Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

It’s the offseason.   

 

 

 

...still WELL short of the 61,483 TT threads and the 42,761 EJ threads.......I know, I counted them.............but we still have time........

[reddogblitz]

14 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I would think 0.  By the way I really like your new Avatar!

 

Thanks, me too. I was at the draft and Pancho announcing that pick was amazing.

 

I could only roll with the Clowns starting Quarterback for so long.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

17 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

How many did it in one half before getting unceremoniously benched?

He sucked.  

 

But why was he even on the field?  

 

In 5 weeks time does 42, 36 and 34 ring a bell?  

[ColoradoBills]

10 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Thanks, me too. I was at the draft and Pancho announcing that pick was amazing.

 

I could only roll with the Clowns starting Quarterback for so long.

 

I bet it was!  I was home whipping a shirt sleeve on my face.  I envy you being at this years draft.

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, mileena said:

Peterman's career is done. It's over. You never recover from throwing 5 picks in one half, even a seasoned veteran. Mentally, the effects are devastating. Jay Schroeder, a Pro Bowl QB, threw 5 picks in the 1990 AFC Championship vs Buffalo, and he never recovered. Went from a career high 90.8 QB rating that year to 71.4 in 1991 and never higher again.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SchrJa00.htm

 

Annotated list of QBs who have thrown 5 interceptions in a game:

Dan Fouts

Dan Marino

Bart Starr

George Blanda

Joe Namath

Brett Favre

Matt Ryan

Drew Brees

Ben Roethlisberger

Matthew Stafford

Kurt Warner

Johnny Unitas

Ken Stabler

Joe Ferguson

Peyton Manning

Warren Moon

John Elway

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Annotated list of QBs who have thrown 5 interceptions in a game:

Dan Fouts

Dan Marino

Bart Starr

George Blanda

Joe Namath

Brett Favre

Matt Ryan

Drew Brees

Ben Roethlisberger

Matthew Stafford

Kurt Warner

Johnny Unitas

Ken Stabler

Joe Ferguson

Peyton Manning

Warren Moon

John Elway

 

What size will Peterman need? 

[Kirby Jackson]

33 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

 

Annotated list of QBs who have thrown 5 interceptions in a game:

Dan Fouts

Dan Marino

Bart Starr

George Blanda

Joe Namath

Brett Favre

Matt Ryan

Drew Brees

Ben Roethlisberger

Matthew Stafford

Kurt Warner

Johnny Unitas

Ken Stabler

Joe Ferguson

Peyton Manning

Warren Moon

John Elway

 

 

How many did it in their first half ever? Brett Favre started 298 games. It’s reasonable to throw 5 INTs in a game over almost 19 seasons. It’s really not the same as your first 14 pass attempts. Favre attempted 10,169 passes. Those things aren’t really comparable.

 

I’d like to see the stats of guys picked 191 or later that threw 5 INTs in their first 14 attempts that went on to have great careers? That would be an interesting list.

[BurpleBull]

6 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

I think we have a crystal clear understanding of your agenda. Between the bolded statement above, and your admission that you were predicting the Bills would draft Peterman, you have pretty much shown your hand. 

 

I mentioned earlier that this reminded me of the EJ debate. But, the EJ fanatics had a lot more to go on than you. Don’t expect a lot of company on your crusade, which I predict will be short-lived. 

 

What on earth are you talking about???

 

Since the "agenda" has been made crystal clear, please explain to me what that agenda is, because I don't know what you are talking about.

 

I never predicted that the Bills would draft Peterman, I suggested that the Bills should draft him and they ended up doing it. 

 

The McDermott hire was more so a prediction, because I narrowed the hires down to two choices, one being McDermott and then it happened.

 

Agenda?

[Kirby Jackson]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

If Peterman was on any other team Bills fans would be laughing their asses off at that team if he started Week 1. 

Sad but true

[Augie]

I’m not putting Peterman in the HOF, or even on the practice squad, but the position they put him in against the Chargers last year is unconscionable, for so many reasons. I’m a big fan of our FO so far, but that was a serious head scratcher.

[Punching Bag]

On 5/31/2018 at 8:47 AM, ScottLaw said:

If Peterman doesn't start week 1, DO NOT put him on the practice squad. He is going to be snatched up in a hurry......?

I hope so and that he starts against us.  Our DBs could use more picks.

On 5/31/2018 at 10:54 AM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Poor decision is still too generous. I’m hoping it was Rico beating the Peterman drum on that and swayed McDermott grudgingly to give it a shot.  

 

Yes mcprocess is still accountable, but I’m just hoping the impetus for the stupidity wasn’t from the guys still running the show.

 

Maybe the pushing for P5t5rman to start is what was enough of a factor to make decision to let go our former OC easy.

On 5/31/2018 at 3:09 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

If you wanted Peterman drafted I get why you are sticking by him. I was fine with the pick and thought he had a chance to be a number 2 in this league.

 

It is ironic that in his first game as starter from being a 5th round pick he makes 5 picks.

 

Maybe 5 is his lucky number!

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...Peterman will continue to make progress in his development and eventually ends up on the PS IMO......realistic expectation for a 5th rounder......McCarron starts and Allen is #2....and I wouldn't mind having the same trio in 2019 perhaps with Allen being ready to start and McCarron #2.......if the development of all goes well, this could be somewhat near the Kelly/Reich duo plus 1.......I could handle that....

Edited June 2, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[3rdand12]

16 hours ago, Augie said:

I’m not putting Peterman in the HOF, or even on the practice squad, but the position they put him in against the Chargers last year is unconscionable, for so many reasons. I’m a big fan of our FO so far, but that was a serious head scratcher.

I agree. I expect it was to shut up Dennison and others.

[HOUSE]

17 hours ago, Augie said:

I’m not putting Peterman in the HOF, or even on the practice squad, but the position they put him in against the Chargers last year is unconscionable, for so many reasons. I’m a big fan of our FO so far, but that was a serious head scratcher.

 

As bad as he played has no bearing on the future. Was a brain fart, got rattled and never recovered in time

[Augie]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

I agree. I expect it was to shut up Dennison and others.

 

I also believe that to be true. The point was proven. The timing was perfect if you’re trying to prove the point. 

[3rdand12]

Just now, Augie said:

 

I also believe that to be true. The point was proven. The timing was perfect if you’re trying to prove the point. 

I too scratched my head when the call was made. and even more so after watching such a disappointing effort come game time..
Just conjecture from me really

[Augie]

57 minutes ago, THE SLAMMER said:

 

As bad as he played has no bearing on the future. Was a brain fart, got rattled and never recovered in time

 

I agree, I honestly think he can be a very serviceable backup if things work out. I won’t judge him solely on that debacle. But it was SO BAD it’s almost funny. (It felt like the beginning of John Grisham’s book Playing For Pizza - very funny.) 

1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

I too scratched my head when the call was made. and even more so after watching such a disappointing effort come game time..
Just conjecture from me really

 

There were those rumors swirling at the time, but I have no idea if there was any basis for it. That and a RT snoozing on the job make for a lot of curious things about that game. 

[BurpleBull]

1 hour ago, THE SLAMMER said:

 

As bad as he played has no bearing on the future. Was a brain fart, got rattled and never recovered in time

 

Nonsense...five is the universally recognized unlucky number that spells certain career doom for NFL quarterbacks who throw INTs.

 

Only a matter of time before NFL Films begins releasing a slew of slashers titled Friday the 5th, starring Nathan Peterman as maniac career killer, Nathan Voorhees.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

18 pages of this argument has led me to believe TBD is the only 3 ring circus that doesn't go south for the winter.

[Punching Bag]

11 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...Peterman will continue to make progress in his development and eventually ends up on the PS IMO......realistic expectation for a 5th rounder......McCarron starts and Allen is #2....and I wouldn't mind having the same trio in 2019 perhaps with Allen being ready to start and McCarron #2.......if the development of all goes well, this could be somewhat near the Kelly/Reich duo plus 1.......I could handle that....

 

So does that make P5terman Billy Joe?   No that is too crew even for him.

 

It makes him Van Pelt who beat Marwhino's record in college!

8 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

18 pages of this argument has led me to believe TBD is the only 3 ring circus that doesn't go south for the winter.

 

Wrong act. Circus freak show not one belonging in ring. Rings and Bills do not go together.

[BurpleBull]

 

According to this guy:

 

Josh Allen (Third team) 12 of 18 "...mixed results".

 

1st two-min. drill; threw INT to Breon Borders.

 

2nd two-min. drill; led team for TD (scoring TD going to Robert Foster).

_______________________________

 

AJ McCarron ---  (First team) 15 of 19  "...nice first down throws". 

 

No TDs.

 

Led drive that ended with a would-be FG attempt.

_______________________________

 

Nathan Peterman (Second team) 13 of 15 "...pretty good day".

 

Threw a TD early on to Brandon Reilly during redzone drills.

 

Led Bills into redzone, ending on what would have been a FG attempt.

 

 

The media reporting, day of the OTAs has been so unbalanced; seems like there's been an effort to trivialize the positive contributions of the less heralded QB's.

 

Good for Peterman.

[FappyTheClown]

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Sunday, Nov. 4, home game vs. Chicago Bears, Josh Allen MUST and WILL. start as quarterback!

 

I'll be ********* if I chew up board space with any of these asinine prediction threads.  I'll just tack them onto similar 'shots in the dark'.

[BurpleBull]

9 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Sunday, Nov. 4, home game vs. Chicago Bears, Josh Allen MUST and WILL. start as quarterback!

 

I'll be ********* if I chew up board space with any of these asinine prediction threads.  I'll just tack them onto similar 'shots in the dark'.

 

There is nothing asinine about this thread.

 

You feeling Josh Allen should start ASAP doesn't cancel out any idea that contradicts that or make it asinine.

 

There will be hysteria in here if Peterman jumps ahead in the pecking order because there seems to be very little appreciation for slow and steady progress. There's a want for missiles being thrown all over the field.

 

There's always the want for immediate gratification, always the want for what's considered "sexy".

 

FTR, I'm in support of Josh Allen, I just don't think he'll be starter week one barring something calamitous.

[papazoid]

Peterman starting ?????

 

he won't even dress for the game

[BurpleBull]

from NewyorkUpstate.com

 

On Thursday's OTA's:

 

Peterman on fire

 

"Nathan Peterman took the bulk of the reps with the first-team offense on Thursday and thrived in doing so. He completed 17 of his 21 passes during team drills and looked particularly impressive during the two-minute drill portion of practice. Three of his completions went to Brandon Reilly on Thursday and another three went to Jeremy Kerley. Peterman seemed to be much more decisive with the football than we've seen him in the past".  

 

[Juice_32]

2 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

from NewyorkUpstate.com

 

On Thursday's OTA's:

 

Peterman on fire

 

"Nathan Peterman took the bulk of the reps with the first-team offense on Thursday and thrived in doing so. He completed 17 of his 21 passes during team drills and looked particularly impressive during the two-minute drill portion of practice. Three of his completions went to Brandon Reilly on Thursday and another three went to Jeremy Kerley. Peterman seemed to be much more decisive with the football than we've seen him in the past".  

 

 

I wonder how much of him being "more decisive" has to do with his reported work in the off-season on his arm strength? The ball could be getting there faster simply because his noodle arm is more al dente than last year. We have seen a few positive reports on Peterman but I hadn't seen anything in particular about his arm strength. We may have to wait until the TBD camp reports to really know.

[Buffalo Boy]

4 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

from NewyorkUpstate.com

 

On Thursday's OTA's:

 

Peterman on fire

 

"Nathan Peterman took the bulk of the reps with the first-team offense on Thursday and thrived in doing so. He completed 17 of his 21 passes during team drills and looked particularly impressive during the two-minute drill portion of practice. Three of his completions went to Brandon Reilly on Thursday and another three went to Jeremy Kerley. Peterman seemed to be much more decisive with the football than we've seen him in the past".  

 

The “ Legend” doing what he does!!!!

Week 1 Starter

[BurpleBull]

1 hour ago, Juice_32 said:

 

I wonder how much of him being "more decisive" has to do with his reported work in the off-season on his arm strength? The ball could be getting there faster simply because his noodle arm is more al dente than last year. We have seen a few positive reports on Peterman but I hadn't seen anything in particular about his arm strength. We may have to wait until the TBD camp reports to really know.

 

Improving arm strength is one of those things that I think of as optional for NFL QB's and some don't even think it's attainable, you're either born with it or you're born without it being the thinking. 

 

It's awesome that Peterman cited it as something to improve on, because it shows that he's mapped out his flaws, with that said, outside of Peterman, it's more the fans who would suggest that he needs to improve his arm strength to make a significant jump as a QB whether true or not. 

 

I doubt we'd get any reports on a stronger armed Peterman even if he made good on his efforts.

[BurpleBull]

On 5/25/2018 at 8:10 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

No, it’s definitely not. I’d be happy to make a friendly wager, you take Peterman, I get Allen and it’s a push if McCarron starts. You name the stakes...

 

First day of mandatory minicamp.

 

More and more it's looking and sounding like a two-man battle between McCarron and Peterman as I suggested with Allen being brought along slowly.

 

Still there?

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

First day of mandatory minicamp.

 

More and more it's looking and sounding like a two-man battle between McCarron and Peterman as I suggested with Allen being brought along slowly.

 

Still there?

Ha ha ha, yeah. By the way are you still quoting yourself? If you think that the Bills are eliminating the 7th overall pick from consideration, at MINICAMP, because of Peterman and McCarron, you are crazy. 

[GunnerBill]

On 6/2/2018 at 12:41 AM, ScottLaw said:

If Peterman was on any other team Bills fans would be laughing their asses off at that team if he started Week 1. 

 

I will be laughing my ass off at the Bills too...... because the only alternative is crying.  

[Boca BIlls]

12 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

First day of mandatory minicamp.

 

More and more it's looking and sounding like a two-man battle between McCarron and Peterman as I suggested with Allen being brought along slowly.

 

Still there?

Peterman might not even be on the team come week 1.

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I will be laughing my ass off at the Bills too...... because the only alternative is crying.  

GB, what are your thoughts on McCarron? I don’t know if I remember reading your opinion on him at any point. To me, he has a chance to be a reliable backup that can give you a few weeks if needed. He feels a little “Brian Hoyerish.” McCarron is a nice addition for the price, but probably not a starter in this league. 

[cd1]

Actually, after reading through this thread, I am HOPING Nate Peterman is the Bills starting QB day one!

 

It would be worth it just to see all the heads explode around here. 

Edited June 12, 2018 by cd1

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

GB, what are your thoughts on McCarron? I don’t know if I remember reading your opinion on him at any point. To me, he has a chance to be a reliable backup that can give you a few weeks if needed. He feels a little “Brian Hoyerish.” McCarron is a nice addition for the price, but probably not a starter in this league. 

 

He is someone I really have not seen a lot of. I have been intending to go back to each of the games he started in Cincy but haven't got around to it yet. I'm away on vacation next week so might download them for by the pool. But on the basis of what I have seen my view is similar to yours. In that Brian Hoyer camp - somewhere between 25th and 35th best Quarterback in the NFL, one of the best backups but a low end starter. 

[BurpleBull]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Ha ha ha, yeah. By the way are you still quoting yourself? If you think that the Bills are eliminating the 7th overall pick from consideration, at MINICAMP, because of Peterman and McCarron, you are crazy. 

 

Lol. Where did I quote myself?

 

Daboll and McDermott seem to have had a plan for bringing Allen along when they drafted himand it doesn't seem as though they will deviate from it simply due to where Allen was selected.

 

That may be what some fans want, but this new regime isn't easily moved, are disciplined, and will remain steadfast in their approach unless something truly amazing takes place.

 

I haven't gone as far as to say they are eliminating Josh Allen from the competition but he will have to wow them by doing more than ripping passes to have them reverse course and ditch their plan to bring him along slowly in order to give him the time necessary to work on the fundamentals necessary to play QB in the NFL.

 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Lol. Where did I quote myself?

 

Daboll and McDermott seem to have had a plan for bringing Allen along when they drafted himand it doesn't seem as though they will deviate from it simply due to where Allen was selected.

 

That may be what some fans want, but this new regime isn't easily moved, are disciplined, and will remain steadfast in their approach unless something truly amazing takes place.

 

I haven't gone as far as to say they are eliminating Josh Allen from the competition but he will have to wow them by doing more than ripping passes to have them reverse course and ditch their plan to bring him along slowly in order to give him the time necessary to work on the fundamentals necessary to play QB in the NFL.

 

 

 

That whole 1st day of minicamp tea leaf reading was from you or someone there? 

 

They said that they had a plan and not once have they indicated that he wouldn’t start early. The Browns went on record. The Bills never said anything but “it’s a competition.”  You and I clearly read that differently. If you get through the BS they are saying “as soon as we think Allen is ready we hand him the keys.” Now, that may not be day one but the rep count at minicamp couldn’t possibly be less relevant. He’s not the one that needs to “wow.” He already did “wow” which is why they traded up to get him. He just needs to show that he is ready. 

[BurpleBull]

1 hour ago, Boca BIlls said:

Peterman might not even be on the team come week 1.

 

You could say the same thing about Shaq Lawson just as you could say the same for Austin Proehl. 

 

Peterman is in the same tier as Shaq Lawson in terms of relevance, so it is unlikely and would come as a surprise if he weren't on the team come week one.

[Luxy312]

1 minute ago, BurpleBull said:

 

You could say the same thing about Shaq Lawson just as you could say the same for Austin Proehl. 

 

Peterman is in the same tier as Shaq Lawson in terms of relevance, so it is unlikely and would come as a surprise if he weren't on the team come week one.

 

Wrong.  If the Bills let Shaq Lawson go now, they would accelerate additional dead cap by another $3.2 million (counting $6.0 million instead of $2.8 million).  There's now reason to let a high draft pick go at this point that actually showed potential in games last season.  On the flip side, Peterman is basically playing on a league minimum contract for $600K and the team saves $400K by letting him go.  Apples and oranges in terms of relevance.