Sam Darnold Dazzles In Debut

[eball]

Ok, I just watched the "every touch from Sam Darnold" video clip on NFL.com.  Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick.  You know what bothers me most about the analysis of this year's 1st round QBs?  For EVERY OTHER GUY besides Allen the narrative is "how good can he be?"  With Allen it's "will he be a bust?"  It's ridiculous.

 

Darnold threw maybe three passes more than 10 yards.  Yes, he looked comfortable, but everything was short.  He also threw one brutal pass that should have been picked.  It was a "fine" performance but nothing more impressive than what Allen did.  He certainly didn't make any "wow" plays.

[26CornerBlitz]

7 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Not trying to take anything away from him but did you walk away thinking his play was much more superior to Josh or Peterman for that matter? He made short, precise throws but my God!, that ATL D was putrid. Every reception was mostly uncontested. Not a DB near the wideouts. His game did seem a bit more polished and I guess that's to be expected. Like you said, at least a couple years.

 

It's preseason. 

[aristocrat]

He’s gonna throw so many picks with that windup 

[26CornerBlitz]

Sam Darnold flashes starting QB potential in Jets' win

It's very difficult to imagine Sam Darnold not starting Week 1 for the New York Jets if he continues to play in the preseason like he did against the Atlanta Falcons on Friday night.

 

Darnold, the third overall pick of the 2018 draft, christened his NFL career with a performance that lived up to the grandiose hype arising from months of honeyed words and prognostications from scouts and pundits alike. After entering the game early in the second quarter, he completed 13 of 18 passes for 96 yards and a touchdown in the Jets' 17-0 win over the Falcons.

 

The numbers reflect Darnold's effective performance, but they don't capture the scope of how well he executed at the intangibles of his position. "Slinging" Sam looked very confident moving up in the pocket and throwing amid encroaching defenders, showcasing a level of awareness that looked beyond his years. The Jets' offensive line did a good job of making sure the structure of the team's plays weren't compromised, allowing Darnold to showcase his pocket-passer skill set.

 

[McBean]

37 minutes ago, eball said:

Ok, I just watched the "every touch from Sam Darnold" video clip on NFL.com.  Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick.  You know what bothers me most about the analysis of this year's 1st round QBs?  For EVERY OTHER GUY besides Allen the narrative is "how good can he be?"  With Allen it's "will he be a bust?"  It's ridiculous.

 

Darnold threw maybe three passes more than 10 yards.  Yes, he looked comfortable, but everything was short.  He also threw one brutal pass that should have been picked.  It was a "fine" performance but nothing more impressive than what Allen did.  He certainly didn't make any "wow" plays.

100% agree. I watched the clips and I’m not impressed at all.

 

A lot of dink and dunk.

 

Allen looks 10X the prospect.

[26CornerBlitz]

9 minutes ago, McBean said:

100% agree. I watched the clips and I’m not impressed at all.

 

A lot of dink and dunk.

 

Allen looks 10X the prospect.

 

  10 times the prospect huh. 

[eball]

15 minutes ago, McBean said:

100% agree. I watched the clips and I’m not impressed at all.

 

Allen looks 10X the prospect.

 

My point was not to demean Darnold, but rather to shed light on the perverse way in which Allen is being judged compared to the other 1st round QBs. 

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Ok, I just watched the "every touch from Sam Darnold" video clip on NFL.com.  Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick.  You know what bothers me most about the analysis of this year's 1st round QBs?  For EVERY OTHER GUY besides Allen the narrative is "how good can he be?"  With Allen it's "will he be a bust?"  It's ridiculous.

 

Darnold threw maybe three passes more than 10 yards.  Yes, he looked comfortable, but everything was short.  He also threw one brutal pass that should have been picked.  It was a "fine" performance but nothing more impressive than what Allen did.  He certainly didn't make any "wow" plays.

 

Why did you waste your time doing that, eball?  Why didn't you just check his completion percentage?  That's all you need.*

 

 

 

* sarcasm, acknowledged here respectfully for the benefit of some board members who don't pick up on it.

[Jay_Fixit]

13 completions for 96 yards is as pedestrian as it gets.

 

Allen had a much more impressive debut. 

[Fan in Chicago]

4 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

Did you forget he also threw a TD too? Darnold is a better player than Allen at this point, everyone knows that. .

 

Who is this"everyone" you speak of?

[26CornerBlitz]

9 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

13 completions for 96 yards is as pedestrian as it gets.

 

Allen had a much more impressive debut. 

 

Box score scouting doesn't Fixit Jay. 

[Jay_Fixit]

20 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Box score scouting doesn't Fixit Jay. 

I watched his game.

 

I’ve been a Darnold fan for two years, I’m just saying. 

[Nihilarian]

I watched Darnold for awhile and didn't see anything special. But, it's only one preseason game. Let's see how he looks when the game is on the line and he needs to go 80 yards for the win. 

 

For this year the Jests should let Bridgewater start and see how he does while letting Darnold sit and learn. JMO That regime might not last another losing season.

Edited August 11, 2018 by Nihilarian

[CommonCents]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

  10 times the prospect huh. 

Fine, 25 but let’s not get carried away.

[MAJBobby]

Color me impressed. 13/18 for 96 yards and a WHOPPING 5.3 YPA. And a TD. 

 

Lets see how well he does when he actually tries and pushes the ball downfield (if he ever does). 

 

But he has just as much chance to succeed or Bust as any other 1st round QB does. 

 

Bridgewater was more impressive IMO

Edited August 11, 2018 by MAJBobby

[SCBills]

Darnold can only do what the staff asked him to do.  He did it well.  I’d be happy if I was a Jets fan watching that performance.  

 

It’s also truthful to point out that most of his throws were of the underneath/dink and dunk variety and that Atlanta’s defense was hilariously awful. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

35 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I watched his game.

 

I’ve been a Darnold fan for two years, I’m just saying. 

 

Don't waste your breath. Trust me.

 

[Rufridr101]

Darnold showed good conservative skills move the chains when was the last time those skills won a Superbowl 

[IDBillzFan]

34 minutes ago, SCBills said:

... and that Atlanta’s defense was hilariously awful. 

 

I was gonna say, Darnold looked poised and comfortable, especially for a guy who held out a bit, but damn, the Falcons looked downright horrible last night, like they were playing with molasses on the field.

[HappyDays]

Darnold mostly made good quick decisions, and his arm isn't a rocket but it's plenty strong enough for the NFL. It was a promising start. Like any rookie QB we'll have a better idea when he faces real defenses.

[26CornerBlitz]

14 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Don't waste your breath. Trust me.

 

 

Trust you? 

[Patriot Killa]

3 hours ago, aristocrat said:

He’s gonna throw so many picks with that windup 

On his first two drives, Darnold’s snap to throw times were as follows (by my watch):
 
2.04
2.34
1.96
2.13
1.71
2.67
1.89
2.98
2.22
1.27
1.74
3.40
 
His average over 18 total attempts for the night was 2.28.
 
For reference, according to NFL’s NextGen Stats, Tom Brady averaged a 2.71 last year, Drew Brees had a 2.59 average, Alex Smith had 2.67 and Matt Ryan finished at 2.72, albeit with a much larger sample size and far more deep route concepts (and adifferent timer).
 
The only passes near or close to the three-second mark in the first half were deep in Darnold’s progression, and both resulted in middle to deep-length completions. In the second half, the two three-plus second throws were on long play-action bootleg passes. Darnold slid safely on his first scramble and threw only one true incompletion before halftime – a slightoverthrow deep to the right on his third attempt. The other first-half incompletion was a clear drop.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/08/10/sam-darnold-jets-rookie-qb-debuts-full-repertoire-speedy-release

[aristocrat]

5 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

On his first two drives, Darnold’s snap to throw times were as follows (by my watch):
 
2.04
2.34
1.96
2.13
1.71
2.67
1.89
2.98
2.22
1.27
1.74
3.40
 
His average over 18 total attempts for the night was 2.28.
 
For reference, according to NFL’s NextGen Stats, Tom Brady averaged a 2.71 last year, Drew Brees had a 2.59 average, Alex Smith had 2.67 and Matt Ryan finished at 2.72, albeit with a much larger sample size and far more deep route concepts (and adifferent timer).
 
The only passes near or close to the three-second mark in the first half were deep in Darnold’s progression, and both resulted in middle to deep-length completions. In the second half, the two three-plus second throws were on long play-action bootleg passes. Darnold slid safely on his first scramble and threw only one true incompletion before halftime – a slightoverthrow deep to the right on his third attempt. The other first-half incompletion was a clear drop.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/08/10/sam-darnold-jets-rookie-qb-debuts-full-repertoire-speedy-release

 

He winds up like a pitcher throwing. He’s gonna throw a lot of picks doing that. Like Jamies does down in Tampa.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

Did you forget he also threw a TD too? Darnold is a better player than Allen at this point, everyone knows that. The question is will Allen develop into a better one in the FUTURE.

He's also far more accurate (as it seems all the 1st round rookies are & always have been) than Allen. Hoping our coaching staff can somehow crack that code & get Allen at least to 60%. Oddly enough, Teddy Bridgewater might be the best QB on that team, but is probably the odd man out atm.

 

Well, getting Allen some guys who can catch, and run routes, would be helpful there.  An OL in front of him and cast not shooting itself in the foot with dumb penalties would help, too.

 

All that said, Darnold looked promising, period.   The Falcons D coulda looked better.

 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

On his first two drives, Darnold’s snap to throw times were as follows (by my watch):
 
2.04
2.34
1.96
2.13
1.71
2.67
1.89
2.98
2.22
1.27
1.74
3.40
 
His average over 18 total attempts for the night was 2.28.
 
For reference, according to NFL’s NextGen Stats, Tom Brady averaged a 2.71 last year, Drew Brees had a 2.59 average, Alex Smith had 2.67 and Matt Ryan finished at 2.72, albeit with a much larger sample size and far more deep route concepts (and adifferent timer).
 
The only passes near or close to the three-second mark in the first half were deep in Darnold’s progression, and both resulted in middle to deep-length completions. In the second half, the two three-plus second throws were on long play-action bootleg passes. Darnold slid safely on his first scramble and threw only one true incompletion before halftime – a slightoverthrow deep to the right on his third attempt. The other first-half incompletion was a clear drop.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/08/10/sam-darnold-jets-rookie-qb-debuts-full-repertoire-speedy-release

 

You're timing things to the hundredth of a second by YOUR WATCH?  Srsly?

 

That's not realistic accuracy from a watch.

[Patriot Killa]

7 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

He winds up like a pitcher throwing. He’s gonna throw a lot of picks doing that. Like Jamies does down in Tampa.

His release was lightening quick last night..

[wiskibreth]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, getting Allen some guys who can catch, and run routes, would be helpful there.  An OL in front of him and cast not shooting itself in the foot with dumb penalties would help, too.

 

All that said, Darnold looked promising, period.   The Falcons D coulda looked better.

 

 

 

 

 

You're timing things to the hundredth of a second by YOUR WATCH?  Srsly?

 

That's not realistic accuracy from a watch.

 

The stopwatch app on my apple watch runs time to the hundredth, so...  Now, can you click it on and off accurately is another question, but it does display the time elapse in hundredths.

[aristocrat]

3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

His release was lightening quick last night..

 

Which qb are you talking about? Dahnold always has had the windup. Rivers has a similar thing. He might throw for some yards but the turnovers will be high. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, wiskibreth said:

The stopwatch app on my apple watch runs time to the hundredth, so...  Now, can you click it on and off accurately is another question, but it does display the time elapse in hundredths.

 

It's whether or not the observer clicks it on and off with that level of precision that is indeed the question.

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

Which qb are you talking about? Dahnold always has had the windup. Rivers has a similar thing. He might throw for some yards but the turnovers will be high. 

 

If he does have turnovers (interceptions) in his career, it'll be tied to decision making rather than his release that too many people make an issue of. 

Edited August 11, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[aristocrat]

8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

If he does have turnovers (interceptions) in his career, it'll be tied to decision making rather than his release that too many people make an issue of. 

 

The release is a huge issue. 

Edited August 11, 2018 by aristocrat

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, aristocrat said:

 

Wrong.

 

Based on what?

[aristocrat]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Based on what?

 

How many successful qbs you see with weird throwing motions?

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, aristocrat said:

 

How many successful qbs you see with weird throwing motions?

 

Who cares about other QBs. Assess Darnold based on his own charactersitics.  Let's hear it rather than a lazy generalization. 

[Bleedingreennc]

I'm excited to see Darnold and Allen for years to come, it's time the Patriots stop dominating this division 

[Patriot Killa]

24 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

Which qb are you talking about? Dahnold always has had the windup. Rivers has a similar thing. He might throw for some yards but the turnovers will be high. 

Darnold. His release looks completely different from his USC days. It’s a night and day difference...how are you not seeing that man?

[aristocrat]

8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Who cares about other QBs. Assess Darnold based on his own charactersitics.  Let's hear it rather than a lazy generalization. 

 

It's not a lazy generalization. He's going to turn the ball over quite a bit. He did it a lot in college and now he's going into a tougher league.  

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, aristocrat said:

 

It's not a lazy generalization. He's going to turn the ball over quite a bit. He did it a lot in college and now he's going into a tougher league.  

 

Again, it wasn't because of his release. 

[aristocrat]

1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said:

Darnold. His release looks completely different from his USC days. It’s a night and day difference...how are you not seeing that man?

 

 

There it is. plain as day

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Again, it wasn't because of his release. 

 

Big part of it yes it was. He’s also gonna have less time throwing in the pocket and d ends are gonna knock that ball out when he winds up. 

[Patriot Killa]

5 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

 

There it is. plain as day

Are we seeing the same thing? His release was beautiful last night. I also provided a great article detailing his release speed and you disputed it because of the clock.

tbh bro..I think you are just not wanting to see it because you don’t want Darnold to be improved, but his release a LOT better. I’d never lie to myself nor anyone else if I thought his release was the same. 

 

 

Its something he has been working on since before he was even drafted. He also had worked endlessly on takin his left hand off the ball when scanning the field so that the fumbles don’t happen. A lot of his turnovers can and have been worked out of him because he’s worked hard to smooth those things out. People forget this guy only played 1 year of HS QB and 2 years of USC ball...this kid has soooo much room to grow and he’s a very fast learner/natural passer. 

 

Allen looks good too, I’d never dispute that his arm isn’t strong...so idk why Darnold’s new release is coming into question as if it never even changed. It’s plain to see.

Edited August 11, 2018 by Patriot Killa

[bobblehead]

Y’all think this thread is retarded, wait until Rosen plays tonight. Ugh