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How Bills' Wide Receivers are Fighting to Make a Name for Themselves

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2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

When I first saw his Senior year catch total, I thought it was for his college career! I’m probably not alone in double checking that. The guy CAN catch the ball. He just needs to start doing it again and get his head together. 

 

...think I have MORE confidence in McDaboll as the OC taskmaster versus lethargic Dennison to get this kid right.....just an unsubstantiated hunch.........

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Cover 1's day 4 podcast had an interesting discussion on the WR situation.  I think I am largely with Nate Geary whose view is broadly:

 

They likely keep 6, but they possibly keep 7 (IF and only if there are sufficient guys there for special teams capability).

 

Roster locks:

Kelvin Benjamin

Jeremy Kerley 

 

Likely roster locks:

Andre Holmes (top redzone touchdown receiver in 2017, core special teamer on coverage units, professional vet who is good in the locker room - Nate had a story about how he was the leader of the WR room last year who the young guys were trying to learn from)

Ray-Ray McCloud (return ability and possible gadget play possibilities in the way they used Taiwan Jones last year - reverses, jet sweeps etc)

 

Leaders of the competition:

Zay Jones (benefit of the doubt based on draft status etc)

Malachi Dupre (taken all the 1st team reps two days in a row as the 3rd receiver. Beane scouted him heavily in Carolina, not showing up big yet in terms of catches but getting props for his run blocking)

Brandon Reilly (got 1st team reps through days 1 and 2 of camp, made a big impression last year in pre-season - is bigger and faster than he gets credit for)

 

Falling behind:

Rod Streater (yet to make the impression on this camp that he did on 2017's before injury)

Robert Foster (has noticeably struggled since the pads went on apparently, Nate noticed him being chewed out by Daboll after running wrong route with the 2nd unit)

Cam Phillips (also saw a few 1st team 7 on 7 snaps in the first couple of days, seems to have slipped down the pecking order as this first weekend went on)

 

Long shots:

Quan Bray (3 receptions in 3 years with the Colts but not totally discounted because he offers some return ability - would likely need to beat out Ray-Ray)

Kaelin Clay (Carolina guy, also has some return ability and some speed but looks a bit lost in the shuffle)

Austin Proehl (at the moment feels like keeping him on the 53 would have some nepotism behind it - needs to ball out in the pre-season games to stand a chance but a possible practice squad guy)

 

 

 

 

 

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Wanna make a name for yourself?  GTF open, CTF ball, make FFD's, pile up some !@#$ing yardage, score some FTD's.  Simple.  Produce on the field.

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On 6/21/2018 at 4:17 PM, eball said:

I really don't care who they keep, as long as the decision is one of cutting a promising player rather than keeping the best of a mediocre lot.

Yes, and Holmes v Reilly is a perfect example. Also, No one seems to be factoring in a QB that sees and uses the entire field. Having smart, shifty guys who can find openings Is as valuable as speed sometimes...

so im with John from “my hometown” on this one—we may be pleasantly surprised this season. 

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39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Cover 1's day 4 podcast had an interesting discussion on the WR situation.  I think I am largely with Nate Geary whose view is broadly:

 

They likely keep 6, but they possibly keep 7 (IF and only if there are sufficient guys there for special teams capability).

 

Roster locks:

Kelvin Benjamin

Jeremy Kerley 

 

Likely roster locks:

Andre Holmes (top redzone touchdown receiver in 2017, core special teamer on coverage units, professional vet who is good in the locker room - Nate had a story about how he was the leader of the WR room last year who the young guys were trying to learn from)

Ray-Ray McCloud (return ability and possible gadget play possibilities in the way they used Taiwan Jones last year - reverses, jet sweeps etc)

 

Leaders of the competition:

Zay Jones (benefit of the doubt based on draft status etc)

Malachi Dupre (taken all the 1st team reps two days in a row as the 3rd receiver. Beane scouted him heavily in Carolina, not showing up big yet in terms of catches but getting props for his run blocking)

Brandon Reilly (got 1st team reps through days 1 and 2 of camp, made a big impression last year in pre-season - is bigger and faster than he gets credit for)

 

Falling behind:

Rod Streater (yet to make the impression on this camp that he did on 2017's before injury)

Robert Foster (has noticeably struggled since the pads went on apparently, Nate noticed him being chewed out by Daboll after running wrong route with the 2nd unit)

Cam Phillips (also saw a few 1st team 7 on 7 snaps in the first couple of days, seems to have slipped down the pecking order as this first weekend went on)

 

Long shots:

Quan Bray (3 receptions in 3 years with the Colts but not totally discounted because he offers some return ability - would likely need to beat out Ray-Ray)

Kaelin Clay (Carolina guy, also has some return ability and some speed but looks a bit lost in the shuffle)

Austin Proehl (at the moment feels like keeping him on the 53 would have some nepotism behind it - needs to ball out in the pre-season games to stand a chance but a possible practice squad guy)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even when Zay comes back, I really think it's going to be tough to keep Dupre off the field.  

Dupre just seems polished.

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Zay's Cap hit doubles if we cut him.  After the offseason and his generally unproductive rookie year, its unlikely he has any trade value.  He's likely sticking.  

 

I personally think Holmes may be more up in the air.  They seem to value Dupre's speed, and they look at Ray-ray as some sort of hybrid type weapon.  

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7 minutes ago, dneveu said:

Zay's Cap hit doubles if we cut him.  After the offseason and his generally unproductive rookie year, its unlikely he has any trade value.  He's likely sticking.  

 

I personally think Holmes may be more up in the air.  They seem to value Dupre's speed, and they look at Ray-ray as some sort of hybrid type weapon.  

I thought the deadcap hit would only occur if Zay was cut before June 1st of this upcoming season?

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9 minutes ago, dneveu said:

Zay's Cap hit doubles if we cut him.  After the offseason and his generally unproductive rookie year, its unlikely he has any trade value.  He's likely sticking.  

 

I personally think Holmes may be more up in the air.  They seem to value Dupre's speed, and they look at Ray-ray as some sort of hybrid type weapon.  

 

I will be surprised if Andre Holmes doesn't make this team. Redzone production, core special teams, locker room leader. He sounds like McDermott's dream!

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9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Cover 1's day 4 podcast had an interesting discussion on the WR situation.  I think I am largely with Nate Geary whose view is broadly:

They likely keep 6, but they possibly keep 7 (IF and only if there are sufficient guys there for special teams capability).

 

Roster locks:

Kelvin Benjamin

Jeremy Kerley 

 

Likely roster locks:

Andre Holmes

Ray-Ray McCloud

 

Leaders of the competition:

Zay Jones (benefit of the doubt based on draft status etc)

Malachi Dupre

Brandon Reilly

 

Falling behind:

Rod Streater (yet to make the impression on this camp that he did on 2017's before injury)

Robert Foster (has noticeably struggled since the pads went on apparently, Nate noticed him being chewed out by Daboll after running wrong route with the 2nd unit)

Cam Phillips (also saw a few 1st team 7 on 7 snaps in the first couple of days, seems to have slipped down the pecking order as this first weekend went on)

 

Long shots:

Quan Bray (3 receptions in 3 years with the Colts but not totally discounted because he offers some return ability - would likely need to beat out Ray-Ray)

Kaelin Clay (Carolina guy, also has some return ability and some speed but looks a bit lost in the shuffle)

Austin Proehl (at the moment feels like keeping him on the 53 would have some nepotism behind it - needs to ball out in the pre-season games to stand a chance but a possible practice squad guy)

 

Can you say more about Austin Proehl and the "keeping him would have nepotism" comment?

 

I do recall Beane saying that they wanted to draft guys they felt had a strong shot to make the roster, so one would think Proehl has the fact that we used a draft pick on him in his favor.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Bills please whatever you do.....give Reilly a place on this team.....you will be thankful you did later.

 

The next 7-11 to me

Couldn't agree more. I can see him projecting even slightly better than Hogan. If they keep 7 he should be a lock.

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9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Can you say more about Austin Proehl and the "keeping him would have nepotism" comment?

 

I do recall Beane saying that they wanted to draft guys they felt had a strong shot to make the roster, so one would think Proehl has the fact that we used a draft pick on him in his favor.

 

 

 

His dad played for Beane in Carolina and Beane says he has known Austin since he was in school. They had a 7th round comp pick via trade I don't blame throwing it on a kid they knew would come in and give his all. I liked him when scouting Trubisky but at the moment I think he is PS and work with him. 

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I can picture Allen to Foster for the TD.

 

 

Foster has some speed. 

 

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On 6/12/2018 at 8:42 PM, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Kurley is pretty good. I think people are under appreciating him. It’s like the Wild West out there with all these nobody’s fighting for roster spots. I think when the dust settles they are almost all fighting for only 1 spot. IMO the professional veterans we have in camp are basically sure things; KB, Zay, Kurley and Holmes...And all these other guys are fighting for that 5th spot. Probably a guy that can play STs. Nothing about this is me trying to saying we are set. We have the worst group of WRs in the NFL and I don’t think it’s close. I just see it playing out as those 4 spots will be taken by the 4 men I mentioned. All these other guys will probably battle it out for that 5th spot and hopefully we can find another “Steve Johnson” gem.

This team will carry 6 I think- leaves 2 - still going to be a good battle for those 2 spots.

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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

His dad played for Beane in Carolina and Beane says he has known Austin since he was in school. They had a 7th round comp pick via trade I don't blame throwing it on a kid they knew would come in and give his all. I liked him when scouting Rudolph but at the moment I think he is PS and work with him. 

Isn’t this how we ended up with Zay? We hired his college coach.  I wanted JuJu and I’m not giving up on Zay but man, it’s the nfl.  Pick the best player.

 

given the receivers on the roster, why in the world do you draft 2 more slot wrs?  MCCloud wasn’t even the best slot wr on Clemson.  I’d feel a lot better about these receivers if they rolled the dice on St Brown from Notre Dame.  If that guy blows up with Aaron Rodgers, I’m going to lose it haha!

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Benjamin staying healthy and productive this season is a huge key to the Bills' 2018 season.   He'll be looking for a big pay day.

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30 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Benjamin staying healthy and productive this season is a huge key to the Bills' 2018 season.   He'll be looking for a big pay day.

Yup.  I just don’t know if he physically can.  Carolina sucked at wr last year and were willing to trade him in a playoff race.  It’s a shame because he was great in college and his rookie year.  Fans underestimate how important separation is.  Once it’s gone, you’re in trouble (see Dez).

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Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yup.  I just don’t know if he physically can.  Carolina sucked at wr last year and were willing to trade him in a playoff race.  It’s a shame because he was great in college and his rookie year.  Fans underestimate how important separation is.  Once it’s gone, you’re in trouble (see Dez).

 

He's in much better shape than last season and hopefully the knee holds up. I subscribe to the theory that "he's open when he's not open" because of his height and reach thus I don't believe separation is as vital for him as it may be with other WRs of lesser stature. 

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On 6/13/2018 at 12:57 AM, Shaw66 said:

Yes, he may be an outlier.  He may be a failure.   But he was far from an utter failure last year.   He may have underperformed expectations, but he wasn't a disaster.   You keep him to see how he develops. 

 

Yes, your recollection is correct.   You describe him as he was billed.   But that's the same description as for Austin Proehl.   Why did one go in the second and one in the seventh?  They didn't make a five round mistake on Zay.   Austin Proehl wishes he had the physical characteristics Jones has and showed in college.  

 

You just don't cut second round talent after one year unless there's something wrong with him.

Well said and why you have literally a handful of second rounders cut after the 1st year. The potential is too high and even if they fall below expectations you need some patience.

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4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

Foster is playing gunner on first unit special teams. The guy is a burner.

Certainly helps roster chances

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15 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Isn’t this how we ended up with Zay? We hired his college coach.  I wanted JuJu and I’m not giving up on Zay but man, it’s the nfl.  Pick the best player.

 

given the receivers on the roster, why in the world do you draft 2 more slot wrs?  MCCloud wasn’t even the best slot wr on Clemson.  I’d feel a lot better about these receivers if they rolled the dice on St Brown from Notre Dame.  If that guy blows up with Aaron Rodgers, I’m going to lose it haha!

 

Proehl and Ray Ray probably have better chances at blowing up than St Brown

 

He was really disappointing at ND and purely a height /weight/ speed guy 

 

not a good route runner, doenst play special teams and plays smaller than his size 

 

Proehl and Ray Ray are fiesty kids who play bigger than their size 

14 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Well said and why you have literally a handful of second rounders cut after the 1st year. The potential is too high and even if they fall below expectations you need some patience.

 

I don’t believe 1 second rounder from the 2017 draft has been cut in the NFL

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I'm curious why so many people think Holmes is a lock or near-lock to make the team. Yes I know he plays special teams, but it looks like Foster has been a very willing ST participant in camp thus far, Ray Ray (if he makes the team) will likely have return duties, what about the other young or vet WRs or players from other positions who can play STs (corners, LBs). I was very unimpressed with Holmes last year as a wideout, so I'm not sure why others are so high on him definitely making the team. He barely got any playing time even when our WR room became an ER and Zay was under producing. If the other guys are outproducing him in camp and the preseason as a wideout (and have more potential, higher ceiling), I'm sure they can fill Holmes' special teams role. It's not like he's Steve Tasker or Mark Pike. And as for being a red zone target, Holmes is 6'4". Benjamin is 6'5', Logan Thomas is 6'6", and Clay, Streater, and O'Leary are all 6'3". And it's not like Zay, Reilly, Foster, and Dupre are smurfs. They are all 6'2". So, there are plenty of tall targets for red zone work to choose from.

 

Does anyone know how Kerley has looked in camp thus far? Since they brought him in, he has experience, and seems like the kind of guy that could thrive in a New England style offense, it seems like he'll most likely be on the team, but I don't know if even he is a lock at this point. The young guys are hungry.

 

I think Benjamin and Jones (they won't give up on him this early) are the only locks for the team right now and then you are keeping probably only 4 of the rest depending on who is standing out, which receiver position they play (do we need another slot or Y or X to compliment or backup who we've already decided to keep), and ST play (does Ray Ray stick for return duties; or someone like Holmes as a gunner or whatever). But I think, right now that competition is wide open for any of the next 9 WRs to grab a spot.

 

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WR battle heats up as training camp

BUFFALO, N.Y. (WIVB) - Kelvin Benjamin had an outstanding day at practice on Tuesday hauling in several touchdowns against the first team defense. But, behind number 13, the Bills are still searching for the right combination at wide receiver.

 

“What a great opportunity to have as a player, to come in here and compete, show your worth,” offensive coordinator Brian Daboll said at training camp.

 

The Bills have a hodge-podge of young guys fighting for roster spots and playing time. Some were late round draft picks like Ray-Ray McCloud and Austin Proehl while others went undrafted.

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