Tyrod Taylor: I still feel that I’d done more than enough to stay

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9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You can be both in the camp that wanted to move on from Tyrod and that camp that does not think AJ McCarron will be an upgrade. Some people were ABTs - anyone but Tyrod - I wasn't. I just thought sticking with Tyrod was tying yourself to a road to average.  I expect McCarron to be about the same as Tyrod as a passer - safe, conservative, sporadic moving the offense but a competitor and a game manager - and less than Tyrod as a runner (though he isn't totally immobile). The point to moving on from Tyrod was never about whether you could get similar play for a year or two from an AJ McCarron or a Case Keenum (as I advocated a year ago) it was about getting away from the baggage of having your former established starter sitting ahead of the guy who you really hope is the future - which we now know is Josh Allen.   

Agreed. And I have no problem with moving on from Taylor. But I do have a problem with the brutes who still want to complain about a guy who we got for basically nothing, who played better than most people anticipated, and who contributed to the end of the teams playoff drought. Thinking that a QB from Alabama will be an immediate upgrade is more than silly.

Edited June 4, 2018 by MURPHD6

[grb]

On 6/3/2018 at 8:57 AM, Zebrastripes said:

I actually looked these up myself.  The biggest problem with these numbers and comparing them directly with the Bills years is the fact that woods and Watkins were the 3rd and 4th leading receiver on the Rams.  When they were on the Bills they were the first and second.  

 

So now we've gone from :

• Your Old "Point" : Watkins and Woods had much better production with the Rams
• Your New "Point" : Watkins and Woods didn't have better production, but the Rams passed more so .... so .... I'm not sure what what my point is .....

This was what you originally said : " Tyrod had both Woods and Watkins on his team just like Goff did and look at the difference in production from them two." 

You actually looked up the numbers because you actually believed what you'd been told - what you said above. It's not my fault the stories passed around were wrong.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You can be both in the camp that wanted to move on from Tyrod and that camp that does not think AJ McCarron will be an upgrade. Some people were ABTs - anyone but Tyrod - I wasn't. I just thought sticking with Tyrod was tying yourself to a road to average.  I expect McCarron to be about the same as Tyrod as a passer - safe, conservative, sporadic moving the offense but a competitor and a game manager - and less than Tyrod as a runner (though he isn't totally immobile). The point to moving on from Tyrod was never about whether you could get similar play for a year or two from an AJ McCarron or a Case Keenum (as I advocated a year ago) it was about getting away from the baggage of having your former established starter sitting ahead of the guy who you really hope is the future - which we now know is Josh Allen.   

 

This is exactly where I am and exactly what I've been trying to say, but you said it better.

 

 

 

 

[Gugny]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You can be both in the camp that wanted to move on from Tyrod and that camp that does not think AJ McCarron will be an upgrade. Some people were ABTs - anyone but Tyrod - I wasn't. I just thought sticking with Tyrod was tying yourself to a road to average.  I expect McCarron to be about the same as Tyrod as a passer - safe, conservative, sporadic moving the offense but a competitor and a game manager - and less than Tyrod as a runner (though he isn't totally immobile). The point to moving on from Tyrod was never about whether you could get similar play for a year or two from an AJ McCarron or a Case Keenum (as I advocated a year ago) it was about getting away from the baggage of having your former established starter sitting ahead of the guy who you really hope is the future - which we now know is Josh Allen.   

 

I was, for the most part, an ABTer - but not completely.  I wanted him to be gone because, at his best, he simply wasn't very good - especially when the Bills needed points.  But I didn't want to replace him with a retread.  I wanted him to be replaced by a question mark - whether it was going all-in on a draftee, or whether it was bringing someone like McCarron in - whom I still consider a question mark.  Tyrod's departure, the acquisition of McCarron and the drafting of Allen were exactly what I was looking for.

[Stank_Nasty]

47 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:

Your idea of 'a real QB' needing to throw for 375 and 4tds regularly is entitled, unrealistic and silly. Its akin to being the creepy dude who only hits on girls that he thinks are 10's, and that dude never gets laid.

Also notice he claims Taylor is only throwing for 200 yds on a very good day for him when the guy averaged 200 pass yds a game over his 3 seasons here. 

 

Dont bother with that clown dude. He’s warped. I’m totally cool with Taylor being gone but some of these dudes takes are just really really REALLY stupid. 

Edited June 4, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[colin]

Tyrod regressed because we took away his Greggggg Roman O, which made colin Kap look like an all star.  It was a pretty interesting system, with insane formations and a run game that kept the entire front 7 of the D guessing and resulted in huge run plays and provided some deep passing chances.  it also lead to penalties, no rhythm, and plays took SOOOOO LONGGG to get in.  8 million formations and 35 substitutions per drive.  the RB coach now in SD ran it better than roman did, but it was his creation.

 

anyhow, tyrod has huge limitations as a passer, and even tho some fans give him excuses comparing him to brees or whever from 15 years ago, passing production is up all around and tyrod just couldn't deliver because he struggles to read a d and make an accurate throw.  he was IMO maybe the best QB ever at not turning it over tho, and ran well.

 

I look at tyrod as a perfect guy to add onto a team with a sick D, solid run game, and no passing O, because he make some plays out of thin air, but he can't work within the offensive system and implement a dynamic passing attack.  I think houston 2 years ago when they had osweiler and savage at qb would have a shot at the chip with him, or some of the pre flacco baltimore teams, or even the jets in ryan's first days there.  he's just too limited and we have seen what he can do, and more importantly what he cannot do.

 

He was also an awesome pro, great to his teammates, solid attitude, and a quiet type of leader.  IMO he is the ideal back up QB for most any team because he can leg it out and will not make the bad turnover, but he simply cannot be relied upon to score, or even avoid killer 3 and outs in his own end.

 

we are going a totally different direction with the team now, with tyrod we more or less needed the opponents to incorrectly defend against us or make a big mistake so we could get a few big plays and we had trouble sustaining drives due to the lack of efficiency in passing.  now that we are going all out stud talent at QB (and adding pieces like that on D) we are trying to have a team that can score against any D from any spot on the field (with a higher risk of turnovers).  basically the opposite of the gregg roman tyrod bills, which was money in the redzone, but stalled out so often in key situations you wanted to pull your hair out.

 

i give tyrod a partial pass for last season, because the talent level on O fell off and the OC was junk and get his walking papers over it, but tyrod's flaws were just emphasized, and we saw the entire O just vanish for long stretches, including a frankly embarrassing string of games mid season.

[Teddy KGB]

23 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Also notice he claims Taylor is only throwing for 200 yds on a very good day for him when the guy averaged 200 pass yds a game over his 3 seasons here. 

 

 

Did he though ?  I came up with 158 ypg off a quick google search.  

 

Was my math off ? 

[Stank_Nasty]

3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Did he though ?  I came up with 158 ypg off a quick google search.  

 

Was my math off ? 

156 for his career due to spotty appearances in Baltimore. 201 per game in 3 years in buffalo...… which obviously nobody was happy with but lets not pretend 200 yds was a very good day for taylor just to try and prove a point. it was a dumb statement on his part.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylTy00.htm

Edited June 4, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Did he though ?  I came up with 158 ypg off a quick google search.  

 

Was my math off ? 

 

No, but it was dumb.  It included all games he played in, which for his years in Baltimore were largely end-of-game kneeldowns.  You do you, but most folks don't think that's a reasonable metric for QB quality.  The correct figure for games he started in B'lo is 201.3 ypg

 

 

[reddogblitz]

6 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

Btw Last year was painful to watch. The Offense and Tyrod, Tolbert and Mills.

 

I thought last year was AMAZING to watch with all the wins and PLAYOFFS!!

 

Hopefully this year is at least as good.

Edited June 4, 2018 by reddogblitz

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I thought last year was AMAZING to watch with all the wins and PLAYOFFS!!

 

Hopefully this year is at least as good.

right on man. thoroughly enjoyed the roller coaster ride last year.

[Teddy KGB]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The correct figure for games he started in B'lo is 201.3 ypg

 

 

 

[billsfan60]

On ‎6‎/‎2‎/‎2018 at 11:05 AM, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean Allen is bigger and has a stronger arm than Tyrod. So was Jamarcus Russell.

 

Tyrod was actually a pretty good deep passer, probably the best thing he did throwing.  Again, I was ready for a change at qb.  But I wanna honk they picked the wrong guy.  I pray they prove me wrong.

By the time the Bills were on the clock it was down to Rosen and Allen. Too bad we'll never get the real reasons for who they went with.

[Peevo]

4 hours ago, colin said:

Tyrod regressed because we took away his Greggggg Roman O, which made colin Kap look like an all star.  It was a pretty interesting system, with insane formations and a run game that kept the entire front 7 of the D guessing and resulted in huge run plays and provided some deep passing chances.  it also lead to penalties, no rhythm, and plays took SOOOOO LONGGG to get in.  8 million formations and 35 substitutions per drive.  the RB coach now in SD ran it better than roman did, but it was his creation.

 

anyhow, tyrod has huge limitations as a passer, and even tho some fans give him excuses comparing him to brees or whever from 15 years ago, passing production is up all around and tyrod just couldn't deliver because he struggles to read a d and make an accurate throw.  he was IMO maybe the best QB ever at not turning it over tho, and ran well.

 

I look at tyrod as a perfect guy to add onto a team with a sick D, solid run game, and no passing O, because he make some plays out of thin air, but he can't work within the offensive system and implement a dynamic passing attack.  I think houston 2 years ago when they had osweiler and savage at qb would have a shot at the chip with him, or some of the pre flacco baltimore teams, or even the jets in ryan's first days there.  he's just too limited and we have seen what he can do, and more importantly what he cannot do.

 

He was also an awesome pro, great to his teammates, solid attitude, and a quiet type of leader.  IMO he is the ideal back up QB for most any team because he can leg it out and will not make the bad turnover, but he simply cannot be relied upon to score, or even avoid killer 3 and outs in his own end.

 

we are going a totally different direction with the team now, with tyrod we more or less needed the opponents to incorrectly defend against us or make a big mistake so we could get a few big plays and we had trouble sustaining drives due to the lack of efficiency in passing.  now that we are going all out stud talent at QB (and adding pieces like that on D) we are trying to have a team that can score against any D from any spot on the field (with a higher risk of turnovers).  basically the opposite of the gregg roman tyrod bills, which was money in the redzone, but stalled out so often in key situations you wanted to pull your hair out.

 

i give tyrod a partial pass for last season, because the talent level on O fell off and the OC was junk and get his walking papers over it, but tyrod's flaws were just emphasized, and we saw the entire O just vanish for long stretches, including a frankly embarrassing string of games mid season.

 

 

What really frustrated me about the Bills offense, for the better part of the drought, but especially under Taylor was a lack of command and control. 

 

If Bills fans were honest with themselves  (a rarity), did you ever feel confident down 4 points with the ball under 2 minutes the Bills would go ahead?  

 

I recall the '16 Miami game clearly, as the only situation where this was the case, and the Bills still failed to score in OT with 2 possessions to win!

 

He has maybe 2 impressive performances in 3 years starting, both losses. @ Sea, vs Miami in 16.

 

We're all so warped from years of tragic, heartbreaking defeats we all lose sight in the fact Taylor had plenty of opportunities to be the hero and failed almost always.

 

Here's to improving on the 31st passing offense, 181 yards/game.  Laughable in NFL.

[BringBackOrton]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You can be both in the camp that wanted to move on from Tyrod and that camp that does not think AJ McCarron will be an upgrade. Some people were ABTs - anyone but Tyrod - I wasn't. I just thought sticking with Tyrod was tying yourself to a road to average.  I expect McCarron to be about the same as Tyrod as a passer - safe, conservative, sporadic moving the offense but a competitor and a game manager - and less than Tyrod as a runner (though he isn't totally immobile). The point to moving on from Tyrod was never about whether you could get similar play for a year or two from an AJ McCarron or a Case Keenum (as I advocated a year ago) it was about getting away from the baggage of having your former established starter sitting ahead of the guy who you really hope is the future - which we now know is Josh Allen.   

ABT came from the fear that McD would roll with him again rather than taking a shot.  At least for me.

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Did he though ?  I came up with 158 ypg off a quick google search.  

 

Was my math off ? 

Your math is on Ryan

 

Your common sense is off (but this is not a new development)

 

Anyone that gauges productivity off passing yards is already lost

[Stank_Nasty]

10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Your math is on Ryan

 

Your common sense is off (but this is not a new development)

 

Anyone that gauges productivity off passing yards is already lost

well its not really though. not as a bill anyways. that's 201 a game.... which leads me back to my original point of twoandfourteen looking like a tool for stating that a very good day for taylor was 200 yds passing.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

well its not really though. not as a bill anyways. that's 201 a game.... which leads me back to my original point of twoandfourteen looking like a tool for stating that a very good day for taylor was 200 yds passing.

I just think the whole passing yards complaint that so many of the punch bowl pisser's hang onto is ridiculous

 

If you wanna complain about the amount of TD throws he makes.....its a legit arguement (he makes up for it in running touchdowns but that is a different arguement)

 

If you wanna complain that he struggles when he cant escape the pocket there is evidence to support that

 

If you wanna complain that he cant seem to come up big in moments where a franchise QB is needed.....this is a real argument

 

And that is why we have moved on from him....but can we please stop with the passing yards arguement

[Socal-805]

On 6/2/2018 at 5:35 AM, Teddy KGB said:

Delusional 

 

Benched for poor play leaving us with Peterman 

 

130 yard easily winnable playoff game 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

17 for 37

 

45 % completion also....

 

and 1 INT.

 

 

Yikes

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

Always interesting to see how folks respond to having misinformation they post corrected.

You're welcome! 

35 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

ABT came from the fear that McD would roll with him again rather than taking a shot.  At least for me.

 

So you are happy (I am happy too - and in accord with Gunner's take on why the Bills had to move on)

[Socal-805]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I just think the whole passing yards complaint that so many of the punch bowl pisser's hang onto is ridiculous

 

If you wanna complain about the amount of TD throws he makes.....its a legit arguement (he makes up for it in running touchdowns but that is a different arguement)

 

If you wanna complain that he struggles when he cant escape the pocket there is evidence to support that

 

If you wanna complain that he cant seem to come up big in moments where a franchise QB is needed.....this is a real argument

 

And that is why we have moved on from him....but can we please stop with the passing yards arguement

 

 

He just sucks....

 

 

And his yards / game passing is horrible..

 

 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Socal-805 said:

 

 

He just sucks....

 

 

And his yards / game passing is horrible..

 

 

Tyrod Taylor does not "suck"

 

There is a difference between not being a "franchise qb" and "sucking"

 

But to the punch bowl pissers there is no in between.   This team had a top 10 ranked offense in one of the year's he was the QB.   He has a ceiling which is why the bills have moved on but he does not "suck"

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Tyrod Taylor does not "suck"

 

There is a difference between not being a "franchise qb" and "sucking"

 

But to the punch bowl pissers there is no in between.   This team had a top 10 ranked offense in one of the year's he was the QB.   He has a ceiling which is why the bills have moved on but he does not "suck"

Oh my god.

 

If Josh Allen throws for 2700 yards and 14 TD's in 3 years, no one is going to call him good.  

[John from Riverside]

 

3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Oh my god.

 

If Josh Allen throws for 2700 yards and 14 TD's in 3 years, no one is going to call him good.  

Try reading all the posts sir.....The difference is your not going to see Josh Allen RUNNING for all those touchdowns he does to go with his passing touchdowns.

Edited June 4, 2018 by John from Riverside

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

 

Try reading all the posts sir.....The difference is your not going to see Josh Allen RUNNING for all those touchdowns he does to go with his passing touchdowns.

All those?  You mean 4?  So if Josh Allen has 3100 yards and 18 TD's three years from now he'll be good?  

 

No.  

 

18 total TD's was 26th!!!!!! in the league last year.  Todd Gurley had more TD's than Tyrod last year.  That's SUCKING.

 

18 total TD's was 28th in the league in 2016.

 

18 total TD's was 25th in 2015.

 

18 total TD's was 25th in 2014.

 

18 total TD's was 22nd in 2013.

 

18 total TD's was 26th in 2012.

 

18 total TD's was 21st in 2011.

 

18 total TD's was 22nd in 2010.

 

18 total TD's was 21st in 2009.

 

Is being in the bottom third of total TD's bad?  Is being regularly beaten by skill position players in TD production bad?  Is having single WR's on good teams with good QB's beat your ENTIRE QB's production bad?

[Like A Mofo]

So mixed on Tyrod. Yes, limitations in the passing game, but his lack of turnovers helped make up for 'some' of that. The biggest issue with Tyrod IMO was in a close game, down 7 or less, with the ball late, and the Bills needed to go 60-90 yards for a score, Tyrod was really exposed. That limited the Bills to 8-8, 9-7 status IMO.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

All those?  You mean 4?  So if Josh Allen has 3100 yards and 18 TD's three years from now he'll be good?  

 

No.  

 

18 total TD's was 26th!!!!!! in the league last year.  Todd Gurley had more TD's than Tyrod last year.  That's SUCKING.

 

18 total TD's was 28th in the league in 2016.

 

18 total TD's was 25th in 2015.

 

18 total TD's was 25th in 2014.

 

18 total TD's was 22nd in 2013.

 

18 total TD's was 26th in 2012.

 

18 total TD's was 21st in 2011.

 

18 total TD's was 22nd in 2010.

 

18 total TD's was 21st in 2009.

 

Is being in the bottom third of total TD's bad?  Is being regularly beaten by skill position players in TD production bad?  Is having single WR's on good teams with good QB's beat your ENTIRE QB's production bad?

I know that this is getting lost here in this arguement

 

but I actually agree with you that it is not good enough and said so earlier in the thread.

 

My complaint is passing yards is not a good stat to determine a good qb.......passing touchdowns however is.

 

But TT was never your prototype QB....he was never that.   The bills moved on from him in search of what that was and I cant fault them for that.

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I know that this is getting lost here in this arguement

 

but I actually agree with you that it is not good enough and said so earlier in the thread.

 

My complaint is passing yards is not a good stat to determine a good qb.......passing touchdowns however is.

 

But TT was never your prototype QB....he was never that.   The bills moved on from him in search of what that was and I cant fault them for that.

That wasn't even passing TD's.  It was TOTAL TD's.  Even when you factor in TT's running production, he sucked.

 

Imagine thinking a QB who can't score as many points as some RB's and WR's doesn't suck.  Couldn't be me.

Edited June 4, 2018 by BringBackOrton

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Always interesting to see how folks respond to having misinformation they post corrected.

You're welcome! 

 

 

I thanked you in the reactions.   

 

The lysol lady was in regards to the 201 ypg, not the updated info. 

 

 

Not quite as bad as 158 ypg, but still pretty terrible.   

 

 

[BillsBytheBay]

The first wild throw Tyrod makes with Allen as his backup and the whole village burns....  Brothers and sisters tearing each other apart. 

 

In a perfect world we finish Tyrods contract all while waiting for Allen to WIN the job...

 

 

But I think the bills made a smart move preventing drama.

[Shaw66]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You can be both in the camp that wanted to move on from Tyrod and that camp that does not think AJ McCarron will be an upgrade. Some people were ABTs - anyone but Tyrod - I wasn't. I just thought sticking with Tyrod was tying yourself to a road to average.  I expect McCarron to be about the same as Tyrod as a passer - safe, conservative, sporadic moving the offense but a competitor and a game manager - and less than Tyrod as a runner (though he isn't totally immobile). The point to moving on from Tyrod was never about whether you could get similar play for a year or two from an AJ McCarron or a Case Keenum (as I advocated a year ago) it was about getting away from the baggage of having your former established starter sitting ahead of the guy who you really hope is the future - which we now know is Josh Allen.   

Like Hapless, I was about in the same place.  I was a little shocked when Taylor was traded, not because he was the future but because I'm too risk averse to be a gm. I wouldn't have traded Tyrod until I knew I had my 2018 starter.  It couldn't be a rookie, because I wouldn't put myself in the position of having to start my rookie.  Maybe Beane knew he never could do worse than McCarron in the qb musical chairs that were about to begin, and, like Hapless, I'd figure that AJ would be what TT was the last couple of a years - a mediocre starter.  

 

So my shock at TT going lasted only until AJ signed.  Then I thought talent-wise the Bills were in the same place they'd been with TT - looking for a long-term solution.  

 

Will I be completely surprised if Tyrod turns into a successful qb somewhere?  No.  He has NFL level physical talent.  He's a better thrower than people give him credit for.  It's possible that in a different environment, a different offense, he will blossom.  But the odds on that happening got low enough for the Bills to decide to move on.  Whatever the environment, a qb with four years on the bench and then three years starting should show progress, and Taylor didn't.  J 

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

ABT came from the fear that McD would roll with him again rather than taking a shot.  At least for me.

 

we could have done both.

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Anyone that gauges productivity off passing yards is already lost

 

there are a lot of lost souls on TBD evidently.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I’m not sure why he even went there.

 

The problem isn’t what he did, it’s where the bills front office wants to go. 

 

I do belive somewhere out there there’s an OC that could actually maximize him as the starting QB in an ok offense. It’s not Rico though... 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

57 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

I thanked you in the reactions.   

 

The lysol lady was in regards to the 201 ypg, not the updated info. 

 

 

Not quite as bad as 158 ypg, but still pretty terrible.   

 

 

 

It ain’t a strong passing game, no doubt about that.  Part of it was the offensive scheme but I thought it was pretty clear that when asked to do more with the passing game, Taylor couldn’t.

[reddogblitz]

55 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

The first wild throw Tyrod makes with Allen as his backup and the whole village burns....  Brothers and sisters tearing each other apart. 

 

What do you think will happen if AJ or Nasty Nate throw an ill advised pick with Josh grooming on the sidelines?

 

Besides, a.Coach that listens to the fans is soon sitting with them. 

 

i like Coach McDermott but don't want to sit with him.  I hope he's not making his decisions based on what he thinks I want.

Edited June 4, 2018 by reddogblitz

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I thought last year was AMAZING to watch with all the wins and PLAYOFFS!!

 

Hopefully this year is at least as good.

I am pointing at the Offense. Tyrod was very much exposed with the Offense Dennison gave him. It was ugly at times.

and Tolbert screens ? WTH was that all about. Mills was awful at PP and Ducasse was no shining star either. Receivers ? None returning and everyone injured at some point.

Shady was the lone high point

 

Defense was such a turn around from Ryans and a joy to behold !

 It was a fun season. But the Offense sucked generally.

 

 Very much looking forward to the second year in the Process.

 I like Daboll

 And i must admit i honestly do like Leslie Frazier. I was NOT excited when he came on .

 

Go Bills !

[twoandfourteen]

8 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:

Your idea of 'a real QB' needing to throw for 375 and 4tds regularly is entitled, unrealistic and silly. Its akin to being the creepy dude who only hits on girls that he thinks are 10's, and that dude never gets laid.

 

I didn't say "regularly". I said "be capable of". 

 

Huge difference. 

 

A defensive coordinator has to account for the possibility that Ben Roethlisberger could put up 375/4 (just passing) on him on a Sunday. That would be considered a really good game for Ben, right? 

 

A defensive coordinator accounting for the possibility of a really good game from Taylor only has to worry about the guy throwing for 225/2 and rushing for 40/1. 

 

Now do you see the difference? Or do we have to take a step back and review how 375 is more than 265? 

 

Also, that analogy is awfully specific and personal. Feels like there's some projection going on here. Want to talk about it? 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

15 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

I am pointing at the Offense. Tyrod was very much exposed with the Offense Dennison gave him. It was ugly at times.

and Tolbert screens ? WTH was that all about. Mills was awful at PP and Ducasse was no shining star either. Receivers ? None returning and everyone injured at some point.

Shady was the lone high point

 

Defense was such a turn around from Ryans and a joy to behold !

 It was a fun season. But the Offense sucked generally.

 

 Very much looking forward to the second year in the Process.

 I like Daboll

 And i must admit i honestly do like Leslie Frazier. I was NOT excited when he came on .

 

Go Bills !

 

...still think TT's inherent weakness was ability to process entire field in 5 seconds of less nor did I see the passing game ever becoming a viable threat, particularly downfield.....at the same time Dennison was woefully inconsistent....one week he'd craft a game plan that took advantage of TT's mobility (probably a factor as to why he remains in the NFL mix today) and we'd get the "W"......the following week his "crafted plan" made you think TT was in a wheelchair....this clown was as frustrating as Hackett and even Fairchild....

[Big Gun]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

 

 

My complaint is passing yards is not a good stat to determine a good qb.......passing touchdowns however is.

So is passing yards not one of the criteria the HOF uses to determine a QB worthiness of being enshrined?

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, PeterGriffin said:

So is passing yards not one of the criteria the HOF uses to determine a QB worthiness of being enshrined?

Im sure it is...they throw it in there with you know actually WINNING.

 

There are also lots of passing yards thrown by QBs.....in losses.

 

My point here is there are other things that are real things you can bash Tyrod over and be legit.....but passing yards on a team that runs the ball a ton?  

 

 

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It ain’t a strong passing game, no doubt about that.  Part of it was the offensive scheme but I thought it was pretty clear that when asked to do more with the passing game, Taylor couldn’t.

He simply wasnt a franchise QB....he could not put the team on his shoulders....and he didnt improve even though he was given years to do it.

 

I still say he was not a "sucky" qb......just not what we needed if we wanted to be a real playoff team.