row_33 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Big Blitz said: What is the reason they are seeking asylum? Do you know this as fact? All of them? Do you know what conditions/criteria are needed for you to be granted asylum and that it doesn't happen because you show up at the Mexican border. Until its shown (via the rule of law) that you can be granted asylum, you are an ILLEGAL. What about freedom to do whatever you want with no regard for others or even yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Big Blitz said: What is the reason they are seeking asylum? Do you know this as fact? All of them? Do you know what conditions/criteria are needed for you to be granted asylum and that it doesn't happen because you show up at the Mexican border. Until its shown (via the rule of law) that you can be granted asylum, you are an ILLEGAL. Don’t pose obviously logical questions! I’ve been asking the same thing. Is there a war in Central America? Was there a recent natural disaster? Is there a sudden ethnic cleansing going on down there? Has there been a government takeover? If so why haven’t I seen it on the news? Answer.....the claims for asylum are TOTALLY bogus and do not fit the test that the statute is based on. Do you see anyone in congress asking these questions? No! We, the taxpayers, are just being asked to throw money at the ‘crisis’. How about we tell these people to go home and we get to work maintaining the roads that I paid for! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Don’t pose obviously logical questions! I’ve been asking the same thing. Is there a war in Central America? Was there a recent natural disaster? Is there a sudden ethnic cleansing going on down there? Has there been a government takeover? If so why haven’t I seen it on the news? Answer.....the claims for asylum are TOTALLY bogus and do not fit the test that the statute is based on. Do you see anyone in congress asking these questions? No! We, the taxpayers, are just being asked to throw money at the ‘crisis’. How about we tell these people to go home and we get to work maintaining the roads that I paid for! There are obviously procedures in place and requirements that need to be met to seek asylum. I was looking at the application just now. There is nowhere in it that asks “Are you seeking asylum because the US is a great place and your home country sucks balls?” 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 And the application is 12 pages and in English. Now I will say it should be offered in other languages and it may well be but the questions are very specific and any yes answers require you explain in detail. It’s not as simple as AOC and others make it. It’s not wander across the border hands up and say “take me to your leader!” There is a process. And if that process is not followed then there are other channels for citizenship. But again there are processes. If you do not or cannot follow the process you are sent packing. Simple is that. 35 years ago I worked with a Brit at a restaurant. He was applying for citizenship. He used the owner of the restaurant as a sponsor and had a lawyer. He was so pissed at the hoops he was jumping through while there were all sorts of illegals working with us that thumbed their noses at the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Chef Jim said: And the application is 12 pages and in English. Now I will say it should be offered in other languages and it may well be but the questions are very specific and any yes answers require you explain in detail. It’s not as simple as AOC and others make it. It’s not wander across the border hands up and say “take me to your leader!” There is a process. And if that process is not followed then there are other channels for citizenship. But again there are processes. If you do not or cannot follow the process you are sent packing. Simple is that. 35 years ago I worked with a Brit at a restaurant. He was applying for citizenship. He used the owner of the restaurant as a sponsor and had a lawyer. He was so pissed at the hoops he was jumping through while there were all sorts of illegals working with us that thumbed their noses at the process. Asylum seekers have a year to fill out the I-589 after entering the country, too. It's important to know that the asylum application you found is a USCIS form. USCIS grants "products" to immigrants - DACA, permanent residency, citizenship, TPS, etc. It is not involved in border enforcement, though - that's CBP. And CBP handling of asylum seekers crossing the border is different, and unrelated to USCIS. That's where a lot of the confusion comes in. CBP's process of detainment for hearing is unrelated to the USCIS petition for asylum. CBP's process is more analogous to an ex post facto visa application allowing temporary residency for the asylum seeker to request asylum. No one is actually "granted asylum" at the border, though...because CBP is responsible for the border, and does not grant asylum. USCIS grants asylum...but is not responsible for the border. Yes, it's actually pretty screwed up. CBP handles the border; USCIS handles residency, asylum, and citizenship; INS handles deportations. And Justice runs the immigration courts, State grants visas (though USCIS handles some of the visa applications). HHS is responsible for child detention and child care. And FBI, Transportation, CIA, and DoD have various fingers in various immigration pies. It's a cockamamie system badly in need of legislative reform...that we'll not get, because both sides of the aisle would rather perpetuate the problem for election politics than fix it. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 21, 2019 Author Share Posted July 21, 2019 Justin Bieber ✔@justinbieber I want my friend out.. I appreciate you trying to help him. But while your at it @realDonaldTrump can you also let those kids out of cages? 881K 12:15 AM - Jul 20, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 223K people are talking about this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Foxx Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: and yet... the Donners rejected humanitarian aid 17 times. hilarious the feigned outrage. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 On 7/8/2019 at 3:27 PM, SoCal Deek said: Let’s put them in cubicles. We’ll need tons of Spanish speakers for the proposed Medicare For All program. ...Guantanamo vacation...all inclusive...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Foxx said: and yet... the Donners rejected humanitarian aid 17 times. hilarious the feigned outrage. Trump continually asking Congress to legislate a fix is good messaging. He's trying to make this stick to the Ds, as the house needs to write up some changes. Should be interesting to see if it works. Edited July 21, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: "Defecating in silver paper". Does he mean shitthebed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Trump continually asking Congress to legislate a fix is good messaging. He's trying to make this stick to the Ds, as the house needs to write up some changes. Should be interesting to see if it works. Except that it's being reported as "House Democrats refusing to fund concentration camps." So it'll never stick to the D's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: Justin Bieber ✔@justinbieber I want my friend out.. I appreciate you trying to help him. But while your at it @realDonaldTrump can you also let those kids out of cages? 881K 12:15 AM - Jul 20, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 223K people are talking about this Shut up Justin and go back to your own country! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, pop gun said: Shut up Justin and go back to your own country! Every so often I stop and wonder where we'd be today without Justin Bieber, and quickly realize we'd be in exactly the same place we are, and get on with my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, pop gun said: Shut up Justin and go back to your own country! Send him back! Send him back! Send him back! Send him back! Send him back! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 54 minutes ago, pop gun said: Shut up Justin and go back to your own country! 32 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Send him back! Send him back! Send him back! Send him back! Send him back! An issue that both sides can unite in favor of 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 ....tell me why the eff my late grandparents on both sides had to do it the RIGHT WAY through Ellis Island as Italian immigrants?.....what changed?.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....tell me why the eff my late grandparents on both sides had to do it the RIGHT WAY through Ellis Island as Italian immigrants?.....what changed?.... Ask the Demonrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, njbuff said: Ask the Demonrats. ...I called their 800 number and it's been disconnected?....now what?........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...I called their 800 number and it's been disconnected?....now what?........... Go online to democratsaremorons.com ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....tell me why the eff my late grandparents on both sides had to do it the RIGHT WAY through Ellis Island as Italian immigrants?.....what changed?.... They came from Europe by ship and were better controlled. The southern border has always been porous but not until the mid to late 1800's did we need to import substantial amounts of farm workers. They came from Mexico and either returned there in the winters or holed up in our cities. It used to mainly be single male workers who crossed our borders for work, work that we needed done. Now we are getting a large influx of families and fake families and our laws were not set up to deal with it. A good book that is fiction but generally true (and is easy to read) is Centennial by James Michener. Like most of his books he follows different family lines throughout the centuries and the reader is able to get to read a historic novel. Edited July 22, 2019 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, pop gun said: Shut up Justin and go back to your own country! ...and don't come back! added for context... Edited July 21, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....tell me why the eff my late grandparents on both sides had to do it the RIGHT WAY through Ellis Island as Italian immigrants?.....what changed?.... We went through the process six years ago with my wife. Had to wait 22 months on a K1 visa because of the backlog of illegals. Many LEGAL immigrants (like my wife) can't stand those who are too lazy or impatient to go through the process, and will never vote for a candidate who supports open borders. Six months ago, when I was in California, I was shocked at how many Hispanics I spoke with are pro Trump. The general consensus was this: "We left for a reason. We don't want that scum anywhere near us." There will always be major resentment by many legal immigrants. This is the Democrats' biggest miscalculation on the issue. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: We went through the process six years ago with my wife. Had to wait 22 months on a K1 visa because of the backlog of illegals. Many LEGAL immigrants (like my wife) can't stand those who are too lazy or impatient to go through the process, and will never vote for a candidate who supports open borders. Six months ago, when I was in California, I was shocked at how many Hispanics I spoke with are pro Trump. The general consensus was this: "We left for a reason. We don't want that scum anywhere near us." There will always be major resentment by many legal immigrants. This is the Democrats' biggest miscalculation on the issue. ...we had the legal way process in place and abandoned it....those that did it the right way probably wonder why thy bothered, but I salute them 10000%.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 44 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: We went through the process six years ago with my wife. Had to wait 22 months on a K1 visa because of the backlog of illegals. Actually, you probably didn't. Illegal immigrants don't have much impact on the I-129 workload. The reason you had to wait 22 months is because immigration processing in this country, overall, are just FUBAR'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Actually, you probably didn't. Illegal immigrants don't have much impact on the I-129 workload. The reason you had to wait 22 months is because immigration processing in this country, overall, are just FUBAR'd. Whenever I had the opportunity to ask them about the delays at various stages of the process, that was the line -- "Have you seen what's going on at the border? We're stretched to the limit." Would I put it past them to lie? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....tell me why the eff my late grandparents on both sides had to do it the RIGHT WAY through Ellis Island as Italian immigrants?.....what changed?.... So did mine. I have zero sympathy for these people. Get back in line and wait your turn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 1:39 PM, DC Tom said: Asylum seekers have a year to fill out the I-589 after entering the country, too. It's important to know that the asylum application you found is a USCIS form. USCIS grants "products" to immigrants - DACA, permanent residency, citizenship, TPS, etc. It is not involved in border enforcement, though - that's CBP. And CBP handling of asylum seekers crossing the border is different, and unrelated to USCIS. That's where a lot of the confusion comes in. CBP's process of detainment for hearing is unrelated to the USCIS petition for asylum. CBP's process is more analogous to an ex post facto visa application allowing temporary residency for the asylum seeker to request asylum. No one is actually "granted asylum" at the border, though...because CBP is responsible for the border, and does not grant asylum. USCIS grants asylum...but is not responsible for the border. Yes, it's actually pretty screwed up. CBP handles the border; USCIS handles residency, asylum, and citizenship; INS handles deportations. And Justice runs the immigration courts, State grants visas (though USCIS handles some of the visa applications). HHS is responsible for child detention and child care. And FBI, Transportation, CIA, and DoD have various fingers in various immigration pies. It's a cockamamie system badly in need of legislative reform...that we'll not get, because both sides of the aisle would rather perpetuate the problem for election politics than fix it. Thanks for the breakdown. Would you say the racists are evenly spread out amongst the various departments, or is one more race-o-centric than the rest? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 1:39 PM, DC Tom said: Asylum seekers have a year to fill out the I-589 after entering the country, too. It's important to know that the asylum application you found is a USCIS form. USCIS grants "products" to immigrants - DACA, permanent residency, citizenship, TPS, etc. It is not involved in border enforcement, though - that's CBP. And CBP handling of asylum seekers crossing the border is different, and unrelated to USCIS. That's where a lot of the confusion comes in. CBP's process of detainment for hearing is unrelated to the USCIS petition for asylum. CBP's process is more analogous to an ex post facto visa application allowing temporary residency for the asylum seeker to request asylum. No one is actually "granted asylum" at the border, though...because CBP is responsible for the border, and does not grant asylum. USCIS grants asylum...but is not responsible for the border. Yes, it's actually pretty screwed up. CBP handles the border; USCIS handles residency, asylum, and citizenship; INS handles deportations. And Justice runs the immigration courts, State grants visas (though USCIS handles some of the visa applications). HHS is responsible for child detention and child care. And FBI, Transportation, CIA, and DoD have various fingers in various immigration pies. It's a cockamamie system badly in need of legislative reform...that we'll not get, because both sides of the aisle would rather perpetuate the problem for election politics than fix it. CBP does process some visa applications; like L, H, and TN. They then send the approved visa applications to USCIS to input. Also, immigration attorneys are employees of ICE, and not DOJ. It’s the judges who are DOJ. Just for further clarification on your point. State Dept issues all visas but any visa that involves an A-number has to have prior approval from DHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Whatnot78 said: CBP does process some visa applications; like L, H, and TN. They then send the approved visa applications to USCIS to input. Also, immigration attorneys are employees of ICE, and not DOJ. It’s the judges who are DOJ. Just for further clarification on your point. State Dept issues all visas but any visa that involves an A-number has to have prior approval from DHS. But CBP fills out Canadian TN visas...some of them. Others may not be a TN visa, but an I-129 processed by USCIS. Mexican TN visas, they have to apply at an Embassy, so they're processed by State... The main point being, it's a totally ***** up state of affairs. Clearly you work at DHS, because you call alien numbers "A numbers." Every - every - immigrant I've talked to calls them "alien numbers," and thinks "A-number" is ridiculous when I tell them I'm not allowed to call it that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Back to the point of the original question. I have a rebuttal question. Why wasn't this question asked back in 2014 when this was happening at a higher rate with another administration? All I hear are crickets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 54 minutes ago, njbuff said: Back to the point of the original question. I have a rebuttal question. Why wasn't this question asked back in 2014 when this was happening at a higher rate with another administration? Because shaddup raysis poopy pants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, njbuff said: Back to the point of the original question. I have a rebuttal question. Why wasn't this question asked back in 2014 when this was happening at a higher rate with another administration? All I hear are crickets. The kids were older and unaccompanied in 2014 whereas the kids today arrived with their parents and are separated? I don't know. I lose track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 9 hours ago, DC Tom said: But CBP fills out Canadian TN visas...some of them. Others may not be a TN visa, but an I-129 processed by USCIS. Mexican TN visas, they have to apply at an Embassy, so they're processed by State... The main point being, it's a totally ***** up state of affairs. Clearly you work at DHS, because you call alien numbers "A numbers." Every - every - immigrant I've talked to calls them "alien numbers," and thinks "A-number" is ridiculous when I tell them I'm not allowed to call it that. Does CBP stand for Canadian Blackballing Processors? God I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: The kids were older and unaccompanied in 2014 whereas the kids today arrived with their parents and are separated? I don't know. I lose track. So in 2014 the kids were pre-separated? Sort of like laundry. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 15 hours ago, Golden Goat said: We went through the process six years ago with my wife. Had to wait 22 months on a K1 visa because of the backlog of illegals. Many LEGAL immigrants (like my wife) can't stand those who are too lazy or impatient to go through the process, and will never vote for a candidate who supports open borders. Six months ago, when I was in California, I was shocked at how many Hispanics I spoke with are pro Trump. The general consensus was this: "We left for a reason. We don't want that scum anywhere near us." There will always be major resentment by many legal immigrants. This is the Democrats' biggest miscalculation on the issue. I worked with a Brit in a kitchen in LA in the early 80’s. He was going through the process. He was so pissed that he was surrounded by people who came here illegally while he was waiting and waiting. Had a sponsor and spent a ton of money on lawyers. Not sure what ever became of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So in 2014 the kids were pre-separated? Sort of like laundry. ? Gotta keep the coloreds from the whites. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 I'm sure the "pro-life" scammers are upset, not. Quote Migrant children separated from their parents through the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy experienced more severe mental trauma than children who were not separated, according to a government watchdog report. Separated children “exhibited more fear, feelings of abandonment, and post-traumatic stress” than children who were not separated, according to a report released Wednesday by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) inspector general. According to the report, some children did not understand why they were being separated and sometimes thought their parents had abandoned them. Mental health staff said some children expressed so much grief and confusion over the separation that they cried inconsolably. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/459899-government-watchdog-details-severe-trauma-suffered-by-separated-children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 HAHA Gator, as usual you have your head so far up your ass that you can't even see what you posted. Whose fault is it that children get separated from their parents? If the parents present themselves at a point of entry (along with their children) do they get separated? No. So, it's the governments fault that children who break in to this country along with their parents are treated according to law? What responsibility does Congress have for deliberately underfunding facilities and beds for holding families together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 7/21/2019 at 7:30 PM, SoCal Deek said: So did mine. I have zero sympathy for these people. Get back in line and wait your turn. ...DAMN RIGHT....who changed the process?......why?............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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