Beane & McDermott #1?

[MarlinTheMagician]

I have been so impressed by Beane and McDermott.  What McDermott got out of the roster last year.  Beane's gumption to try to go get a QB and many other things.  Plus, one of the best things is they seem totally in-sync.  It seems when GM and coach are not on the same page it is a formula for disaster even if, independently, the coach and the GM might not be on the same page.  Our guys are.  And I don't think they are just copying Carolina - they were buddies there, but not in charge.  I think they look at Carolina and say "here are all the things Carolina did well, how can we do it better."

 

I think they may be the best Coach/GM pairing in the league.  And even if not the best now, perhaps the best YOUNG coach/GM combo - a band that could play together a long time.  Adding people like Dan Morgan only helps (quality people giving us a real football infrastructure).

 

Be interested in the board's thoughts.  How do they rank overall as a pair?  How about among young GM/Coach teams?  I think these guys are awesome, full disclosure.

[Domdab99]

Let’s let them win something first before anointing them kings

[Ralonzo]

1 minute ago, Domdab99 said:

Let’s let them win something first before anointing them kings

[Bangarang]

Don’t be foolish

[Zerovoltz]

2 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

I have been so impressed by Beane and McDermott.  What McDermott got out of the roster last year.  Beane's gumption to try to go get a QB and many other things.  Plus, one of the best things is they seem totally in-sync.  It seems when GM and coach are not on the same page it is a formula for disaster even if, independently, the coach and the GM might not be on the same page.  Our guys are.  And I don't think they are just copying Carolina - they were buddies there, but not in charge.  I think they look at Carolina and say "here are all the things Carolina did well, how can we do it better."

 

I think they may be the best Coach/GM pairing in the league.  And even if not the best now, perhaps the best YOUNG coach/GM combo - a band that could play together a long time.  Adding people like Dan Morgan only helps (quality people giving us a real football infrastructure).

 

Be interested in the board's thoughts.  How do they rank overall as a pair?  How about among young GM/Coach teams?  I think these guys are awesome, full disclosure.

 

(yeah, I am trolling a little here)  ....the set up for the 2017 Draft meant that the coach and GM weren't working together.  Plenty of speculation about it all...maybe so, and maybe not...but it might have prevented the Bills from taking Watson or Mahomes....wich led of course to Allen this year.  ....and we simply can not say yet if this was a disaster or not...but we can certainly point to this as a point in time when the coach and outgoing GM were not likely on the same page.

 

[swnybillsfan]

7 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

let's hope they are who you thought they were! and we can go ahead and crown their @$$es!

Edited May 5, 2018 by swnybillsfan

[MarlinTheMagician]

5 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

Let’s let them win something first before anointing them kings

 

The thing is, they did.  They won a wild-card spot in year 1.  When they had absolutely nothing.  Almost an unbelievable achievement in my view.  The cynics on this board thought it was a tank, 100%.  The somewhat less cynical called it a modified tank.  You can call it luck, you can trivialize the achievement any way you want, but they won the death of the drought when numerous coaches and GMs had failed to do so for 17 years.  They also totally made over the roster and got us out of salary cap hell without even one year of unwatchable football.  i would not trade them for any pair in the league.  Pass the Kool-Aid please.

[26CornerBlitz]

Did we win the offseason again?

[3rdand12]

9 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

I have been so impressed by Beane and McDermott.  What McDermott got out of the roster last year.  Beane's gumption to try to go get a QB and many other things.  Plus, one of the best things is they seem totally in-sync.  It seems when GM and coach are not on the same page it is a formula for disaster even if, independently, the coach and the GM might not be on the same page.  Our guys are.  And I don't think they are just copying Carolina - they were buddies there, but not in charge.  I think they look at Carolina and say "here are all the things Carolina did well, how can we do it better."

 

I think they may be the best Coach/GM pairing in the league.  And even if not the best now, perhaps the best YOUNG coach/GM combo - a band that could play together a long time.  Adding people like Dan Morgan only helps (quality people giving us a real football infrastructure).

 

Be interested in the board's thoughts.  How do they rank overall as a pair?  How about among young GM/Coach teams?  I think these guys are awesome, full disclosure.

well the first season was a surprise ! and that was with Whaley/ McD scouting.

 This years draft feels focused and smart. Is that proof ? No of course not.

 But the trend is looking good ! I remains cautiously optimistic 

[MarlinTheMagician]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

Did we win the offseason again?

 

I think we did.  Vontae Davis, Star, Horrible Harry, McCarron, Allen, Edmunds, even pieces like Kerley.  Sarcasm is fine, but in my view we did win the offseason.  But unlike that idiot Ryan you will never here these men say it.  So I will say it for them.  But Beane and McDermott never take a bow, they just say "we have a lot we need to do to get better still."  One of the reasons I love them.  So yeah, we won the offseason - just not "again."

[atlbillsfan1975]

Right now what we can say is they share a vision and are working hard to make it reality. They seem to work well together. They have brought in a bunch of needed talent and exiled those that weren’t buying in or performing. 

They now need to coach up what they have and get a little luck on the injury front. 

[3rdand12]

7 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said:

 

(yeah, I am trolling a little here)  ....the set up for the 2017 Draft meant that the coach and GM weren't working together.  Plenty of speculation about it all...maybe so, and maybe not...but it might have prevented the Bills from taking Watson or Mahomes....wich led of course to Allen this year.  ....and we simply can not say yet if this was a disaster or not...but we can certainly point to this as a point in time when the coach and outgoing GM were not likely on the same page.

 

whaleys scouting

 McD is a defense guy and was very likely waiting for Beane to get settled before laying down the stack on the poker table for future franchise QB

Edited May 5, 2018 by 3rdand12

[Magnum Force]

I like what they have done a lot.  Time will tell how Beane's 1st draft unfolds, but I think it looks pretty good.  Let's hope now that it translates on the football field.

[Zerovoltz]

Just now, 3rdand12 said:

whaleys scouting

 McD is a defense guy and likely waiting for Beane to get settled before laying down the stack on the poker table for future franchise QB

 

I absolutlely understand...and if I was McD, I'd probably have done the same thing...don't let the guy on the way out, lock me into a QB I haven't seen or evaluated and have that determine my fate....I'm not saying it was the wrong move by McD, but pointing out that these circumstances may come back and bite the Bills.

[MarlinTheMagician]

1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

whaleys scouting

 McD is a defense guy and likely waiting for Beane to get settled before laying down the stack on the poker table for future franchise QB

 

I don't believe Whaley had much to do with last year's draft other than to pass Bills' scouting evaluations across the table to McDermott.  Who then called Bean and said "here is what we think of this guy Brandon, what do you think?"  It was a great draft I think, but I don't believe Whaley deserves one ounce of credit. 

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

 

I think we did.  Vontae Davis, Star, Horrible Harry, McCarron, Allen, Edmunds, even pieces like Kerley.  Sarcasm is fine, but in my view we did win the offseason.  But unlike that idiot Ryan you will never here these men say it.  So I will say it for them.  But Beane and McDermott never take a bow, they just say "we have a lot we need to do to get better still."  One of the reasons I love them.  So yeah, we won the offseason - just not "again."

 

They have a lot more work to do especially on offense.  As I've been saying all offseason, rebuilding the team into a perennial playoff contender is more than a 2018 endeavor. 

[Aussie Joe]

Looking at the last 2 drafts ( I know Beane wasn’t here last year), they definitely have a type- lunch pail, team first, humble, don’t rock the boat, religious...

 

Not saying that any of these are bad qualities for a team sport.., but I also think a little bit of diversity wouldn’t go astray either...

[MarlinTheMagician]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

They have a lot more work to do especially on offense.  As I've been saying all offseason, rebuilding the team into a perennial playoff contender is more than a 2018 endeavor. 

 

Couldn't agree more.  And I am sure Beane and McDermott would agree too. But that is what is so great, there is a clear plan.  We had a crap roster with lots of bloated salaries and egos.  I have every confidence offense will get done.  One of the things that makes me confident is Dabol.  I thought Dennison was horrible - unimaginative, poor timing for exotic play calls, and on an on.  Bills saw the same thing and BOOM - Dennison is gone.  

But I would like to pose my original question again (which was derailed with "let them win first"):

 

1. Is there any duo in the NFL at coach/GM you would rather have?

 

2. If so, is there any young duo you would rather have (recognizing it is hard to argue with the success of legend/fossil like Belichek); 

[Augie]

22 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Did we win the offseason again?

 

At least it’s not a Rex-style win....with words. They have taken actions, and I like most of them. NOW, we need to see it pan out, but that won’t happen overnight, if at all. Having said that, it’s the most optimistic I’ve been in quite a while. 

[Bills Wilk]

I always wondered if Whaley and Donahoe were still on Pittsburgh's payroll too. Thats where they both came from, just to keep our franchise down..........because that's how the down fall started after we dominated the AFC for so long in the 90's.... 

[MarlinTheMagician]

 

 

Take a look at our D - people are rightfully excited.  Potentially top 10.  Look at the way it was put together last year and before free agency this year (Vontae was pre-free agency cut from Colts).

 

Tre White, Milano, Poyer, Hyde, Vontae Davis.  That is well over 40% of our defense and it cost us almost nothing.  What did it cost?  A trade-down first, a compensatory fifth (from not signing Gillislee) and three modest free agent salaries.  For 5/11ths of a D that has us jacked.  That is amazing work in my view.  

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, MarlinTheMagician said:

Take a look at our D - people are rightfully excited.  Potentially top 10.  Look at the way it was put together last year and before free agency this year (Vontae was pre-free agency cut from Colts).

 

Tre White, Milano, Poyer, Hyde, Vontae Davis.  That is well over 40% of our defense and it cost us almost nothing.  What did it cost?  A trade-down first, a compensatory fifth (from not signing Gillislee) and three modest free agent salaries.  For 5/11ths of a D that has us jacked.  That is amazing work in my view.  

 

No sense in getting giddy for what they have put togther on paper.  Let the on field results dictate how well they have done. 

[Dirtbag]

37 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

I think they may be the best Coach/GM pairing in the league.  And even if not the best now, perhaps the best YOUNG coach/GM combo - a band that could play together a long time.  Adding people like Dan Morgan only helps (quality people giving us a real football infrastructure).

 

 I think these guys are awesome, full disclosure.

no disrespect, but it sounds like you've been waterboarding the kool-aid.

[MarlinTheMagician]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

No sense in getting giddy for what they have put togther on paper.  Let the on field results dictate how well they have done. 

 

Not giddy at all.  The only one of that list that has not played for us is Vontae.  The results on the field are in for last year's performances by Milano, Tre White, Poyer and Hyde, and they were damn good.

Just now, Dirtbag said:

no disrespect, but it sounds like you've been waterboarding the kool-aid.

 

I am - what did Rex say?  Fully pregnant. 

[GunnerBill]

I think Sean McDermott is an excellent football coach. Thought it when he was DC in Carolina and thought it when we hired him, he was "my guy" last hiring season and I was delighted he got the job. 

 

I am still to be convinced on Brandon Beane. That isn't a criticism. He has just completed his first draft as a GM and none of the players he selected have take to the field yet so I think it is impossible to be convinced until those players have the chance to show up on Sundays. 

[HOUSE]

There will come a day when fans will want them fired. If that happens again, I am done

 

The franchise hasn't a clue

[MarlinTheMagician]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

I think Sean McDermott is an excellent football coach. Thought it when he was DC in Carolina and thought it when we hired him, he was "my guy" last hiring season and I was delighted he got the job. 

 

I am still to be convinced on Brandon Beane. That isn't a criticism. He has just completed his first draft as a GM and none of the players he selected have take to the field yet so I think it is impossible to be convinced until those players have the chance to show up on Sundays. 

 

Very fair.  Jury is really out on both a bit, but the early returns are excellent.  McDermott is the key I think - give me an intense, hard-working and principled coach all day long.  I think Bean will support his vision and help its expression.  And that is why I think they may be a top duo in the league.

[stuvian]

yes it's early but we have plenty of cause for rational optimism. Rex Ryan was right. We really were playoff bound. Just not with him. 

 

Breaking the drought and getting a franchise QB are no small matters.

 

I really believe McDermott has instilled a winning culture. It really feels different this time. I no longer harbour superstitious fears of losing in the waning moments of a game just because we are the Bills. This team has learned how to win psychologically.

 

What's more is that it feels like we are following a master plan and that our ownership, management and coaches are working in unified purpose. In my 14 years as a season ticket holder I've never felt as good about the team as I do now. I think the combination of Beane and McDermott could make this a golden era in Bills football.

[MarlinTheMagician]

4 minutes ago, stuvian said:

yes it's early but we have plenty of cause for rational optimism. Rex Ryan was right. We really were playoff bound. Just not with him. 

 

Breaking the drought and getting a franchise QB are no small matters.

 

I really believe McDermott has instilled a winning culture. It really feels different this time. I no longer harbour superstitious fears of losing in the waning moments of a game just because we are the Bills. This team has learned how to win psychologically.

 

What's more is that it feels like we are following a master plan and that our ownership, management and coaches are working in unified purpose. In my 14 years as a season ticket holder I've never felt as good about the team as I do now. I think the combination of Beane and McDermott could make this a golden era in Bills football.

 

I think this is very well said, and exactly how I feel.

[26CornerBlitz]

11 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

 

Not giddy at all.  The only one of that list that has not played for us is Vontae.  The results on the field are in for last year's performances by Milano, Tre White, Poyer and Hyde, and they were damn good.

 

I am - what did Rex say?  Fully pregnant. 

 

They were good on the back end, but this is a brand new year. The front seven left a lot to be desired.  They look a lot better on paper as I said earlier, but we'll see. 

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

They were good on the back end, but this is a brand new year. The front seven left a lot to be desired.  They look a lot better on paper as I said earlier, but we'll see. 

a perspective not lost on most of Us.
 But i don't mind a half shot of koolaid this time of year. Post Draft should leave a good feeling. it does for me this year

[Kirby Jackson]

I think that they’ve done a nice job (specifically McDermott). His team played above their talent and won enough games to get to the playoffs despite a fairly significant point differential. That tells me that they capitalized on opportunities to win games. It was the “anti-Rex.” 

 

I like the job that Beane has done this offseason. He had 2 goals, to reset the cap and find a franchise QB. He got the cap done and took a talented passer. Beane’s career depends on Allen.

 

Lastly, we still should be cautious on Beane. Everyone loves the GM doing the teardown. People liked Tim Murray at the time!! The easiest job in sports is starting over. You have a clean slate. Sam Hinkie reshaped the 76ers while Tim Murray butchered the Sabres. Time will tell if it works or not. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, 3rdand12 said:

a perspective not lost on most of Us.
 But i don't mind a half shot of koolaid this time of year. Post Draft should leave a good feeling. it does for me this year

 

I'm looking forward to seeing how good the D can be.  The offense is a huge question mark at QB, WR, and OL. 

[Fadingpain]

59 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

Let’s let them win something first before anointing them kings

And see how Josh Allen works out.

[KD in CA]

16 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

There will come a day when fans will want them fired. If that happens again, I am done

 

The franchise hasn't a clue

 

Some of the idiots here already want that.  They still miss the glory years of Tyrod, Sammy and Dareus.

[John from Riverside]

Definite reasons for optimism

need to see more

[Fadingpain]

22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I think Sean McDermott is an excellent football coach. Thought it when he was DC in Carolina and thought it when we hired him, he was "my guy" last hiring season and I was delighted he got the job. 

 

I am still to be convinced on Brandon Beane. That isn't a criticism. He has just completed his first draft as a GM and none of the players he selected have take to the field yet so I think it is impossible to be convinced until those players have the chance to show up on Sundays. 

I think he understands the Xs and Os of defensive football well.

 

He made too many in-game tactical mistakes last year to be considered an excellent overall football coach, however.

 

He needs to improve his game management a lot.

 

 

[MarlinTheMagician]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

They were good on the back end, but this is a brand new year. The front seven left a lot to be desired.  They look a lot better on paper as I said earlier, but we'll see. 

 

 

Of course it is a new year and things can always go wrong.  Last year, could only do so much when we had so many salary problems.  So they fixed the back end last year, addressed the front 7 this year (while continuing to take care of the back-end by signing Davis rather than overpaying for EJ Fragile Gaines.  I probably would have signed Gaines and it would have been a mistake.  That's another reason why Beane and McDermott are so great.  didn't get over-excited about last year's back-end and throw unwarranted money at Gaines.   Vontae   Davis a much better value.)  

 

The point is - there appears to be a plan that could work.  Don't sleep on Hughes this year.  With Murphy on the other side I think he could really have a fine year.  He was all we had for pass rush.  

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

Of course it is a new year and things can always go wrong.  Last year, could only do so much when we had so many salary problems.  So they fixed the back end last year, addressed the front 7 this year (while continuing to take care of the back-end by signing Davis rather than overpaying for EJ Fragile Gaines.  I probably would have signed Gaines and it would have been a mistake.  That's another reason why Beane and McDermott are so great.  didn't get over-excited about last year's back-end and throw unwarranted money at Gaines.   Vontae   Davis a much better value.)  

 

The point is - there appears to be a plan that could work.  Don't sleep on Hughes this year.  With Murphy on the other side I think he could really have a fine year.  He was all we had for pass rush.  

 

They should be much better at stopping the run on early downs and hopefully they can apply pressure to make the secondary even better. 

[MarlinTheMagician]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

They should be much better at stopping the run on early downs and hopefully they can apply pressure to make the secondary even better. 

 

I am with you - fingers crossed.