NFL.com Projects 2019 Compensatory Picks

[26CornerBlitz]

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000933360/article/projecting-compensatory-picks-for-2019-nfl-draft

[machine gun kelly]

Makes me feel like we are the only team in the NFL that did not get comp picks.

 

Thank god we’ll with another raise in the cap next year will have probably close to $100,000,000 in cap space next year, so after resign whoever is good and coming up, we’ll still have a ton of money to spend in free agency even with the draft money and some reserves for the season.

[buffaloaggie]

We keep signing more quality FAs than we lose. Understandably, no compensation.

[Buddo]

Until such time that you have built a team that ought to regularly contend, compensatory picks should have hardly any bearing on moves you make, to get the team to that point.

 

Once you have got to that point with your roster, then it's sensible to keep a weather eye on the compensatories situation, especially as they are now able to be traded, but if you don't have that roster stacked, or a poor team, chasing compesatory picks, isn't going to get you there.

[Turk71]

Pats in line to get 2 3rd rounders, a 6th and a 7th. Bills didn't lose any high round picks in fa this year so the best they could have done was a 6th rounder anyway. Should definitely have had an xtra 3rd round pick in this years draft though. It is not about chasing comp picks, it is being aware what you are throwing away when bringing in marginal talent that could be had after free agency imo.

[MJS]

The key is having quality guys leaving and already having replacements on your roster. The Bills have way too many holes for that to be possible.

[Pbomb]

Pats going for their qb of the future next year ? Will have 2 seconds and 3 thirds i think

[Bill Murray]

I think people give the pats too much credit here.  The comp pick system is not just about number of players lost vs number of players gained, but also the size of their contracts.  

 

The pats get a massive “winners” dividend in this area because other teams tend to give pats FAs huge deals to get them away from the pats.  For those teams, they justify it as the player they are getting has playoff / Super Bowl experience, and has played w BB so may bring some of that gold dust with them.  For the pats they are fine letting the player go because they know the only irreplaceable player on their team is Brady.  

 

So I look at the pats perennial comp pick bounty as simply a dividend they have earned by winning (cheating) every year and having built a program from which people chase players with experience in that system.  If/when McD and the Bills establish themselves as a dominant program, people will start overpaying to steal our FAs as well and the comp pick system will favor us.

 

Edited May 19, 2018 by Bill Murray

[Seanbillsfan2206]

I’m starting to wonder if the front office even cares about compensatory picks at all. Should be the highest of priorities...

[SouthNYfan]

12 hours ago, buffaloaggie said:

We keep signing more quality FAs than we lose. Understandably, no compensation.

 

It's hard to lose quality free agents when you didn't have many to begin with ?

[TigerJ]

13 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Makes me feel like we are the only team in the NFL that did not get comp picks.

 

Thank god we’ll with another raise in the cap next year will have probably close to $100,000,000 in cap space next year, so after resign whoever is good and coming up, we’ll still have a ton of money to spend in free agency even with the draft money and some reserves for the season.

Fifteen teams are projected to get picks leaving 17 that won't.

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

I’m starting to wonder if the front office even cares about compensatory picks at all. Should be the highest of priorities...

Huh?  

[Seanbillsfan2206]

11 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Huh?  

Sarcasm 

[Augie]

Just now, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Sarcasm 

 

That’s a good thing...I was afraid you had bumped your head.  ?

[artmalibu]

Compensatory picks are a reward for losers....  To get these picks a team would need to

 

let players go who can help the team win

and

not sign players who can help the team win

 

 

[Turk71]

14 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

Compensatory picks are a reward for losers....  To get these picks a team would need to

 

let players go who can help the team win

and

not sign players who can help the team win

 

 

The Pats get 4, the Eagles get 3, rewards for losers right? Might want to think before you speak?

[Heavy Kevi]

16 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Makes me feel like we are the only team in the NFL that did not get comp picks.

 

Thank god we’ll with another raise in the cap next year will have probably close to $100,000,000 in cap space next year, so after resign whoever is good and coming up, we’ll still have a ton of money to spend in free agency even with the draft money and some reserves for the season.

 

The only thing that is tough about that much cap space is you have to land a top tier/elite guy or else you end up paying Derrick Dockery or Charles Clay waaayyyyy too much.

 

I have faith in The Beane, but he will be in another pressure cooker next year.

[artmalibu]

10 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

The Pats get 4, the Eagles get 3, rewards for losers right? Might want to think before you speak?

 

 

Share your thinking...     

 

What bills players should the Bills cut or let walk and what free agents did they signed that should not have to get theses picks?

 

Also tell us how the Pats and Eagles will be better with the players they lost with the picks they gained.

 

 

[jwhit34]

4 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

I’m starting to wonder if the front office even cares about compensatory picks at all. Should be the highest of priorities...

The highest priority is to build a great roster. Comp picks could be part of it but isn't a be all, end all.

 

I think that this management team has shown so far that they have a pretty good handle on the different avenues available to build a roster. It appears that they have drafted pretty well (to be seen with this year's class), they have used trades effectively, are working to remedy the salary cap situation and have picked up some nice free agents in the last 2 years, both UFAs and street FA. They have talked about comp picks. 

 

One method doesn't take precedence over another. And get ready for no comp picks next year, they have a lot of cap room and their potential UFAs (excluding probable retirees Kyle Williams and Lorenzo Alexander) are Ryan Groy, Jordan Mills and John Miller. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

26 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

 

 

Share your thinking...     

 

What bills players should the Bills cut or let walk and what free agents did they signed that should not have to get theses picks?

 

Also tell us how the Pats and Eagles will be better with the players they lost with the picks they gained.

 

 

Could have cut Tolbert, Duckass, and DiMarco or (Davis?). Not sure about the last one, but would have had a 3rd apparently. 

[artmalibu]

1 hour ago, Turk71 said:

The Pats get 4, the Eagles get 3, rewards for losers right? Might want to think before you speak?

 

22 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

 

 

Share your thinking...     

 

What bills players should the Bills cut or let walk and what free agents did they signed that should not have to get theses picks?

 

Also tell us how the Pats and Eagles will be better with the players they lost with the picks they gained.

 

 

 

Specifically with the Pats tell us how the Pats will be better with the 3rd and 6th round picks they gained when they lost:

 

 Nate Solder-  franchise left tackle

 Danny Amendola - sure handed WR with 660 yards of receptions and was a better than average punt returner.  Some evaluators had him at the 8th most valuable at punt returns

Malcom Butler-  starting CB who made the play to win a SB, helped shut down the falcons to win another and was not on the field that may have cost them another SB win.

Dion Lewis- produced over 1,100 yards 

 

And dont forget to tell us what the Bills should have done to get these picks

 

 

[artmalibu]

23 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Could have cut Tolbert, Duckass, and DiMarco or (Davis?). Not sure about the last one, but would have had a 3rd apparently. 

 

No argument on Tolbert the coaches saw something in him that was invisible to us. 

 

Dont know who duckass is

 

DiMarco 2 time pro-bowl played who was rated as the best FB in the NFL who would carry a much bigger dead cap hit than cap savings. 

 

Davis who was much needed in rotation at the end of the season when Shaq went down. He also finished the season with 1 less sack than the team leader.   

 

Maybe tanking for a 3rd round pick in more important than ending the playoff drought???

 

Edited May 19, 2018 by artmalibu

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

25 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

 

No argument on Tolbert the coaches saw something in him that was invisible to us. 

 

Dont know who duckass is

 

DiMarco 2 time pro-bowl played who was rated as the best FB in the NFL who would carry a much bigger dead cap hit than cap savings. 

 

Davis who was much needed in rotation at the end of the season when Shaq went down. He also finished the season with 1 less sack than the team leader.   

 

Maybe tanking for a 3rd round pick in more important than ending the playoff drought???

 

We could have still squeaked into the playoffs and kicked a field goal without those players by signing replacements who are just as good.

[jr1]

at least the Pats are bad at drafting

[ExWNYer]

36 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

 

No argument on Tolbert the coaches saw something in him that was invisible to us. 

 

Dont know who duckass is

 

DiMarco 2 time pro-bowl played who was rated as the best FB in the NFL who would carry a much bigger dead cap hit than cap savings. 

 

Davis who was much needed in rotation at the end of the season when Shaq went down. He also finished the season with 1 less sack than the team leader.   

 

Maybe tanking for a 3rd round pick in more important than ending the playoff drought???

 

 

Vlad Ducasse. Lame attempt at humor by the poster.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, artmalibu said:

 

 

Share your thinking...     

 

What bills players should the Bills cut or let walk and what free agents did they signed that should not have to get theses picks?

 

Also tell us how the Pats and Eagles will be better with the players they lost with the picks they gained.

 

 

 

....yup.....pretty weak argument to let comp picks influence your judgment on personnel moves....

[artmalibu]

15 minutes ago, Chemical said:

We could have still squeaked into the playoffs and kicked a field goal without those players by signing replacements who are just as good.

 

Would love to know how you could come to this conclusion.

 

with out them would the Bills have been in position to kick field goals???

 

You know for fact that there were other players who were as good that would have agreed to term with the bills???

 

 

9 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Vlad Ducasse. Lame attempt at humor by the poster.

 

Yea this guy was the best option they thought they had and started a lot of games or was this part of the tank?

 

If I remember correct the Bills would have needed to cut 3 of the free agents to get 1 of these picks.  

 

I think that Tolbert would have been a cut the would not have hurt the team and could have been replaced by a better option.  But again one cut would yield on pick. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Y'all really can't imagine available free agents better than Davis Ducasse and Tolbert? or even comparable? Listen, I don't think the 3rd rounder matters that much, but stop blindly supporting everything the Bills do and realize it's just bad asset management. I read all pre-draft about how important all our precious draft picks are to build a team for the future, but now it's only a 3rd and not worth giving up these terrible players. It's the lack of logic that bothers me.

 

Also, cutting Tolbert alone would have helped the team immensely.

 

[artmalibu]

Here are the facts for the comp picks form https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/6/5/15734438/buffalo-bills-2018-third-round-compensatory-pick-brandon-beane-free-agency

 

According to OverTheCap.com, Buffalo signed seven free agents in the qualifying window and lost five. In order to get that Gilmore pick, they need a new loss so they would have to rid themselves of three of those signings by the compensatory cutoff, assumed to be in Week 10 because the NFL has never shared the compensatory formula.

The pros of cutting three players are clear; they would get a third round pick. Cut another player to get an additional fourth rounder. You also don’t have to pay those guys and can save money on the cap.

The cons are also clear; there is upfront money you’ve already paid these recently-signed players that will go to waste and be accelerated onto the salary cap. There is also the risk of looking foolish by going back on a signing you just made.

Let’s take a look at the players Buffalo would have to release to get there and power rank them in terms of likelihood. We have included the dead cap hit that would be associated with the release.

 

THREE of these players would have needed to be cut for 1 pick also consider the dead money

1. OL Vlad Ducasse ($250,000 dead money)

2. DE Ryan Davis ($100,000 dead money)

3. WR Andre Holmes ($2.45 million dead money)

4. K Steven Hauschka ($4 million dead money)

5. FB Patrick DiMarco ($3.3 million dead money)

6. S Jordan Poyer ($5 million dead money)

7. DB Micah Hyde ($10.3 million dead money)

 

[artmalibu]

3 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Y'all really can't imagine available free agents better than Davis Ducasse and Tolbert? or even comparable? Listen, I don't think the 3rd rounder matters that much, but stop blindly supporting everything the Bills do and realize it's just bad asset management. I read all pre-draft about how important all our precious draft picks are to build a team for the future, but now it's only a 3rd and not worth giving up these terrible players. It's the lack of logic that bothers me.

 

Also, cutting Tolbert alone would have helped the team immensely.

 

 

Read above post they say Tolbert was not an option to get a pick.  What guys were willing to come to terms with the Bills that were better????  Are you going to say there was someone 

 

3 players cut for 1 pick 

 

Blindly supporting LOL  look at the facts I posted.  Its a real lack of logic that does not see that the Bills were smart not trying to get the stupid 3rd round pick.  

 

If the bills were out of the playoff runnings by the week 10 cut deadline maybe this would be discussion worthy.  That not being the case and that the Bills did make the playoffs any talk of that they should have made 3 of these cuts is absolute ridicules.  Unless you want to argue for the tank? .  

 

Also I want to hear how the Pats are better for their losses

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Holmes Davis and Ducasse are replacement level players

Oh wait, never mind I didn't see that it was for a STUPID 3rd round pick.

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, Augie said:

 

That’s a good thing...I was afraid you had bumped your head.  ?

 

Testing for CTE should be necessary for anyone coming from BBMB.

[artmalibu]

Fact about duckass by the ratings of all nfl guards  not a pro bowl guy but ranking 33 is really better than average considering how may guys were ranked.   So, maybe they would have been better off the deer guy playing insead

33. Vladimir Ducasse, Buffalo Bills

Pass Protection: 15/25
Run Block: 16/25
Power: 16/20
Agility: 14/20
Position Value: 7/10
Overall Grade: 68/100

People mocked the Bills when they signed Vladimir Ducasse in March, but they shouldn't have. Although he had some rough reps early on in his career, Ducasse was a solid fill-in for the Ravens down the stretch in 2016. He had another serviceable performance again this year, and while the dominant flashes aren't as prevalent as you would expect with someone his size, he has cleaned up a lot of the footwork issues that plagued his tape early on in his career.

1. But around here there are a lot of guys who know better.  

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

12 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

Fact about duckass by the ratings of all nfl guards  not a pro bowl guy but ranking 33 is really better than average considering how may guys were ranked.   So, maybe they would have been better off the deer guy playing insead

33. Vladimir Ducasse, Buffalo Bills

Pass Protection: 15/25
Run Block: 16/25
Power: 16/20
Agility: 14/20
Position Value: 7/10
Overall Grade: 68/100

People mocked the Bills when they signed Vladimir Ducasse in March, but they shouldn't have. Although he had some rough reps early on in his career, Ducasse was a solid fill-in for the Ravens down the stretch in 2016. He had another serviceable performance again this year, and while the dominant flashes aren't as prevalent as you would expect with someone his size, he has cleaned up a lot of the footwork issues that plagued his tape early on in his career.

1. But around here there are a lot of guys who know better.  

Damn, didn't realize he played that well. Would you trade him for a 3rd?

[artmalibu]

1 minute ago, Chemical said:

Damn, didn't realize he played that well. Would you trade him for a 3rd?

Hey it ok  you are not the first poster around here who doesnt know the facts before posting?

 

Not sure,  the bird in the hand...  Are you sure a average will be yielded from a 3rd. 

 

Also you need to pick 2 more cuts to get that pick.  Its not 1 for 1.   

 

 

[artmalibu]

Since we are heavy thinkers around here the next question of consideration

 

If 3 cuts were mad for the 1 3rd round pick besides the dead money.  The 3 replacement players would have cost about 2 million in cap space.  

 

So, is it worth reducing the chances to end the playoff drought to gain a 3rd round pick

 

AND 

Have 2 million less in cap roll over for 2019.

 

The 2 mill in cap space doesent hurt when trying to sign a free agent who is a proven NFL player.  

[Mountain Man]

2 hours ago, Chemical said:

Could have cut Tolbert, Duckass, and DiMarco or (Davis?). Not sure about the last one, but would have had a 3rd apparently. 

And no full back or starting Guard....

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

5 hours ago, Mountain Man said:

And no full back or starting Guard....

Why couldn’t we sign someone else? We traded away quite a few “starting” players last year. Most much better than any of these guys. 

[frostbitmic]

Comp picks are for wimps

[artmalibu]

3 hours ago, Chemical said:

Why couldn’t we sign someone else? We traded away quite a few “starting” players last year. Most much better than any of these guys. 

 

what player did they trade the was a 2 time pro bowler?