plenzmd1 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Limeaid said: True story: Micro$oft had already advertised their brower with marketing and their big "IE" logo with name "Internet Exploder" with blurb about Micro$oft exploding onto browser market. Someone pointed out that when it crashed people would say that the browser "exploded" so marketing guys came up with idea to call it "Internet Explorer" instead and claim it was a typo. Problem was the copyright for "Internet Explorer" was owned by someone and when Micro$oft tried to buy him out he refused. They tried to use their laywers to hammer down with legal costs but he resisted for years until Micro$oft conceded and paid him hundreds of millions of dollars. Words have meaning and trying to change the meaning because you do not like it does not make it right. ahh.okay..have no clue what this means or how it relates to the conversation or if it is even remotely close to accurate. My point was you assuming someone who uses Twitter is a twit,..its just plain ass dumb and comes across in your posts. You don't like twitter..sure I get it. Well not really, cause you have self-admitted to never having used or even visited twitter..but you have declared everyone who does..like the rest of the planet, to be less than intelligent. And you wonder why someone might not agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 43 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Never said a bad word about him publicly That speaks volumes, no? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Clue me in on this... A flip comment, merely exploring the possibility that his abrasive nature with others through social media could escalate into real world social interactions that one or both parties would seek relief from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: My point was you assuming someone who uses Twitter is a twit,..its just plain ass dumb and comes across in your posts. You don't like twitter..sure I get it. Well not really, cause you have self-admitted to never having used or even visited twitter..but you have declared everyone who does..like the rest of the planet, to be less than intelligent. And you wonder why someone might not agree with you I have visited because the pasted snips are unreadable in my browser. Do not have an account and will not get one. The point was the site is called twitter. Words have meaning so I'd have same opinion of someone following a service called pileofdogcrap no matter how it is marketed. We will just have to disagree on this matter. twit1 twit/ noun informal a silly or foolish person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 More shots fired: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 hours ago, bbb said: More shots fired: More childish and manufactured workplace drama? Riveting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 9 hours ago, Clemfield2622 said: I'm going to subscribe. FWIW, I love Tim Graham. I have a feeling if he spent his Twitter time pwning libs, he'd be more popular locally. I'm not a huge fan of Tim's acerbic personality, especially on social media. However, I think he's one of the most naturally gifted raconteurs I've read in sports journalism. I've read some of his work on subjects that I have little to no interest in and, somehow, Tim has an innate ability to connect with me as the reader. I'll probably give it a little time before subscribing but I'm more inclined to pay for content if Tim is writing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 5 hours ago, bbb said: More shots fired: You'd think the guy is still in high school; so ridiculous and petty. This backs up my perception, however. If a young reporter "kisses the ring" of Timmy he is supportive; basically, if you want Graham to "have your back" you lather him with praise. Criticize him for any reason (legitimate or not) and you incur his "wrath." So glad I don't follow his Twitter nonsense any more, and haven't for several years. I'll happily read his articles since they're usually pretty good. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Limeaid said: I have visited because the pasted snips are unreadable in my browser. Do not have an account and will not get one. The point was the site is called twitter. Words have meaning so I'd have same opinion of someone following a service called pileofdogcrap no matter how it is marketed. We will just have to disagree on this matter. twit1 twit/ noun informal a silly or foolish person and again my point..how could anyway take what you say as offensive or derogatory... I just can't figure it out? I mean 330 million users last month...everyone one of them must be a TWIT as you don't use it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 On June 18, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Zac said: I have been a subscriber. It's more than worth it. The articles by Fairburn and Cover 1 today are better than any Bills article i've read in months with the exception of Graham's pieces on Allen. Man that was a good article. plus Fairburn and Baker...I'm thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 hours ago, fridge said: More childish and manufactured workplace drama? Riveting. Mike Harrington still memorializes the time he made Lindy snap during a press conference in his Twitter Bio. Lindy was/is my favorite Buffalo coach of all time. I endorse this workplace drama if it uncovers what a total boob Harrington really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Blokestradamus said: I'm not a huge fan of Tim's acerbic personality, especially on social media. However, I think he's one of the most naturally gifted raconteurs I've read in sports journalism. I've read some of his work on subjects that I have little to no interest in and, somehow, Tim has an innate ability to connect with me as the reader. I'll probably give it a little time before subscribing but I'm more inclined to pay for content if Tim is writing it. Again, I think Tim is a pretty decent reporter, when he wants to be. But "gifted raconteur" how I'd describe him. Wawrow is more the "raconteur" type, even if he can't really show it in his daily writing. Maybe just a matter of personal taste. I should have brought this up earlier. The OP of this thread has exactly 2 posts, including starting this thread. IMO that makes this an advertisement, disguised as content. Horrible practice, IMO. Honestly, had I noticed that earlier, I wouldn't supported the thread with any content. We should be better educated, more scrupulous consumers. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 34 minutes ago, stony said: Mike Harrington still memorializes the time he made Lindy snap during a press conference in his Twitter Bio. Lindy was/is my favorite Buffalo coach of all time. I endorse this workplace drama if it uncovers what a total boob Harrington really is. Didn't Harrington resort to some name calling years ago on Twitter, name calling that called a person's mental capabilities into question by using an unacceptable term? Graham's social media persona seems to be that of a jerk, but is Harrington as pure and blameless as the driven snow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, The Dean said: Again, I think Tim is a pretty decent reporter, when he wants to be. But "gifted raconteur" how I'd describe him. Wawrow is more the "raconteur" type, even if he can't really show it in his daily writing. Maybe just a matter of personal taste. 1 I think it's entirely personal taste. I've done a bit of blogging before and Tim is a writer that I looked up to during that time. The way he writes definitely resonates with me. As far as Wawrow goes; I think John is definitely in that raconteur class, primarily through Twitter. His flair and vocabulary come out to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) On 6/18/2018 at 1:35 PM, bbb said: Shots fired from Graham to Harrington?: I'm late to this. This is really crazy. Why would Graham do something like this? It's a little pathological. Edited June 20, 2018 by dave mcbride 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Didn't Harrington resort to some name calling years ago on Twitter, name calling that called a person's mental capabilities into question by using an unacceptable term? Graham's social media persona seems to be that of a jerk, but is Harrington as pure and blameless as the driven snow? They are the two worst on twitter. They deserve each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: I'm late to this. This is really crazy. Why would Graham do something like this? It's a little pathological. Picked up pointers from when he interviewed O.J.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Don't care much about Tim Graham on twitter. But, I can say I subscribed to The Athletic two days ago and it is definitely worth the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I wouldn't say they are poaching talent, more like they are collecting guys that got let go because ESPN is more concerned about twitter and highlights vs sports writing. But I've been a subscriber for ~8 months and it's worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 NO...too much free content on the internet to justify paying a fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 On 6/18/2018 at 1:48 PM, PromoTheRobot said: Graham might have violated Twitter's ToS by tweeting what was a private message. even when i attempt to avoid promo, i am unable to. here i was, off the board for nearly a week. second thread i open, and this sticks out like the proverbial sore thumb of bald audacity. No, he didn't. and as a service to all, let me actually provide you to an actual link of what Twitter considers to be private. https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-information but, of course, people here could have looked that up on their own before firing off a post that has no basis in fact. and you wanna be a Bills reporter. smh jw 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, john wawrow said: even when i attempt to avoid promo, i am unable to. here i was, off the board for nearly a week. second thread i open, and this sticks out like the proverbial sore thumb of bald audacity. No, he didn't. and as a service to all, let me actually provide you to an actual link of what Twitter considers to be private. https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-information but, of course, people here could have looked that up on their own before firing off a post that has no basis in fact. and you wanna be a Bills reporter. smh jw Many people here don't like Tim, but for reasons that have nothing to do with his reporting. These types can't separate what they read from what they feel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Blokestradamus said: I think it's entirely personal taste. I've done a bit of blogging before and Tim is a writer that I looked up to during that time. The way he writes definitely resonates with me. As far as Wawrow goes; I think John is definitely in that raconteur class, primarily through Twitter. His flair and vocabulary come out to play. i've been reluctant to like all of these posts until i finally summoned up the courage to look up "raconteur." and now that i have, i'm still not sure whether to trust your judgement of character. ? jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderingHerd Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 To answer the OP, i signed up last night. Already love the Sabres and Bills stories I've read so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 What really happened: The Buffalo News loses half their sports staff in the span of a month The Buffalo News had a dismal first quarter of 2018. According to an internal memo circulated to the entire News staff, it was their first quarterly loss in more than 40 years. Even still, their goal wasn’t to gut their sports department editorial staff - or any other department’s - says management. The News’ sports department had been veteran-laden. Vic Carucci, Jay Skurski, and Mark Gaughan were on the Buffalo Bills beat, and John Vogl and Mike Harrington had the Buffalo Sabres beat covered. They were supplemented by columnists Jerry Sullivan and Bucky Gleason, along with sports enterprise reporter Tim Graham. Other reporters pitched in on a robust staff led by sports editor Josh Barnett and deputy sports editors Bob DiCesare and Keith McShea. That was one month ago. Today, six of those staffers are no longer in the sports department. According to those former members of The Buffalo News, a snowball became an avalanche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: What really happened: The Buffalo News loses half their sports staff in the span of a month The Buffalo News had a dismal first quarter of 2018. According to an internal memo circulated to the entire News staff, it was their first quarterly loss in more than 40 years. Even still, their goal wasn’t to gut their sports department editorial staff - or any other department’s - says management. The News’ sports department had been veteran-laden. Vic Carucci, Jay Skurski, and Mark Gaughan were on the Buffalo Bills beat, and John Vogl and Mike Harrington had the Buffalo Sabres beat covered. They were supplemented by columnists Jerry Sullivan and Bucky Gleason, along with sports enterprise reporter Tim Graham. Other reporters pitched in on a robust staff led by sports editor Josh Barnett and deputy sports editors Bob DiCesare and Keith McShea. That was one month ago. Today, six of those staffers are no longer in the sports department. According to those former members of The Buffalo News, a snowball became an avalanche. I am not sure how others will take this article as it clearly highlighting the writers as victims. But when I read it, especially the quotes from Sullivan, Gleason and Graham I can 100% see why the BN did what they did. Specifically: When the editors told Sullivan his editorials were tired: They were correct, his writing was becoming predictable and unecessarily negative. Personally, I am fine with reading constructive criticism, but Sullivan's articles had become somewhere on the extreme side of that. It was clear he had a personal agenda against the Bills and as time wore on the Pegulas. The articles were becoming trite and boring. The writers suggesting if the BN Blitz was more heavily geared towards the Sabres it would have been more successful: This shows how truly how out of touch these writers had become. I am sorry, I know this town loves hockey but the true draw is football. The failure of the Blitz wasnt about football vs. hockey, it was about fans of the sports teams being sick of the tired articles the BN was providing. Few people wanted to pay for a sub standard product. Even 2 or 3 dollars a month was too much for the 1 or 2 times a year Tim Graham knocks it out of the park, because most of the other content was worthless and filled with sarcasm. The BN knew they had to try and start fresh and rebrand themselves, it was a good move, the mistake they made was putting the same bad product in a different wrapper. Pissed about non-guild writers having their articles published on BN Blitz: This is where the writers true colors shine the most. Let me illuminate what the writers are actually saying here, 'We were pissed they hired Chris Trepasso to write for them." At some point, these guys forgot they were lucky to have people read their opinions, and started to think we were lucky to have their opinions in print in front of us everyday. Rather than be humbled by the opportunity, the awards they give one another started to inflate their self perception. Things like this, are clear evidence their elitism and hubris got the best of them. You guys thought you were better than covering the Bills, it was clear in your sarcasm laced editorials and even more clear in how disinterested and snarky you appeared in your post game videos and podcasts. If you didnt want to cover the Bills, and preferred to talk about basketball or Red Sox baseball, then stop collecting your checks and find a job in that space. No one was holding you hostage. And when people got sick and tired of your jaded takes, don't be surprised when they find someone else to do you job, guild or non guild. They Didn't See it Coming: Again with the hubris. Your lack of effort in producing good content lost your company money. And when your company attempted to fix the issues, while still keeping you on, you blamed them. This high brow idea that News is an art, or above capitalism is so out of touch. You guys aren't special, no matter how well you think you write. No clue how they didnt see it coming. The real story here is not they didnt see it coming, rather they thought they were so untouchable they never thought anyone would hold them accountable for their actions. These guys arent victims. They are elitist who feel they are better than everyone else because someone hired them to write something. Additonally, how immature to tweet thank yous to the Buffalo News and then turn around and give takes like this to Buffalo Rumblings, no offense to their site but my guess is some of the writers there are non-guild, but just a hunch. The typewriter bullies finally came up against people (The Pegulas) who had the sway to stand up to them. Edited June 22, 2018 by thenorthremembers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: I am not sure how others will take this article as it clearly highlighting the writers as victims. But when I read it, especially the quotes from Sullivan, Gleason and Graham I can 100% see why the BN did what they did. Specifically: When the editors told Sullivan his editorials were tired: They were correct, his writing was becoming predictable and unecessarily negative. Personally, I am fine with reading constructive criticism, but Sullivan's articles had become somewhere on the extreme side of that. It was clear he had a personal agenda against the Bills and as time wore on the Pegulas. The articles were becoming trite and boring. The writers suggesting if the BN Blitz was more heavily geared towards the Sabres it would have been more successful: This shows how truly how out of touch these writers had become. I am sorry, I know this town loves hockey but the true draw is football. The failure of the Blitz wasnt about football vs. hockey, it was about fans of the sports teams being sick of the tired articles the BN was providing. Few people wanted to pay for a sub standard product. Even 2 or 3 dollars a month was too much for the 1 or 2 times a year Tim Graham knocks it out of the park, because most of the other content was worthless and filled with sarcasm. The BN knew they had to try and start fresh and rebrand themselves, it was a good move, the mistake they made was putting the same bad product in a different wrapper. Pissed about non-guild writers having their articles published on BN Blitz: This is where the writers true colors shine the most. Let me illuminate what the writers are actually saying here, 'We were pissed they hired Chris Trepasso to write for them." At some point, these guys forgot they were lucky to have people read their opinions, and started to think we were lucky to have their opinions in print in front of us everyday. Rather than be humbled by the opportunity, the awards they give one another started to inflate their self perception. Things like this, are clear evidence their elitism and hubris got the best of them. You guys thought you were better than covering the Bills, it was clear in your sarcasm laced editorials and even more clear in how disinterested and snarky you appeared in your post game videos and podcasts. If you didnt want to cover the Bills, and preferred to talk about basketball or Red Sox baseball, then stop collecting your checks and find a job in that space. No one was holding you hostage. And when people got sick and tired of your jaded takes, don't be surprised when they find someone else to do you job, guild or non guild. They Didn't See it Coming: Again with the hubris. Your lack of effort in producing good content lost your company money. And when your company attempted to fix the issues, while still keeping you on, you blamed them. This high brow idea that News is an art, or above capitalism is so out of touch. You guys aren't special, no matter how well you think you write. No clue how they didnt see it coming. The real story here is not they didnt see it coming, rather they thought they were so untouchable they never thought anyone would hold them accountable for their actions. These guys arent victims. They are elitist who feel they are better than everyone else because someone hired them to write something. Additonally, how immature to tweet thank yous to the Buffalo News and then turn around and give takes like this to Buffalo Rumblings, no offense to their site but my guess is some of the writers there are non-guild, but just a hunch. The typewriter bullies finally came up against people (The Pegulas) who had the sway to stand up to them. This is an outstanding post! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekills17 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) On 6/19/2018 at 8:03 PM, BuffaloRush said: Thanks man. I wouldn’t rule out subscribing in the future. Just going to wait and see. Also so what’s your website!?!?! It was originally - about 10 years ago - where I started converting my recorded Bills games to very low quality online videos so my brothers (and sisters) in arms down range could watch the latest games. Since then it's expanded to other junk, like tech and some retro gaming stuff I'm interested in, but primarily still a repo of past games. As I'm deployed again (Afghanistan, again) it's likely this will be another missed year of updates, unfortunately. I'm also not sure which of the videos work, as my hosting platforms keep exceeding my financial ability to use them, so I have to frequently find another technique/location to save the files. As I'm in a limited bandwidth area, I don't have the ability to do that right now. edit: Oh you literally meant what is my website? https://www.timekills.org but the relevant part is probably https://www.timekills.org/bills-video/ Edited June 25, 2018 by timekills17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Another excellent addition to The Athletic: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 I never got my t-shirt. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: I never got my t-shirt. ? It takes 2-4 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: I never got my t-shirt. ? Any 'fine print' in the offer? "Allow 4-6 months for free gift to arrive"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It takes 2-4 weeks. 4 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Any 'fine print' in the offer? "Allow 4-6 months for free gift to arrive"? BUT I WANT IT NOWWWWWWW!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: BUT I WANT IT NOWWWWWWW!!! Just go back over there with the other half of 'Johnny and Jimmy' and play the accordion until we call you. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 I signed up. Its great content and the articles are pretty well written. Plus that have tons of national stuff. As a guy trying to get off twitter, this is an excellent alternative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 I wouldn't support anything with Graham's name on it if I had billions of dollars. In this day and age, where everyone wants to be a brand, and in fact where columnists have always been a brand, his brand sucks. I don't ignore anti-social, a$$hat behavior when I buy or support something. Why? Because there are better alternatives out there, we don't have to accept idiots and what they peddle. One bad apple spoils the bunch. But good luck to them. Even with that tool. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Just go back over there with the other half of 'Johnny and Jimmy' and play the accordion until we call you. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 25 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Do you suppose anyone knows the famous relative that Mr. Thomas / Roberts can claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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