Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 5 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: I tried finding the original article by Michael Silver, but it doesn’t seem to exist anymore. Anyway, I haven’t heard similar stories from other QBs, so hopefully Daboll’s mistreatment of Colt McCoy was a singular incident. Josh Allen mentioned his coordinator was very energetic and always in his ear, but he welcomed that style of coaching. Perhaps this is a non-story in 2018, or maybe it’s something to keep an eye on... “There were times I had to pull my helmet off to call a play in the huddle,” McCoy recalled in an interview earlier this month. “Guys could hear him yelling, and they’d say, ‘Just take it off.’ People said to me, ‘Man, I ain’t never seen anything like that. Just hang in there.’” Brian Daboll was an a-hole in Cleveland Daboll’s rough treatment of Colt McCoy And then there was this, from an interview with a KC reporter... Q: In the last week, we've talked to a lot of people in Cleveland and Miami in the media that worked with you, and really high reviews from a lot of the local people. However, when you Google Brian Daboll, one of the first things that comes up is a Mike Silver article about harsh treatment of Colt McCoy. Can you maybe talk about your relationship with Colt and if the article was fair and if so, why there was that dynamic? DABOLL: "The relationship with most of the players that I've coached, I have a very, very good relationship. Colt and I have a good relationship. It's not a bad relationship. I think there are certain times when you're a coach and sometimes emotion can get to you that maybe you step back and say, 'Boy, I would rather have handled it that way rather than this way,' but I think the job as a coach is to tell the players what to do, show them how to do it and really not accept any excuses. It's an emotional game, and just like certain things in my life, not just football, some things I wish I would have done differently here and there, but I have a lot of respect for Colt as well as the other guys that I've coached. I'm a high energy, up-tempo guy. I expect perfection. I know that's not possible all the time, but I think we need to all hold ourselves to a high standard of really setting the tone and expecting the highest detail and the highest execution from all of ourselves." Q&A with Brian Daboll So it would be an interesting, tough, and topical question by the Buffalo News and other reporters to question McDermott in his next press conference about whether he approves of this approach and intends to endorse Daboll to use it with the Bills current QB room, and whether Daboll coached that way in Alabama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I watched every Alabama game and never saw him yell at anyone on the sideline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 5 hours ago, ALF said: Wow , Daboll really wants to win. I would think he learned to dial it back a bit from Colt McCoy. f that dialing back. thats why they brought in a Pastor minister Rabbi priest cleric or two. do your job. wait. that sounds familiar.. 4 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: That was such a great game. I was very impressed with Tua, and also with the way Daboll just changed his offense on the fly like that (when Tua came in the game). It was almost like a completely different offense from the 1st half. this was a signature move. The one that likely cemented McBeanes thinking moving forward..It is a big deal in context 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 If it were about Josh Rosen they would report he is uncoachable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 2 hours ago, #34fan said: Hm. -Where there's smoke... hopefully there is blackened catfish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Wilk Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I heard Belecheat was going to hire Daboll to replace MDanials, but we snatched him up .Thats when Bill had to talk McDanials out of the Indy job to come back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 5 hours ago, blacklabel said: Eh... that might be a big deal in another industry but not in the NFL. Obviously as a coach you're going to start at the bottom and work your way up. He moves out of the college ranks within a couple years and has some longevity with New England. After that, he bounces around not because his head coach kept firing him, but because his head coach (and entire staff) were getting fired. I think McDermott likes the guy for his high energy but I'm sure he's informed Daboll that he has a certain level of expectation when it comes to respect between coaches and players. McDermott is not the kind of coach to run around and scream like a lunatic and hurl insults, so I doubt he'd be the type of coach to tolerate from one of his assistants. I'm hoping you're right. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Ifartalot said: Brian Daboll's coaching resume': William & Mary (1997) Restrictive earnings coach Michigan State (1998–1999) Graduate assistant New England Patriots (2000–2001) Defensive coaching assistant New England Patriots (2002–2006) Wide receivers coach New York Jets (2007–2008) Quarterbacks coach Cleveland Browns (2009–2010) Offensive coordinator Miami Dolphins (2011) Offensive coordinator Kansas City Chiefs (2012) Offensive coordinator New England Patriots (2013) Offensive assistant New England Patriots (2014–2016) Tight ends coach Alabama (2017) Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach Buffalo Bills (2018–present) Offensive coordinator Twelve jobs in 20 years.....hmmm ? What is a restrictive earnings coach? Never heard of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I'm not really surprised. He wasn't molded by, but he worked under Saban. Has worked in both pro and college ranks, college guys usually seem to be a little more off the wall with **** and what they think is ok. Saban reportedly made a guy cry in Miami. Not saying that the guy isn't a B word for crying, but that's what these college coaches do. They go off and lord over people. DIfference is in the NFL the tables are turned, and these guys, especially a guy like Allen are of more importance to a team than a coach. Marrone had his issues also. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out, but I think it'll be ok. The other positive is Allen doesn't know anything other than playing at levels of football yet where guys do anything other than scream at you and overreact. I could be wrong, but in my limited levels of playing and being around the game it seems like you just get screamed at until you get to the NFL. Even then you get bitched at, but I think it's a little more mild. Especially for stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: What is a restrictive earnings coach? Never heard of that. It's a coaching job right out of college. Kind of like an internship. Daboll was only 25 when he went to New England. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Good. I like a coach that has high expectations for his players. It's one thing to have high expectations. It's another thing to keep yelling at your QB about the last play, when he's trying to call the next play. From Pop Warner and HS on, coaches tell their players to let go of a bad play and look ahead .....focus on what you need to do next, not what you just did. How can a Grown-ass Man coaching Grown-ass Men in the NFL expect his QB to do that necessary thing, if he can't do it himself? I don't personally know anyone who is either motivated or improved by constant yelling and belittling . The occasional ass-chewing, sure, but that's more motivational if it's a contrast, if you know what I mean. I think it gets both tuned out and internalized. So it's very disturbing to me to think this could be our new OC's MO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: I would have been yelling at Colt McCoy, too, he has no business being on an NFL field. And besides, anyone named Colt McCoy should not be a whiny baby about being yelled at. When coaches used to tell him they needed a timeout he used to mope and go sit in the corner for ten minutes. Come on...he put upTeddy Bridgewater numbers in his second year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's one thing to have high expectations. It's another thing to keep yelling at your QB about the last play, when he's trying to call the next play. From Pop Warner and HS on, coaches tell their players to let go of a bad play and look ahead .....focus on what you need to do next, not what you just did. How can a Grown-ass Man coaching Grown-ass Men in the NFL expect his QB to do that necessary thing, if he can't do it himself? I don't personally know anyone who is either motivated or improved by constant yelling and belittling . The occasional ass-chewing, sure, but that's more motivational if it's a contrast, if you know what I mean. I think it gets both tuned out and internalized. So it's very disturbing to me to think this could be our new OC's MO I think 20 years in the NFL including multiple stints with NE speaks for itself, not to mention being hired by Nick Saban and McDermott. I am not too concerned about some comment by McCowan. Perhaps McCowan has an over-sensitivity issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: I think 20 years in the NFL including multiple stints with NE speaks for itself, not to mention being hired by Nick Saban and McDermott. I am not too concerned about some comment by McCowan. Perhaps McCowan has an over-sensitivity issue? Yeah, he hated being referred to as "McCowan". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) "I've got a ton of respect for coach Daboll," McCoy said. "I ended up playing about half the season with him, so we did a lot of good things. … When I started playing, I learned a lot. I think that's natural in your first year, but I'll always consider myself a learner. I want to learn and I want to know the game, and I think coach Daboll really knows the game." http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-09-22/sports/fl-miami-dolphins-0923-20110922_1_colt-mccoy-dolphins-coach-tony-sparano-dolphins-offensive-coordinator Edited May 17, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Are you saying Dayboll would have made a good USMC DI? Inductees go off to join the armed forces and go through rigorous training for not much more than room and board, yet players making large amounts of money can't put up with some adversity? Does one have to delineate all the ways in which the NFL has different performance requirements and different desired outcomes than Army basic training? Or can you think of say, 5 or 10 for yourself? 20 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: I think 20 years in the NFL including multiple stints with NE speaks for itself, not to mention being hired by Nick Saban and McDermott. I am not too concerned about some comment by McCowan. Perhaps McCowan has an over-sensitivity issue? Who is McCowan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Does one have to delineate all the ways in which the NFL has different performance requirements and different desired outcomes than basic training? Or can you think of say, 5, for yourself? Who is McCowan? 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Does one have to delineate all the ways in which the NFL has different performance requirements and different desired outcomes than basic training? Or can you think of say, 5, for yourself? Who is McCowan? I meant to say McCoy. Matt Moore speaks highly of Daboll. http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2011/12/02/good-relationship-between-miami-dolphins-oc-brian-daboll-and-qb-matt-moore-leading-to-success-on-offense/ Jason Hurts on Daboll: “He’s been nothing but a brother and a father figure to me,” Hurts said. “He’s always been there for me. I appreciate that. He’s been there for this whole offense. He’s been leading us and doing all the things you ask an offensive coordinator, he’s done. He’s all positive.” https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/rankinfile/2017/12/29/hurts-daboll-bond-strong-but-must-improve-win-titles-alabama/989545001/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 More on Daboll from a UA player: “We’re not numbers to him, we’re actual players and we’re people,” Hentges said. “That just shows why we love him so much. He knows all of us genuinely and he wants the best for us. Just things like that make it seem like he really cares about us and that’s why we love him so much.” https://alabama.rivals.com/news/brian-daboll-and-alabama-players-share-plenty-of-nicknames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) I'll be honest, this thread has made me a Daboll fan. I wasn't really before today. Thank you. Edited May 17, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 "I expect perfection. I know that's not possible all the time, but I think we need to all hold ourselves to a high standard of really setting the tone and expecting the highest detail and the highest execution from all of ourselves." Not making any comparisons here, but this reminded me of old quote from Vince Lombardi. Something like "We strive for perfection. Nobody's perfect, but in the pursuit of perfection, you can achieve excellence". Lombardi certainly was a fiery coach. Maybe Daboll was being too hard in the moment, but it was Cold McCoy for Pete's sake, and it was the Browns...not exactly you known for their high structure characteristics. McDermott is all about accountabilty, but is also very structured. I'm sure if Daboll were to get "out of line" a bit, McDermott would be in his ear. And I'm sure Daboll has learned a lot from mistakes over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Come on...he put upTeddy Bridgewater numbers in his second year Colt McCoy is short and has a rag arm. The double whammy. Granted, his arm isn't Kellen Moore weak but it's close. Probably the Nathan Peterman level, which equates to not nearly good enough. Why anyone with a paying job in the NFL thinks Colt McCoy can ever succeed is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: I'm not really surprised. He wasn't molded by, but he worked under Saban. Aside: I haven't had my morning coffee. I initially read this as "he worked under Satan", which I immediately assigned a football association as "oh, he means Belichick" Dear Buffalo Bills: Just Win, Please! 8 hours ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: "I expect perfection. I know that's not possible all the time, but I think we need to all hold ourselves to a high standard of really setting the tone and expecting the highest detail and the highest execution from all of ourselves." Not making any comparisons here, but this reminded me of old quote from Vince Lombardi. Something like "We strive for perfection. Nobody's perfect, but in the pursuit of perfection, you can achieve excellence". Lombardi certainly was a fiery coach. Maybe Daboll was being too hard in the moment, but it was Cold McCoy for Pete's sake, and it was the Browns...not exactly you known for their high structure characteristics. McDermott is all about accountabilty, but is also very structured. I'm sure if Daboll were to get "out of line" a bit, McDermott would be in his ear. And I'm sure Daboll has learned a lot from mistakes over the years. This is the real question. He went into the NFL, and while it may not have been all on him, when he served as OC his offenses were terrible. That was 6 years ago and he didn't have Jimmy Garappolo or Derek Carr to work with. In theory, he could have learned a lot in the ensuing time, both in terms of how to treat people, develop a QB, and manage an offense. Or not. It may not be his intention, but if that sort of thing is part of his DNA as a coach, it is a concern when Allen struggles and does bonehead things, will it come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 What is equally interesting in this Daboll discussion is where I read on Twitter (and it was from a reputable source, but I cannot recall which one) a couple days ago that Daboll and Saban had it out over starting Tua. From what I could infer from reading the bit, Daboll wanted to get Tua as the starting QB in November when the Offense hit a lull and pointed to his ability to actually pass the ball. Saban resisted and it became a point again in the National Title game obviously. But, that to me means Daboll recognized the need to move on and fought Saban to do so, which also means his assessment probably played a role in getting Tua in the game in the title game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 12 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: If it were about Josh Rosen they would report he is uncoachable. If it were about Josh Allen they would report he was inaccurate 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said: What is equally interesting in this Daboll discussion is where I read on Twitter (and it was from a reputable source, but I cannot recall which one) a couple days ago that Daboll and Saban had it out over starting Tua. From what I could infer from reading the bit, Daboll wanted to get Tua as the starting QB in November when the Offense hit a lull and pointed to his ability to actually pass the ball. Saban resisted and it became a point again in the National Title game obviously. But, that to me means Daboll recognized the need to move on and fought Saban to do so, which also means his assessment probably played a role in getting Tua in the game in the title game. He was right too. Tua should have been starting, based on talent anyway. Maybe Saban thought it would affect team chemistry? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: He was right too. Tua should have been starting, based on talent anyway. Maybe Saban thought it would affect team chemistry? I'm not sure what the reasoning was of course, but it's pretty evident that Tua was more prepared than Saban gave him credit for, with the outcome of the NT game now known to us. Regardless, for me what was enlightening was that Daboll recognized this in November and stumped for Tua to be the starter or at least to play much more than he did leading into that game. Which, shows me he can recognize how a player's ability can translate to the field without needing proof of it beforehand. Also, it tells me Daboll is willing to be vocal about his convictions regardless of who the coach is - since Saban's legacy is all but written as one of the greatest college coaches of all time. That takes a set....to do that. Go toe to toe with one of the greatest and essentially tell him, you're missing an opportunity here....bottom line for me: more confidence in Daboll since there's no way to think his lobbying for Tua didn't AT LEAST play a part in Saban's decision to let Tua start the second half of that game. I found it on Twitter, it was a screen shot by Cover1 regarding a write up, but that write up is missing the article link and / or author. However, Cover1 doesn't essentially quote people without proper linking or credit given: Edited May 17, 2018 by BigBuff423 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I'm not sure what the reasoning was of course, but it's pretty evident that Tua was more prepared than Saban gave him credit for, with the outcome of the NT game now known to us. Regardless, for me what was enlightening was that Daboll recognized this in November and stumped for Tua to be the starter or at least to play much more than he did leading into that game. Which, shows me he can recognize how a player's ability can translate to the field without needing proof of it beforehand. Also, it tells me Daboll is willing to be vocal about his convictions regardless of who the coach is - since Saban's legacy is all but written as one of the greatest college coaches of all time. That takes a set....to do that. Go toe to toe with one of the greatest and essentially tell him, you're missing an opportunity here....bottom line for me: more confidence in Daboll since there's no way to think his lobbying for Tua didn't AT LEAST play a part in Saban's decision to let Tua start the second half of that game. I found it on Twitter, it was a screen shot by Cover1 regarding a write up, but that write up is missing the article link and / or author. However, Cover1 doesn't essentially quote people without proper linking or credit given. Mac Jones out played Hurts in the A-Day game. Hurts is a great kid and an excellent runner, but he isn't a pocket passer. He would be better served to change positions since there is no way he will make it to the NFL as a QB. Tua lit it up every time he got into a game. The kid is a phenom. Edited May 17, 2018 by Sky Diver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is the real question. He went into the NFL, and while it may not have been all on him, when he served as OC his offenses were terrible. That was 6 years ago and he didn't have Jimmy Garappolo or Derek Carr to work with. In theory, he could have learned a lot in the ensuing time, both in terms of how to treat people, develop a QB, and manage an offense. Or not. It may not be his intention, but if that sort of thing is part of his DNA as a coach, it is a concern when Allen struggles and does bonehead things, will it come out. It's the NFL. Guys need to have thicker skin, and understand that they won't be coddled. Mike Singletary wasn't a big fan of Buddy Ryan at first. As a young player, he was constantly in Mike's ear and on his back, and it rubbed him the wrong way. It wasn't something that he was accustomed to in college. But Buddy took him aside one day and said "son, you're going to be great". Once he did that, Mike fully understood why Buddy was being so hard on him, and it changed his mentality, and his opinion of Buddy. All coaches have their own way of "treating" players. It's their way of "pushing" a player to do better. But they all have the same goal. They all want to win, and they have the players' best interests in mind. Sometimes, tough love is best. A person might not see it that way initially, but they'll look back one day and realize it was needed at the time, and that they're better now for it, not just in football, but in life. Talent alone isn't the difference between being good and being great. It's how an individual responds to someone pushing them. What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. The way McCoy and the players around him responded to Daboll in that instance didn't make them stronger at all. It showed weakness. Maybe Daboll was being harder than he needed to be in the moment, but it's probably more of a reflection of his competetive nature. If Allen isn't able to see that in the instances where Daboll, or anyone, is hard on him, his fate will be the same of all the players before him that had all the talent in the world that never elevated to higher levels, due to having thin skin and lack the drive to be the best. Given his background, and being told "no" throughout his playing career, I think he'll be fine in that regard, but we'll see. Edited May 17, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 15 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Have you tracked his whereabouts during the JFK assasination? I'm not sure of your point -- although I suspect the source of your attempted joke lies in the fact that you seem to think that any non-laudatory comment about anyone with a connection to Alabama is in reality a slight against the school, the region, and the Christian Lord above himself (a trait that is -- to be frank -- pretty tiresome). Perhaps I'm being unfair. Anyway, I'm simply stating that Daboll has been involved in the soap opera-level Pats drama for literally years and years, which I find ... interesting. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 49 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Mac Jones out played Hurts in the A-Day game. Hurts is a great kid and an excellent runner, but he isn't a pocket passer. He would be better served to change positions since there is no way he will make it to the NFL as a QB. Tua lit it up every time he got into a game. The kid is a phenom. Someone posted a film clip of Daboll working with Tua and Hurts during a 'bama practice and you could see it there. Hurts: ducks Tua: sweet, tight spirals thrown with "zip" on them 22 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: It's the NFL. Guys need to have thicker skin, and understand that they won't be coddled. And if they don't have "thicker skin" and the coach's method of "not coddling" them is ripping them apart, they should, what, just GTFO? I'm not saying Colt would have been "all that" with a different coaching style, I'm just saying: 1) if your teammates can hear the coach screaming at you in the huddle when you're trying to call the next play, it's gone too far. 2) there's something to the viewpoint that if a coach isn't "reaching" a player with one approach, perhaps another approach needs to be tried 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 16 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...LMAO...shades of Holler Kollar................ Yeah, I'm not saying they don't go over the top at times, but it truly is a thing that players can't be worrying about. Coaches will yell, some more than others. ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Daboll reportedly told McCoy "I hate your face. Change your face!" and became enraged when McCoy came back to the sideline after going 3 and out with the same face. I can't blame him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Does one have to delineate all the ways in which the NFL has different performance requirements and different desired outcomes than Army basic training? Or can you think of say, 5 or 10 for yourself? Although I do see your point, I would think that the truth in the Daboll / McCoy matter lies somewhere between each side's perception of the lecture / tirade. Where I erred was not reading the facts of the event more completely. No matter what the actual facts, (Coach Daboll is a meanie, or McCoy has an easily bruised ego, or a bit of both) I do understand your concern regarding how he'll relate to players on the Bills. After all, this is Head Coach McDermott's 'process', not Wrecks' foosball and pool table players lounge. Then again, when some defensive player has McCoy (or Allen) at the bottom of a gang tackle and is questioning his mother's sexual preferences, I hope McCoy (or Allen) isn't too upset over that. Edited May 18, 2018 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Gut feeling - this guy is gonna suck. It's not good to be head-strong when you have yet to experience any success at the NFL level. *This is more insight as to why Rosen wasn't their guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 There have been how many players that have praised Daboll and how may have said something negative about him? Even McCoy thanked him in another interview. I think Daboll is the least of our issues. Maybe McCoy was so thick that the only way to get through to him was yelling. None of us were there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Daboll reportedly told McCoy "I hate your face. Change your face!" and became enraged when McCoy came back to the sideline after going 3 and out with the same face. I can't blame him. My Precious!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 15 hours ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: "I expect perfection. I know that's not possible all the time, but I think we need to all hold ourselves to a high standard of really setting the tone and expecting the highest detail and the highest execution from all of ourselves." Not making any comparisons here, but this reminded me of old quote from Vince Lombardi. Something like "We strive for perfection. Nobody's perfect, but in the pursuit of perfection, you can achieve excellence". Lombardi certainly was a fiery coach. Maybe Daboll was being too hard in the moment, but it was Cold McCoy for Pete's sake, and it was the Browns...not exactly you known for their high structure characteristics. McDermott is all about accountabilty, but is also very structured. I'm sure if Daboll were to get "out of line" a bit, McDermott would be in his ear. And I'm sure Daboll has learned a lot from mistakes over the years. Thats the thing i am focused upon with the hire. He has learned a ton. Some of his teachers were at the top of the grade. and he has surely seen what does Not work as well.. I became a fan just before he was a Bills OC. and then right after as plenty of information was being shared once he was hired. we shall is fair, I am betting the over .lol 5 hours ago, Sky Diver said: He was right too. Tua should have been starting, based on talent anyway. Maybe Saban thought it would affect team chemistry? My understanding. limited as it is , was that Saban did not want to switch to a passing game. and why Tua was not really an option. How Daboll convinced him is likely a good story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Sky Diver said: There have been how many players that have praised Daboll and how may have said something negative about him? Even McCoy thanked him in another interview. I think Daboll is the least of our issues. Maybe McCoy was so thick that the only way to get through to him was yelling. None of us were there. ...perhaps safe to say McD is pretty demanding?......he knows what he wants and what he expects......contrarians are gone.......maybe that's why he wanted McDaboll, a demanding firebrand in a world of divas.......keep in mind that Management 101 stipulates that a manager who attempts to use power and intimidation (ie. yelling, screaming, etc) to cover up for his knowledge/shortcomings of the position are quickly exposed....have fired some in my day for that EXACT reason (ie. paper tigers who knew jack)....subordinates quickly know you do not know your craft as professed......so we'll see where Daboll lands..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Much ado about nothing, imo. It’s a long off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 This thread is about something that happened almost 10 years ago when Daboll was 34. I can not predict what kind of OC he will be for the Bill's but I am willing to wait until at least October to start judging. I know, I'm boring about things like this. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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