eball Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't disagree with your RB room, but it makes me sad. Age 30, Age 30, Age 29 (with stone hands), and age 29, is not exactly a room built to look towards the future. Even the guys in red - Taiwan Jones (29), Marcus Murphy (27) aren't exactly a "youth movement" I would like to have one or two young prospects who just MIGHT be a sleeper to look at. I guess that translates to "unexcited by 5'11" Keith Ford as That Guy. On WR, I'm curious why you see Andre Holmes with his 13 receptions for 120 yds as a lock? We expended a bunch of draft capital on WR this year, even if it was late rounds. That's kind of surprising if we don't intend to give any of them a shot. Holmes is probably a lock for Gunner b/c of his ST ability as well. I'm an optimist, of course, but I really think both Ray-Ray and Proehl could make the roster and have an early impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 13 minutes ago, eball said: Holmes is probably a lock for Gunner b/c of his ST ability as well. I'm an optimist, of course, but I really think both Ray-Ray and Proehl could make the roster and have an early impact. Correct. He was on all of their teams last year. I'd be surprised if he was cut unless another of the young wideouts really shines on coverage units in the pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 It’ll be another sad commentary if Zay, Shaq, and Adolphus all flame out. The Bills just can’t afford yet another ‘lost generation’ of high draft picks. No team can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 14 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Are you suggesting we only keep 2 QB’s? I don't think he is. His color key again: BLACK - Guaranteed roster spot (excluding major injury or suspension) BLUE - Probable roster spot RED - Fighting for those last few spots IOW it's highly probably (in Gunner's view) that we keep 3 QB - it's just not 100% guaranteed. 8 hours ago, Logic said: To those who are discussing the, um...advanced age of our running back room: I totally agree, HOWEVER... I 100% expect the Bills to draft a brand new starting running back in next year's draft. Unless Shady's name is cleared AND he has a great season, I think he's gone next offseason. Too much money to pay a 31 year old running back. So if the Bills can just hang on for one more season with this group...between the full slate of draft picks and the money they'll have at their disposal in FA, I anticipate a bevy of offensive reinforcements at HB, WR, and OL. Oh, I agree on next year's draft. I also agree that this might be Shady's last season with the Bills, even if he's cleared. But look at the approach with WR. They threw a bunch of late draft capital at WR and fished out bunch of UDFA, with the obvious hope that one of those "fish" would be a "keeper". It's just puzzling (and somewhat disappointing) that they didn't take a similar approach at RB. They can't draft 3 RB next year (well they could, I suppose, but it would be unusual) and they'll need more than 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 How many players do we keep at each position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Sky Diver said: How many players do we keep at each position? It depends. Fringe guys will make it based on versatility. Last year we kept a 3rd QB because he played 278 Special Teams Snaps, for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: How many players do we keep at each position? So I'd say the minimum at each spot is 2 QBs 4 RBs (if you include a FB) 2 TEs 5 WRs 8 OL - - - - 7 DL 5 LBs 8 DBs - - - - 3 specialists Which gets you to 44. The last 9 spots then I would think are where you start saying "who plays teams" and "is my 6th WR more valuable than my 9th defensive back." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Bay Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 10 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: What, no Gerhard De Beer? (Red, obviously), but makes me think that there should be asterisks for players we think will make the practice squad. I was thinking the exact thing. He and Foster are two of my practice squad picks. Foster is intriguing given the lack of depth in the WR corps. We get the speed burner candidate every couple of years, but they never pan out. It would be amazing to have someone like that paired up with a QB that can heave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 16 hours ago, GunnerBill said: That isn't actually suggested in this thread. Quarterback Josh Allen AJ McCarron Nathan Peterman Based on that ^ order it looks like you have JA as #1, AJ backup and NP on the PS bubble. BLACK - Guaranteed roster spot (excluding major injury or suspension) BLUE - Probable roster spot RED - Fighting for those last few spots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: So I'd say the minimum at each spot is 2 QBs 4 RBs (if you include a FB) 2 TEs 5 WRs 8 OL - - - - 7 DL 5 LBs 8 DBs - - - - 3 specialists Which gets you to 44. The last 9 spots then I would think are where you start saying "who plays teams" and "is my 6th WR more valuable than my 9th defensive back." If all of your probables make the team, there are 37 players fighting for 10 spots. I'm figuring 3 QBs, 5 RBs, 3 TEs, 6 WRs, 8 OL, 8 DL, 7, LB, 8 DBs. 3 STs. that leaves 2 swing guys. I'm figuring the swing guys are WR and LB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Quarterback Josh Allen AJ McCarron Nathan Peterman Based on that ^ order it looks like you have JA as #1, AJ backup and NP on the PS bubble. No, he has Josh Allen as the most likely to be on the roster and the other 2 in the same tier of probable likelihood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Now need to add LB Keenan Robinson - probably blue.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Quarterback Josh Allen AJ McCarron Nathan Peterman Based on that ^ order it looks like you have JA as #1, AJ backup and NP on the PS bubble. BLACK - Guaranteed roster spot (excluding major injury or suspension) BLUE - Probable roster spot RED - Fighting for those last few spots No. I have JA as an absolute certainty to be on the roster. Not likely to be the starter. This makes no mention of who starts. Then "probable to be on the roster" does not mean on the bubble. The people who I think are on the bubble are in red. 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: If all of your probables make the team, there are 37 players fighting for 10 spots. Yep. And that is pretty much how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 33 minutes ago, Whites Bay said: I was thinking the exact thing. He and Foster are two of my practice squad picks. Foster is intriguing given the lack of depth in the WR corps. We get the speed burner candidate every couple of years, but they never pan out. It would be amazing to have someone like that paired up with a QB that can heave it. I actually think Foster is more than a dark horse roster candidate. He was getting burn with the ones at minicamp. Hopefully he turns out to be one of the great finds of the '18 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 18 hours ago, GunnerBill said: So training camp is finally, finally just about here. I am already eagerly awaiting the first instalment of Astro's Notes. As longer tenured members of the board will know I like to take a slightly different approach to predicting the roster than just naming the 53. I like at this point to go through what we have and brigade them into one of three categories: BLACK - Guaranteed roster spot (excluding major injury or suspension) BLUE - Probable roster spot RED - Fighting for those last few spots All clear? Then let us begin.... Here is my first stab at categorising the players currently on the Bills 2018 roster (missed a few out who I consider basically no-hopers but if one flashes I will add in later updates). Quarterback Josh Allen AJ McCarron Nathan Peterman Running Back LeSean McCoy Chris Ivory Patrick DiMarco (FB) Travaris Cadet Taiwan Jones Marcus Murphy Keith Ford Tight End Charles Clay Nick O'Leary Logan Thomas Jason Croom Khari Lee Keith Towbridge Wide Receivers Kelvin Benjamin Jeremy Kerley Zay Jones Andre Holmes Rod Streater Ray-Ray McCloud Austin Proehl Kaelin Clay Malachi Dupre Brandon Reilly Cam Phillips Robert Foster Offensive Line Dion Dawkins Ryan Groy Jordan Mills Russell Bodine Wyatt Teller Vlad Ducasse John Miller Marshall Newhouse Conor McDermott Adam Redmond De'Ondre Wesley Ike Boettger Defensive Line Kyle Williams Harrison Phillips Star Lotulelei Trent Murphy Jerry Hughes Shaq Lawson Adolphus Washington Eddie Yarbrough Owa Odighizuwa Terrence Fede Marquavius Lewis Tenny Palepoi Linebacker Tremaine Edmunds Matt Milano Ramon Humber Lorenzo Alexander Julian Stanford Deon Lacey Tanner Vallejo Mat Boesen Corey Thompson Cornerback Tre'Davious White Vontae Davis Taron Johnson Phillip Gaines Siran Neal Levi Wallace Lafayette Pitts Breon Borders Safety Jordan Poyer Micah Hyde Rafael Bush LJ McCray Kelcie McCray Dean Marlowe Special Teams Stephen Hauschka Colton Schmidt Reid Ferguson Cory Carter Tyler Davis So in totally I have 28 all but written in to make the 53 and another 15 that I think likely do. That leaves 10 spots to shoot for and will no doubt be influence by positional balance, special teams ability and performance in camp and pre-season. Okay TBD let me hear where and on who you disagree. You left DE Mike Love off the list. I think he's red with the chance of falling in the blue category. Same with Austin Proehl as a slot receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Oh, I agree on next year's draft. I also agree that this might be Shady's last season with the Bills, even if he's cleared. But look at the approach with WR. They threw a bunch of late draft capital at WR and fished out bunch of UDFA, with the obvious hope that one of those "fish" would be a "keeper". It's just puzzling (and somewhat disappointing) that they didn't take a similar approach at RB. They can't draft 3 RB next year (well they could, I suppose, but it would be unusual) and they'll need more than 1. That's a great point. Even just signing a bunch of UDFAs at HB would seem to make sense. I'm not sure why they didn't. Then again, I was a bit perplexed at the money they threw at 30-year-old Chris Ivory, too. Here's hoping for a COMPLETE youth movement at the position this coming offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't disagree with your RB room, but it makes me sad. Age 30, Age 30, Age 29 (with stone hands), and age 29, is not exactly a room built to look towards the future. Even the guys in red - Taiwan Jones (29), Marcus Murphy (27) aren't exactly a "youth movement" I would like to have one or two young prospects who just MIGHT be a sleeper to look at. I guess that translates to "unexcited by 5'11" Keith Ford as That Guy. On WR, I'm curious why you see Andre Holmes with his 13 receptions for 120 yds as a lock? We expended a bunch of draft capital on WR this year, even if it was late rounds. That's kind of surprising if we don't intend to give any of them a shot. Agree. I have been worried about running back even before McCoy's recent public problem with his ex-girlfriend. It seems to me Beane & McDermott have taken a lot for granted in assembling this list of runners. One thing Whaley always did was bring in YOUNG undrafted or low-drafted free agent runners who were talented and could surprise. I think if for whatever reason Shady can't play, this running game could fall off a cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, BurpleBull said: You left DE Mike Love off the list. I think he's red with the chance of falling in the blue category. Same with Austin Proehl as a slot receiver. I don't think either of those can fall into the blue yet. Is it probable that either makes the roster at this stage? Possible, certainly. Probable? Not for me. I did leave Love off the list though. I will update this after the first 2 weeks of camp before pre-season games start and then again after game 3 of pre-season before cutdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 12:18 PM, GunnerBill said: I don't think either of those can fall into the blue yet. Is it probable that either makes the roster at this stage? Possible, certainly. Probable? Not for me. I did leave Love off the list though. I will update this after the first 2 weeks of camp before pre-season games start and then again after game 3 of pre-season before cutdowns. Mike Love starting to get some attention. I think he's retained, backs up Trent Murphy and Shaq Lawson is traded if failing to perform up to the coaches' standards. I see ability in him to serve in the same capacity that Shaq Lawson has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 12:18 PM, GunnerBill said: I don't think either of those can fall into the blue yet. Is it probable that either makes the roster at this stage? Possible, certainly. Probable? Not for me. I did leave Love off the list though. I will update this after the first 2 weeks of camp before pre-season games start and then again after game 3 of pre-season before cutdowns. Mike Love making some plays. Would like to see him retained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Marcus Murphy and Ray Ray will make team IMO. So will Croom. Right now I am guessing KB, Kerley, Holmes, Ray Ray, Coleman at WR with Malachi and Riley to practice squad. It will be interesting if we keep 4 TE with Logan Thomas too. 9 position slots to WR/TE seems about right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 Latest update - new additions in italics. Colour changes highlighted. Refer to the opening post for colour coding. Greyed out and struck through indicates no longer on the team. Quarterback Josh Allen AJ McCarron Nathan Peterman Running Back LeSean McCoy Chris Ivory Patrick DiMarco (FB) Travaris Cadet Taiwan Jones Marcus Murphy (previously in RED) Keith Ford Tight End Charles Clay Nick O'Leary (previously in BLACK) Logan Thomas Jason Croom (previously in RED) Khari Lee Keith Towbridge Wide Receivers Kelvin Benjamin Jeremy Kerley Zay Jones Andre Holmes Corey Coleman Rod Streater Ray-Ray McCloud Austin Proehl Kaelin Clay Malachi Dupre Brandon Reilly Cam Phillips Robert Foster Offensive Line Dion Dawkins Ryan Groy Jordan Mills Russell Bodine Wyatt Teller Vlad Ducasse (previously in BLUE) John Miller (previously in BLUE) Marshall Newhouse (previously in BLUE) Conor McDermott Adam Redmond De'Ondre Wesley Ike Boettger Defensive Line Kyle Williams Harrison Phillips Star Lotulelei Trent Murphy Jerry Hughes (previously BLUE) Shaq Lawson Adolphus Washington Eddie Yarbrough Owa Odighizuwa Terrence Fede Marquavius Lewis Tenny Palepoi Mike Love Tyrunn Walker Linebacker Tremaine Edmunds Matt Milano Ramon Humber (previously BLACK) Lorenzo Alexander Julian Stanford (previously BLUE) Deon Lacey (previously RED) Tanner Vallejo Keenan Robinson Mat Boesen Corey Thompson Cornerback Tre'Davious White Vontae Davis Taron Johnson Phillip Gaines Levi Wallace Lafayette Pitts Breon Borders Safety Jordan Poyer Micah Hyde Rafael Bush Siran Neal (previously listed at corner) LJ McCray Kelcie McCray Dean Marlowe Special Teams Stephen Hauschka Colton Schmidt Reid Ferguson Cory Carter Tyler Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Random observations: TE position is really up in the air. Are Mike Love or Ike Boettger anywhere close to blue? Still have Ray-Ray in the red? I think if he continues to exhibit chemistry with Allen, they will find a way to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Random observations: TE position is really up in the air. Are Mike Love or Ike Boettger anywhere close to blue? Still have Ray-Ray in the red? I think if he continues to exhibit chemistry with Allen, they will find a way to keep him. Ray-Ray was the closest non-Blue to being in Blue. However, hearing McDermott talk it appears they still want to see more from him in practice. McD has referenced that he "has a bit of gamer in him" and showed up best at the red and blue scrimmage and the first game, which suggests they are looking for a bit more consistency before they consider him a very likely roster guy. He is close to the blue and gave me longest pause for thought. Both Love and Boettger have real shots for me at this point but both are on that bubble competing for those last 4 or 5 spots on the roster. They may even in an odd way be competing against each other. Do you carry the 9th DL or the 9th OL? These are the sorts of questions that I think the Bills will be having right up to cutdown day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I was most surprised at the number of RBs you put as probable and you dont think theres a punting competition. Good work as always. Can you summarize the number of spots not taken in blue and black with the remaining reds fighting for them? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 41 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: I was most surprised at the number of RBs you put as probable and you dont think theres a punting competition. Good work as always. Can you summarize the number of spots not taken in blue and black with the remaining reds fighting for them? Thanks. 44 spots in either blue or black at this stage with 9 very much open to fight for. Other than QB I don't see any unit as a done deal though OL and RB are getting closer. I think because both play teams it is possible Murphy and Cadet both make the cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 A few people have mentioned that Davis looks horrible in camp. If this is indeed true, who is the next best option to play outside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Commonsense said: A few people have mentioned that Davis looks horrible in camp. If this is indeed true, who is the next best option to play outside? Nobody. The backup corners are atrocious. Corner is a position I full expect us to be picking up cuts from other teams. Davis didn't have the greatest debut in pre season either. That spot is a legit worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Nobody. The backup corners are atrocious. Corner is a position I full expect us to be picking up cuts from other teams. Davis didn't have the greatest debut in pre season either. That spot is a legit worry. It looks like Wallace is winning a spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: It looks like Wallace is winning a spot. Winning would be the wrong word. He may well end up on the 53.... but that isn't because of his good play - he was poor on Thursday - it is because of lack of alternatives. If he was poor Pitts was whatever 3 grades worse than poor is. I think what they might do with Wallace is put him on the 53 so teams fill up their practice squads then cut him a couple of days later to add a vet cut from elsewhere and hope that way they have less competition to bring him back for the PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Winning would be the wrong word. He may well end up on the 53.... but that isn't because of his good play - he was poor on Thursday - it is because of lack of alternatives. If he was poor Pitts was whatever 3 grades worse than poor is. I think what they might do with Wallace is put him on the 53 so teams fill up their practice squads then cut him a couple of days later to add a vet cut from elsewhere and hope that way they have less competition to bring him back for the PS. Yeah, he clearly outplayed Pitts. Taron Johnson had a horrible missed tackle on a DJ Moore reception. Wallace missed too, but not nearly as badly. Pretty ugly. Johnson look like he may have been quite a reach at 4. He was project at 6. We’ll see. Edited August 13, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 On 7/23/2018 at 7:28 PM, GunnerBill said: Core special teams. Not sure why so many think Adolphus Washington has such a chance. He was atrocious on the field last year. Don't look back---look forward. That's why Logan Thomas and Peterman are going to make the team. Please don't bang your head. You don't want to concuss yourself and place yourself on the shelf due to the head damage protocol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I'm getting a kick out of all the prognosticators after 3 or 4 weeks of camp and one Pre Season game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 46 minutes ago, JohnC said: Don't look back---look forward. That's why Logan Thomas and Peterman are going to make the team. Please don't bang your head. You don't want to concuss yourself and place yourself on the shelf due to the head damage protocol. I have at no stage doubted Peterman will make the team. Said that all post-season. Logan has been overtaken by Croom and Khari Lee offers something different as a blocking TE. I still don't think he makes it and even if he does, he shouldn't. I think Washington probably does.... but again because of others deficiencies rather than because he has done anything noteworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I have at no stage doubted Peterman will make the team. Said that all post-season. Logan has been overtaken by Croom and Khari Lee offers something different as a blocking TE. I still don't think he makes it and even if he does, he shouldn't. I think Washington probably does.... but again because of others deficiencies rather than because he has done anything noteworthy. ...interestingly, the current "surprise cut" floating out there today is O'Leary.....where is he in your plan and whose the choice, Nick or Logan?...just askin'..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I have at no stage doubted Peterman will make the team. Said that all post-season. Logan has been overtaken by Croom and Khari Lee offers something different as a blocking TE. I still don't think he makes it and even if he does, he shouldn't. I think Washington probably does.... but again because of others deficiencies rather than because he has done anything noteworthy. I see Nicklaus's grand kid more in jeopardy of not making the roster than Logan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 minute ago, JohnC said: I see Nicklaus's grand kid more in jeopardy of not making the roster than Logan. No way! Other than the obligatory shot of Niagara Falls and the Anchor Bar, without O’Leary there’s nothing for the national media to fill a three hour broadcast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 49 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...interestingly, the current "surprise cut" floating out there today is O'Leary.....where is he in your plan and whose the choice, Nick or Logan?...just askin'..... I would take Nick but there is a chance neither of them makes it. 48 minutes ago, JohnC said: I see Nicklaus's grand kid more in jeopardy of not making the roster than Logan. I have moved O'Leary from lock to essentially the bubble. I am not sure they are competing against the same guys. I think it is one of Croom or Logan and one of Lee or O'Leary. Very possible neither make it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuru4 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I thought Cam Phillips has consistently been studly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I would take Nick but there is a chance neither of them makes it. I have moved O'Leary from lock to essentially the bubble. I am not sure they are competing against the same guys. I think it is one of Croom or Logan and one of Lee or O'Leary. Very possible neither make it. The roster surprise for me entering training camp was I thought that Conor McDermott would solidify his position and compete for the RT spot or become the swing tackle. He may be in jeopardy. Very often it isn't what you show but what your competitors show. Security isn't the nature of the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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