What would a modern civil war even look like?

[#34fan]

 

Some I've spoken to entertain romantic thoughts of a polarized Left vs. Right conflict that would split the country in two, but I can't see that at all.

 

Mostly because the U.S. features too many competing factions for them to be condensed into two diametrically opposed sides.

 

In fact,  -If I wanted to engineer a country immune to large-scale civil conflict, it would look a lot like the good-old  U. S. of A !

 

328 million people all trying to make it home from work early... It's a competitive environment... Relatively high cost of living with a  good, stable, economy.

 

It has a large immigrant population, a racially integrated workforce,  good infrastructure, and access to goods and services.  -Who'd wanna f__k that up?

 

If anything, a U.S. civil war would be triggered by some catastrophic event.. -Outbreak of a pathogen, natural disaster, -or military coup....

 

Bottom line:  -The political/economic climate is too stable to be conducive to anything like a real war.

 

While this isn't an exact representation of the American political spectrum, it offers some perspective.

 

                  D E M O C R A T S                  R  E  P  U  B  L  I  C  A  N  S

Radical left, far left, left, center-left, centrist, center-right, right, libertarian, far right, evangelicals, alt-right.

 

I can see upheaval, ugliness, incivility, and yes, violence. -But a Blue vs. Gray type war???  

 

 -You're gonna have to sell me on it

 

 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by #34fan

[njbuff]

It wouldn't be pretty for the left, Republicans have all the guns, while the left wants to outlaw them all.

 

Pretty simple.

 

Won't be pretty if Republicans become pissed off to the point where they have to use their weaponry.

 

Civil War will not end nicely for Democrats.

 

I have relatives in Canada, so I am safe if war breaks out.

[#34fan]

14 minutes ago, njbuff said:

It wouldn't be pretty for the left, Republicans have all the guns, while the left wants to outlaw them all.

 

Pretty simple.

 

Won't be pretty if Republicans become pissed off to the point where they have to use their weaponry.

 

Civil War will not end nicely for Democrats.

 

I have relatives in Canada, so I am safe if war breaks out.

 

Safety? -In a time of open war? 

 

Whatever dystopian epoch emerges from the ashes of old-America probably wont be worth living in.

 

And if you think Canada won't be affected, you're daydreaming.

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by #34fan

[TakeYouToTasker]

Look at any other country who has endured civil war in a modern setting, then extrapolate.

 

Do you think sort of thing can't happen here?  If so, why?

[#34fan]

1 minute ago, I am the egg man said:

Texas here I come.and out the West back door to escape route into the towns and hills of New Mexico and Arizona.I

 

Might even get a stealth 22.

 

I doubt it could happen on a continental scale... Although, a civil war in Texas seems likely at some point.

[Koko78]

An actual civil war will swing whatever way the US military goes (including the various state national guards).

 

The two worst scenarios would be if they stay on the sidelines, allowing people to fight it out themselves; or - even worse - if the military splits and fights itself.

 

However, the most we're likely going to see is idiots rioting and destroying their own homes and neighborhoods in protest of something stupid, before they get cordoned off/run out of things to break.

[B-Man]

Because of Trump.................some people can't even open jars,

 

Seriously , if we are comparing, the actual battles would all be in the blue states, just as the majority of the " American Civil War I" was in the South

 

It wouldn't last long.

 

 

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[/dev/null]

42 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

West Texas here I come. And out the West back door to a west coast escape town and hills of New Mexico and Arizona.

 

Might even get a stealth 22.rif!e and pistol for me and her and place my faith she can actually shoot fairly straight.

 

A stealth 22 to shoot sneaky squirrels?

[DC Tom]

It'll look like urban vs. rural.  

[Doc Brown]

Our economy is doing well and our food supply is more than adequate from the majority of people to resort to violence.  The only "civil war" you'll see are extreme factions on opposite ideological sides getting in more skirmishes throughout the country (similar to Charlottesville and Berkeley).   

[Azalin]

35 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Our economy is doing well and our food supply is more than adequate from the majority of people to resort to violence.  The only "civil war" you'll see are extreme factions on opposite ideological sides getting in more skirmishes throughout the country (similar to Charlottesville and Berkeley).   

 

I wish I could agree with you. The way I see it is that what's happening nowadays is similar to the beginnings of what happened in Germany in the 1920's. You have a strong, ultra-leftist element (that is thankfully a small minority thus far) - see antifa and the like - that continues to use violence to forward their agenda.

 

The angry, socialist left doesn't give a crap about how well the economy is doing. All they need to do is say that in a good economy, people may be well off, but those at the top are reaping the wealth created by the working class in a disproportionate fashion. That's been their mantra for generations, and that will not change.

 

Today's militant left are NOT liberals. They're anything but liberal. They need to go away, and the sooner, the better.

[Foxx]

3 hours ago, #34fan said:

 

Some I've spoken to entertain romantic thoughts of a polarized Left vs. Right conflict that would split the country in two, but I can't see that at all.

 

Mostly because the U.S. features too many competing factions for them to be condensed into two diametrically opposed sides. ...

 

 

right. think more in terms of Balkinization.

[3rdnlng]

5 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

West Texas here I come. And out the West back door to a west coast escape town and hills of New Mexico and Arizona.

 

Might even get a stealth 22.rif!e and pistol for me and her and place my faith she can actually shoot fairly straight.

If that is what you are going to use for protection, don't bother. You might as well get yourself a bat and save some money.

[row_33]

 

 

Kent State and a Greenwich home blowing up during an attempt to make a bomb ended the last time anything came close to civil war

 

and today isn’t even an anthill compared to the Everest of those days

 

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by row_33

[/dev/null]

6 hours ago, DC Tom said:

It'll look like urban vs. rural.  

And it will only last long enough for the urbanites to realize they need those deplorables to feed them

[Wacka]

Wolverines!

[Tiberius]

It will look like a few Tim McVeighs getting together, killing a bunch of innocent children and the rest of the country rallying around law enforcement to clean them out. A few pockets of resistance might be found that would then be burned out, and the yelling, accusations and court cases would follow. That would be it. 

 

 

[gatorbait]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Our economy is doing well and our food supply is more than adequate from the majority of people to resort to violence.  The only "civil war" you'll see are extreme factions on opposite ideological sides getting in more skirmishes throughout the country (similar to Charlottesville and Berkeley).   

 

I agree with this. Even if someone fires a gun at one of those skirmishes what do people think will actually happen next? Masses of people aren’t going to meet on a battlefield like the old school battles of the civil war and fight each other. The police and military would never allow it. We would see blockades and curfews almost immediately. Riot police and the National guard would get in the middle. I guess some people think rural factions will try to go to inner cities and have a shooting war, or vice versa. Good luck with that. Those people in those militias would be stopped with force or arrested and the “war” is over. The two fringe extremes on each side are the ones causing violence. 90% of Americans don’t give a **** and just want to live their life. 

 

Now if our government ever oppressed us enough for us to reach our breaking point, and we actually rallied together as one, I could see us having a civil war but even that is unlikely to ever happen in modern times. 

[row_33]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Our economy is doing well and our food supply is more than adequate from the majority of people to resort to violence.  The only "civil war" you'll see are extreme factions on opposite ideological sides getting in more skirmishes throughout the country (similar to Charlottesville and Berkeley).   

 

Civil War in the West have erupted when things have been going well.

 

its like LBJ looking at Watts on the TV wondering how this could happen after all he had done for them

 

 

[3rdnlng]

33 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Civil War in the West have erupted when things have been going well.

 

its like LBJ looking at Watts on the TV wondering how this could happen after all he had done for them

 

 

Yep, gave them reason to vote D.

Edited July 8, 2018 by 3rdnlng

[IDBillzFan]

12 hours ago, #34fan said:

It has a large immigrant population, a racially integrated workforce,  good infrastructure, and access to goods and services.  -Who'd wanna f__k that up?

 

The left.

 

Because no matter how good things are, the left believes it will never be fair for everyone, and the only way to make things fair for everyone is for the government to be in charge of everything and dole it out appropriately.

 

Fortunately, the left's idea of a civil war is an Antifa gathering or hiring idiots to harass people at dinner. The fight would be swift and they would be waving a white flag out the front door of every Starbucks in the country before you rang the dinner bell.

 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by LABillzFan

[row_33]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

Yep, gave them reason to vote D.

 

President went GOP for almost the whole quarter century

 

 

[B-Man]

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[#34fan]

Total Anarchy is more likely than an actual war.

 

In the unlikely event that the central government were taken out, the states would mobilize the national guard to protect the peace.

What you'd need to worry about is whatever replaces the central government... For example, -Mike Huckabee and the evangelicals might try to form a new central government/theocracy. -There'd be pushback on something like that, and many states would choose not to follow.  

 

You'd also have to consider the population itself.... Generations of free-thinking has left us so factional, that we'd naturally separate from those with different interests, and ally with those consitent with our politics.... There'd be untold numbers of competing groups defending their interests, and protecting their people.

 

Meanwhile, what about the electrical grid?  -Does everyone have access clean water? -Medical services?  Are sewage and water treatment facilities still operational?

 

Expect diseases like cholera, influenza, and dysentery to take out tens of thousands... It'd be pretty Darwinian to say the least.

 

13 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

Still hot after all these years.

Edited July 8, 2018 by #34fan

[The_Dude]

The very thought of a trans-loving, liberal, in skinny jeans giving gun owners a run for their money is hilarious and absurd. 

[#34fan]

26 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

The very thought of a trans-loving, liberal, in skinny jeans giving gun owners a run for their money is hilarious and absurd. 

 

What about a gay-transsexual defense militia made up of former Navy and Marine corp vets?

 

You know full well that's plausible.

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Morbidly humorous thought:

Would the Eurotrash send UN "Peacekeepers?"
 

[DC Tom]

25 minutes ago, #34fan said:

 

What about a gay-transsexual defense militia made up of former Navy and Marine corp vets?

 

You know full well that's plausible.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not worried.

[BringBackOrton]

10 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

If that is what you are going to use for protection, don't bother. You might as well get yourself a bat and save some money.

Written by somebody who has never taken two .22's to the chest.

5 hours ago, gatorbait said:

 

I agree with this. Even if someone fires a gun at one of those skirmishes what do people think will actually happen next? Masses of people aren’t going to meet on a battlefield like the old school battles of the civil war and fight each other. The police and military would never allow it. We would see blockades and curfews almost immediately. Riot police and the National guard would get in the middle. I guess some people think rural factions will try to go to inner cities and have a shooting war, or vice versa. Good luck with that. Those people in those militias would be stopped with force or arrested and the “war” is over. The two fringe extremes on each side are the ones causing violence. 90% of Americans don’t give a **** and just want to live their life. 

 

Now if our government ever oppressed us enough for us to reach our breaking point, and we actually rallied together as one, I could see us having a civil war but even that is unlikely to ever happen in modern times. 

The basic idea would be more like a left-controlled government versus revolting rural centers.

 

And it could easily go past isolated skirmishes.

[The_Dude]

51 minutes ago, #34fan said:

 

What about a gay-transsexual defense militia made up of former Navy and Marine corp vets?

 

You know full well that's plausible.

 

 

 

Most likely they’re not grunts though. Most people in the military aren’t “fighters.” 

 

Only ONE demographic stands out for combat guys. Only one. 

[#34fan]

52 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

I'm not worried.

 

 Funny, but hardly representative of gay vets... In a dystopian future they would probably need to defend themselves for real.

 

I've met lesbian ex-marines most here would hesitate to tussle with.

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, #34fan said:

 

 Funny, but hardly representative of gay vets... In a dystopian future they would probably need to defend themselves for real.

 

I've met lesbian ex-marines most here would hesitate to tussle with.

 

More likely we'd have to defend ourselves from them for real...

 

 

[#34fan]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

More likely we'd have to defend ourselves from them for real...

 

 

 

Definitely possible.

 

Competing faiths, Races, and ideologies, all weaponized.  Dystopian tribal chaos.

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, #34fan said:

Competing faiths, Races, and ideologies, all weaponized.  Dystopian tribal chaos.

 

Certainly what we're heading for.  Why do you think some of us see a civil war in the future?

[Nanker]

Common man, it'll look like this - Left Vs. Right

[#34fan]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Certainly what we're heading for.  Why do you think some of us see a civil war in the future?

 

History, for one thing.... It happened here before, so some think it can happen here again....

 

Then there's the rancorous  political discourse, and abandonment of civil protocols.   IMO, the breakdown in civility better suits anarchy, than anything else.

 

A two-sided civil war is probably too much to hope for.

 

 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Common man, it'll look like this - Left Vs. Right

[Nanker]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

 

 

 

[frostbitmic]

And Vladimir Putin will be smiling.

Edited July 8, 2018 by frostbitmic

[B-Man]

9 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

And Vladimir Putin will be smiling.

 

Not for long..................