 

 

Give Josh Allen sure handed recievers along with good protection. Add a RB like Shady to dump the ball off to short and watch Allens completion percentage go up. ( In my humble opinion )

 

 Josh Allen can make throws that only a very small percentage of QB's in the NFL can make.

 

 

He can also miss many throws that the large majority of QB's in the NFL can make....And as most coaches will tell you, it's those plays that matter most, not always trying to go for one big home run.

 

14 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Former NFL MVP Cam Newton completed 52.9% of his passes two years ago. He’s also at 58.5% for his career.

 

Another QB everyone likes to think is elite yet is at 59.5% for his career is Andrew Luck. 

 

You’re also grouping Josh Allen’s COLLEGE stats in with these numbers. So it pretty much negates the attempt. 

 

I’ve said all year how Josh Allen is innacurate, how if he only completed 56% of his college passes is bad news for his NFL career. However, I think he does have a chance to correct those flaws in the NFL as it looks like it was footwork/decision making issues. Coaching can help that.

 

Since you quoted my comment, you should notice the part I said "There are exceptions to every rule." 

YOU can point to the random one-off's....and I'll point to the much larger list of failures. I also mentioned in my post - ".I also notice that sub 60% tends to be where the bad, or at best, inconsistent QB's reside."

 

Do you think Cam Netwon is consistent? Hardly. And Cam Newton was also putting up MONSTER numbers in college, and at Auburn no less, and won the National Championship. Josh Allen put up average numbers, got worse his senior year, and wasn't even one of the top QB's in a weak division.

"Oh! But the talent around him blah blah blah!" And? All those other QB's from teams in his division had the same disadvantages. They all played with comparable talent around them. He also had the benefit of playing AGAINST inferior talent, unlike QB's like Cam Netwon, and couldn't do much with it.

I'm all for being supportive and hopeful with Allen, but I thought this thread would discuss his real merits & be based in reality, not plucking only what we want to see & ignoring all the other evidence that doesn't fit our narrative.... 

Edited August 14, 2018 by BigDingus

[Boatdrinks]

Why is there a “ narrative”? This is a thread about Allen buzz on a national perspective, with the decidedly partisan view of Bills fan lenses. That’s what it is, and why not ? This isn’t politics. We’re Bills fans and want Allen to be the franchise QB we’ve been waiting for. We all know that the odds are against just about any pick being that guy. We’re going to latch onto any glimmer of hope, any flash of big time ability that makes us believe he might be the one. And all the numbers in the role don’t mean squat right now because he’s played all of two NFL preseason quarters. All college stuff goes out the window once a player is in the NFL. It doesn’t mean a thing. So we’ll pull for Allen to be that QB , and the team’s investment dictates that he’ll be given every opportunity to prove he can be. Until he proves that he can’t , in which case they’ll go get another guy. Thank goodness for the rookie cap. Hopefully for Bills fans everywhere Allen IS the franchise player they’ve been seeking since Kelly. 

[ganesh]

51 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Why is there a “ narrative”? This is a thread about Allen buzz on a national perspective, with the decidedly partisan view of Bills fan lenses. That’s what it is, and why not ? This isn’t politics. We’re Bills fans and want Allen to be the franchise QB we’ve been waiting for. We all know that the odds are against just about any pick being that guy. We’re going to latch onto any glimmer of hope, any flash of big time ability that makes us believe he might be the one. And all the numbers in the role don’t mean squat right now because he’s played all of two NFL preseason quarters. All college stuff goes out the window once a player is in the NFL. It doesn’t mean a thing. So we’ll pull for Allen to be that QB , and the team’s investment dictates that he’ll be given every opportunity to prove he can be. Until he proves that he can’t , in which case they’ll go get another guy. Thank goodness for the rookie cap. Hopefully for Bills fans everywhere Allen IS the franchise player they’ve been seeking since Kelly. 

well said.  But...but...but...we are bills fans!!!

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On 8/13/2018 at 5:55 PM, Nihilarian said:

It's not just me. Both Beane and McD placed their faith, future in the hands of Josh Allen so I think there is a real reason for all Bills fans to be excited. 

 

Read this, It might help. https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/step-step-how-bills-knew-allen-was-right-them

 

I wasn't reffering to your posts, I was referring to a post made by someone else. Chill out dude, were all fans here, and you can still be a fan of the team and have concerns over his accuracy issues.

Edited August 14, 2018 by MURPHD6

[Nihilarian]

1 hour ago, MURPHD6 said:

I wasn't referring* to your posts, I was referring to a post made by someone else. Chill out dude, we're* all fans here, and you can still be a fan of the team and have concerns over his accuracy issues.

 

If you weren't referring to my posts then why did you directly quote me? Then referred to the stats I posted as "cherry picking"?

 

The reason for my lengthy post was brought on by perceived condescending lecturing stated from a "research perspective". 

 

Since we are both Bills fans I will attempt to refrain from pointing out a sequacious nature. Still, if you had read the post I linked I would tend to think that any concerns most Bills fans had with Allen's so-called accuracy issues would have been eased. 

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

If you weren't referring to my posts then why did you directly quote me? Then referred to the stats I posted as "cherry picking"?

 

The reason for my lengthy post was brought on by perceived condescending lecturing stated from a "research perspective". 

 

Since we are both Bills fans I will attempt to refrain from pointing out a sequacious nature. Still, if you had read the post I linked I would tend to think that any concerns most Bills fans had with Allen's so-called accuracy issues would have been eased. 

 

 

 

 If you think I'm being condescening by pointing out cherry picking, a lack of research, and concern over a sub 60 per cent completion percentage please google "average completion percentage needed to start in the NFL" 

 

The baseline 60% completion percentage for a starting QB is a pretty common agreed upon stat amongst people who follow these things. 

 

In 2016 24/30 starting qbs had completion percentages over 60 and only one qb was below 55.

 

In 2017 25/32 qbs were above 60.

Only 2 players were below 55 - C.J Beathhard and DeShone Kizer.

 

If you follow statistical trends, nothing that I said should come off as condescending, unless your adverse to research (which is a hobby that fans who are interested in stats enjoy).

 

Teams aren't making the playoffs with QB's who are below 60%, minus a few exceptions, which includes Cam Newton (59.1) who makes up for it with his running ability.

 

And if you think I'm being sequacious, consensus is what stats are all about, and the reason why they are useful. 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2018 by MURPHD6

[Domdab99]

13 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:

 If you think I'm being condescening by pointing out cherry picking, a lack of research, and concern over a sub 60 per cent completion percentage please google "average completion percentage needed to start in the NFL" 

 

The baseline 60% completion percentage for a starting QB is a pretty common agreed upon stat amongst people who follow these things. 

 

In 2016 24/30 starting qbs had completion percentages over 60 and only one qb was below 55.

 

In 2017 25/32 qbs were above 60.

Only 2 players were below 55 - C.J Beathhard and DeShone Kizer.

 

If you follow statistical trends, nothing that I said should come off as condescending, unless your adverse to research (which is a hobby that fans who are interested in stats enjoy).

 

 

 

 

 

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54 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

 

 

Adjusted completion percentage.That ones tricky. Its not a recognized stat across the board, and really hard to compare.

Man, you Allen fan boys really need to calm down, because you're all getting silly, and trying to pick fights with people who aren't saying things that are unreasonable.

 

DeShone Kizer was 11/18 for a TD and 184 yards in his preseason debut, and alot of fools who were insisting that he was the next big thing were screaming for his head not soon after. If you want to be one of those fools, thats your perogative, or you could chill out. Give him time. Stop ganging up on people who disagree with you. And resist the temptation to preassure an organization to start a rookie QB with a leaky Oline.

 

Edited August 15, 2018 by MURPHD6

[Bills Pimpin']

52 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:

 If you think I'm being condescening by pointing out cherry picking, a lack of research, and concern over a sub 60 per cent completion percentage please google "average completion percentage needed to start in the NFL" 

 

The baseline 60% completion percentage for a starting QB is a pretty common agreed upon stat amongst people who follow these things. 

 

In 2016 24/30 starting qbs had completion percentages over 60 and only one qb was below 55.

 

In 2017 25/32 qbs were above 60.

Only 2 players were below 55 - C.J Beathhard and DeShone Kizer.

 

If you follow statistical trends, nothing that I said should come off as condescending, unless your adverse to research (which is a hobby that fans who are interested in stats enjoy).

 

Teams aren't making the playoffs with QB's who are below 60%, minus a few exceptions, which includes Cam Newton (59.1) who makes up for it with his running ability.

 

And if you think I'm being sequacious, consensus is what stats are all about, and the reason why they are useful. 

 

 

You should probably wait until you have some Josh Allen NFL completion percentage stats before you start using NFL completion percentage stats as a reason why Josh Allen won't be a successful QB in the NFL. 

[transplantbillsfan]

52 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

 

 

 

BOOM!!!

 

Well... there's that

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2 hours ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

You should probably wait until you have some Josh Allen NFL completion percentage stats before you start using NFL completion percentage stats as a reason why Josh Allen won't be a successful QB in the NFL. 

I never said that he wasn't going to be succesful, just that his percentage should be over 60 before you start him. I could take 55, maybe, but the fanboys don't want to hear that. Pro football focus gave him an adjusted percentage of over 60, so BOOM! I'm wrong, they are right, he's jesus and I'm a heritec.

 

And in case you didn't read anything that I said before, my ENTIRE POINT was that you shouldn't be taking his stats out context.

 

So now, you, who I have yet to talk to or disagree with are telling me that I am taking his performance out of context when that was my entire point to begin with. 

 

Welcome to the Josh Allen echo chamber, where your an ass for asking people to consider stats in a comparative context, an ass for not considering stats that he has yet to put up, and an ass for being skeptical of third string preseason performance.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2018 by MURPHD6

[transplantbillsfan]

50 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:

Adjusted completion percentage.That ones tricky. Its not a recognized stat across the board, and really hard to compare.

Man, you Allen fan boys really need to calm down, because your all getting silly, and trying to pick fights with people who aren't saying things that are unreasonable.

 

DeShone Kizer was 11/18 for a TD and 184 yards in his preseason debut, and the same fools who were insisting that he was the next big thing were screaming for his head not soon after. If you want to be one of those fools, thats your perogative, or you could chill out. Give him time. Stop ganging up on people who disagree with you. And resist the temptation to preassure an organization to start a rookie QB with a leaky Oline.

 

 

2 blatant drops are caught and Foster runs full speed rather than looking backwards for 30+ yards while running OR flat out just stopping in the middle of a route for just 1 of the 2 bombs Allen threw him and that's 64% completion %.

 

Not a recognized stats across the board, but any normal person's eyes should be able to pretty easily see that culpability for 1/3rd of the Incompletions in that game lies pretty much solely on the hands of sub-par WRs who can't catch or don't understand the concept of finishing a route.

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2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

2 blatant drops are caught and Foster runs full speed rather than looking backwards for 30+ yards while running OR flat out just stopping in the middle of a route for just 1 of the 2 bombs Allen threw him and that's 64% completion %.

 

Not a recognized stats across the board, but any normal person's eyes should be able to pretty easily see that culpability for 1/3rd of the Incompletions in that game lies pretty much solely on the hands of sub-par WRs who can't catch or don't understand the concept of finishing a route.

He had a couple balls that recievers made great catches on as well, but pro football focus doesn't adjust for those. 

 

Preseason 3rd team adjusted stats are not a good indicator of anything.

 

You can't go by your eyes to assume that a deep ball would have been caught when a reciever slows down because the same reciever could have overrun the pass as well. Its a subjective interpretation, not an objective stat.

 

 

Edited August 15, 2018 by MURPHD6

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:

He had a couple balls that recievers made great catches on as well, but pro football focus doesn't adjust for those. 

Preseason 3rd team adjusted stats are not a good indicator of anything.

You can't go by your eyes to assume that a deep ball would have been caught when a reciever slows down because the same reciever could have overrun the pass as well. Its a subjective interpretation, not an objective stat.

 

 

Ummm... which passes from Allen did WRs have to make great catches on?

 

I named every single one I claimed were on WRs as Incompletions... so which ones did the WRs bail Allen out on with "great catches?"

[Bills Pimpin']

6 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:

I never said that he wasn't going to be succesful, just that his percentage should be over 60 before you start him. I could take 55, maybe, but the fanboys don't want to hear that. Pro football focus gave him an adjusted percentage of over 60, so BOOM! I'm wrong, they are right, he's jesus and I'm a heritec.

 

And in case you didn't read anything that I said before, my ENTIRE POINT was that you shouldn't be taking his stats out context.

 

So now, you, who I have yet to talk to or disagree with are telling me that I am taking his performance out of context when that was my entire point to begin with. 

 

Welcome to the Josh Allen echo chamber, where your an ass for asking people to consider stats in a comparative context, an ass for not considering stats that he has yet to put up, and an ass for being skeptical of third string preseason performance.

 

 

 

 

I'm not calling you an ass for anything. My point you shouldn't consider stats in regards to Josh Allen that don't exist. One of them being his NFL completion percentage. Also bringing up the NFL CP of Deshaun Kizer and CJ Beathard is ludicris. It reeks of looking for excuses not to give the kid the  opportunities he obviously deserves. If he plays with the 1's and 2's and is 55% CP and looks like a rookie then back up and punt. But FFS don't make excuses that don't exist. 

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1 hour ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

I'm not calling you an ass for anything. My point you shouldn't consider stats in regards to Josh Allen that don't exist. One of them being his NFL completion percentage. Also bringing up the NFL CP of Deshaun Kizer and CJ Beathard is ludicris. It reeks of looking for excuses not to give the kid the  opportunities he obviously deserves. If he plays with the 1's and 2's and is 55% CP and looks like a rookie then back up and punt. But FFS don't make excuses that don't exist. 

Your paranoid. I'm not making up stats that don't exist and I'm not looking for excuses. They are going to start him eventually, he's a top 10 pick, so they have to. I'm just calling attention to the fact that his completion percentage in his first NFL preseason game is still below 2/3 3rds of the QB's in the league, so we might want to see that number improve before we throw him in there, or else he might suck, get benched, and his development will be ruined.

 

This is a thread on The National Media Buzz about Allen, and since the memory of alot of folk seems to be short its worth reminding everyone that there was a similar buzz about Kizer last year, and he was put in too quick as a result, and now no longer with the team.

 

Bringing up Kizers preseason stats are RELEVANT in this case, as well, because he was in a similar situation with similar college and preseason stats, National media buzz, playing against a 3rd team D, etc.

 

 You remind me of a dad who thinks that his kid is the best player on the team and that any questioning of his special ability, despite overall evidence to the contrary, is a slight against your family.

 

I can picture you yelling at a pop warner coach and embarassing yourself in front of the rest of the parents.

 

 

Edited August 15, 2018 by MURPHD6

[BB@Shooter]

On 8/11/2018 at 2:40 AM, Fadingpain said:

The high points showcased above are examples of the things Allen can do, as have long been acknowledged by even his fiercest critics.  Tremendous arm, great velocity, at times can deliver big time home run type throws.  

 

The problem is the other stuff.  The first pass of the game: big arm, big throw....3 yards out of bounds.

 

47% completion percentage for a half of football.

 

The Panthers game did not reveal new insight into Allen's potential, it showcased exactly who he is and who he has been.

 

Here's hoping he can morph into a substantially more consistent, accurate passer. 

 

 

 

Don't bring up that the people around him didn't hold up their end. Keep hating. Keep throwing out the negative.

On 8/11/2018 at 5:22 AM, maryland-bills-fan said:

Let me add something that hasn't been directly mentioned.    Being able to throw an accurate 50+yard pass makes everything else so much more effective.  The deep square-in now becomes an easy pass because the CB has to respect being beat REALLY deep.  Every fake by the WR is now better because the DB has to delay a split second to guard against being  beat deep.   The free safety is now a deep safety and his job becomes being around to bail out other DB's who might be beat.    The Bills can get a "Bob Hayes" type WR and the defenses have to think about double covering him- giving everybody else more room. (Bullet Bob Hayes was a 100 yard dash track star who converted to football.  Originally, he had few moves but he could outrun anybody by 5 -10 yards.   https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=bob+hayes#id=1&vid=2bf9866750ef31fc10fc0bc1fb92b0e3&action=click )    A nice thing about this type of player is that most teams can't use them and also most teams don't have DB's who can match them 1 on 1.   A cheap draft pick can get you a home run guy that the other teams have to game plan against.

 

WHOOOT !!

Do you remember Reynaldo Nehemia (sp) track star turned 49er?

[Jay_Fixit]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Ummm... which passes from Allen did WRs have to make great catches on?

 

I named every single one I claimed were on WRs as Incompletions... so which ones did the WRs bail Allen out on with "great catches?"

The Khari Lee catch. That’s all I know.

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

The Khari Lee catch. That’s all I know.

 

The sideline one?  Was that a great play/catch by the receiver making up for a bad throw by the QB or a great play/catch by the receiver combined with a great throw by the QB?

 

I don't even know that Lee's catch was anything more than great awareness and a good NFL catch.

[Bills Pimpin']

9 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:

Your paranoid. I'm not making up stats that don't exist and I'm not looking for excuses. They are going to start him eventually, he's a top 10 pick, so they have to. I'm just calling attention to the fact that his completion percentage in his first NFL preseason game is still below 2/3 3rds of the QB's in the league, so we might want to see that number improve before we throw him in there, or else he might suck, get benched, and his development will be ruined.

 

This is a thread on The National Media Buzz about Allen, and since the memory of alot of folk seems to be short its worth reminding everyone that there was a similar buzz about Kizer last year, and he was put in too quick as a result, and now no longer with the team.

 

Bringing up Kizers preseason stats are RELEVANT in this case, as well, because he was in a similar situation with similar college and preseason stats, National media buzz, playing against a 3rd team D, etc.

 

 You remind me of a dad who thinks that his kid is the best player on the team and that any questioning of his special ability, despite overall evidence to the contrary, is a slight against your family.

 

I can picture you yelling at a pop warner coach and embarassing yourself in front of the rest of the parents.

 

 

OK brah. Hold onto your completion percentage stat to decide how to handle the playing time of Allen since you are obviously too simple minded to account for anything else. The rest of us, which I guarantee includes the coaches, will look at the the entire body of work and make a proper evaluation. I hope your magic number of 60% shows up soon so you can feel good about playing the kid without "destroying him". 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

On 8/13/2018 at 7:04 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

Reviewing Buffalo Bills rookie quarterback Josh Allen's preseason debut | Baldy's Breakdown (4:44)

 

Just as a note Baldy is very well regarded in the Philly area. His review of Allen is overall positive with enough critique to not be Pollyanna