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I expect Cleveland, NY Jets to do the same with their guys. There is going to be growing pains, no matter if you start him now or a year from now. You need in game experience. These guys are top ten picks and you draft someone that high to play.

 

Peyton Manning, John Elway, Steve Young (who sat behind Montana to "develop"), Troy Aikman, Andrew Luck, etc. All had bad first years, if it goes that way for Allen it's no big deal.

 

McCarron and Peterman are not good enough to not throw Allen out there right away.

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You expect wrong, no way is mayfield starting over Tyrod.  Darnold might start for the Jets.  

Wanting allen to start day 1 is asinine and irresponsible.

 

sit him a year, next offseason and draft get offense early and often to build around him

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Start the best player at each position.  Make each player earn their place on the team

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I see the logic in doing so, but there's no rush, IMO.

 

Let's give him some time to study the NFL game, hone his technique...and then throw him out there when we play the best pass defense in the league.

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Just let whoever earns the right to start, earn the right to start. I expect AJ to be tough to beat out.

 

But all things equal.... Start Allen.

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2 minutes ago, Laughing Coffin said:

You expect wrong, no way is mayfield starting over Tyrod.  Darnold might start for the Jets.  

Wanting allen to start day 1 is asinine and irresponsible.

 

sit him a year, next offseason and draft get offense early and often to build around him

 

Unless AJ turns into a pro bowl QB he isn't sitting a whole year. our schedule is brutal this year and I doubt we win more than 5-6 games. 

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The way i see it is, just like the last 3 years, we are gonna have a run heavy o.  A rook can come in and throw down field off of play action in this type of o.  We sort of hid tyrod and his limits in our o, and wr can do that with allen.  I figure he will start and not make a lot of attempts, but long bombs and deep outs will push the d back and open up the rest of the o

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1 minute ago, Laughing Coffin said:

You expect wrong, no way is mayfield starting over Tyrod.  Darnold might start for the Jets.  

Wanting allen to start day 1 is asinine and irresponsible.

 

sit him a year, next offseason and draft get offense early and often to build around him

i sure hope they have the brains to let him sit. i believe he was their target while they were considering a.j.

 

they could not have possibly found a better bridge type....who could turn into pro bowl caliber.

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Unless AJ turns into a pro bowl QB he isn't sitting a whole year. our schedule is brutal this year and I doubt we win more than 5-6 games. 

how is this schedule brutal? road games to start?...minny and gb 2 in a row ...and the pats twice?

 

if we can get a couple of wins between the ravens/chargers....minny/gb...we could end up going out on a 6-7 game win streak.

we are gonna be the story of the afc this year!

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3 minutes ago, Yeezus said:

 

Unless AJ turns into a pro bowl QB he isn't sitting a whole year. our schedule is brutal this year and I doubt we win more than 5-6 games. 

5-6 wins would be good for the franchise, we can get a top WR or OL prospect (also we love/night still need CB and Greedy Williams out of LSU is going to be great) round 1 and draft our future RB round 2/3

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5 minutes ago, Laughing Coffin said:

You expect wrong, no way is mayfield starting over Tyrod.  Darnold might start for the Jets.  

Wanting allen to start day 1 is asinine and irresponsible.

 

sit him a year, next offseason and draft get offense early and often to build around him

 

That's going to be a Real Interesting QB room they got goin' on in Cleveland.

Real Interesting.

I would love to be a fly on that wallpaper.

 

So what is the analysis on Allen?

1) sky high physical gifts

2) spotty accuracy, said to be due to spotty footwork

3) spotty decison making under strong pressue

 

Doesn't sound to me like a guy who should start Day 1, not if you want to have a prayer of getting any footwork changes engrained into his muscle memory

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6 minutes ago, BuffaloBud420 said:

I expect Cleveland, NY Jets to do the same with their guys. There is going to be growing pains, no matter if you start him now or a year from now. You need in game experience. These guys are top ten picks and you draft someone that high to play.

 

Peyton Manning, John Elway, Steve Young (who sat behind Montana to "develop"), Troy Aikman, Andrew Luck, etc. All had bad first years, if it goes that way for Allen it's no big deal.

 

McCarron and Peterman are not good enough to not throw Allen out there right away.

 

 

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he starts.

 

The Panthers started Cam Newton and he set a rookie passing record in the season opener so if they think Allen is ready I wouldn't put it beyond them to start Allen if he has a good buildup to the season.

 

I just don't like the personnel the Bills have to support him even if they plan to be hyper-conservative.............and starting out with 5 of the first 7 on the road would be extra brutal for a young QB behind an OL in flux.

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11 minutes ago, BuffaloBud420 said:

I expect Cleveland, NY Jets to do the same with their guys. There is going to be growing pains, no matter if you start him now or a year from now. You need in game experience. These guys are top ten picks and you draft someone that high to play.

 

Peyton Manning, John Elway, Steve Young (who sat behind Montana to "develop"), Troy Aikman, Andrew Luck, etc. All had bad first years, if it goes that way for Allen it's no big deal.

 

McCarron and Peterman are not good enough to not throw Allen out there right away.

 

...just say no....minis, OTA's, TC & pre-season will tell the tale....if he wins out by a wide margin, McBeane/McD/McDaboll have a decision to make.....if it is marginal, error of the safe side and let 'em sit.....pay is the same..........

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The schedule was built for us to move to a rookie qb At week 10 during the bye gives him 2 weeks to prepare and st that point we know if we have a shot at playoffs 

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10 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Just let whoever earns the right to start, earn the right to start. I expect AJ to be tough to beat out.

 

But all things equal.... Start Allen.

 

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I say start him day one. Make him win it in practice but he should be able to. If he starts day one, McDermott, Daboll, Cully and AJ will all be working their ass off to teach him the game and what to expect. If he sits he just watched and the coaches spend 80-90% of their time on AJ

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I hope its a fair 3 way competition.

 

No one should be handed the job.

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12 minutes ago, Yeezus said:

 

Unless AJ turns into a pro bowl QB he isn't sitting a whole year. our schedule is brutal this year and I doubt we win more than 5-6 games. 

I think we can win 8-10. This Defense is going to be really good. Top 10, maybe Top5.   Special Teams is solid, we have a great kicker and still have some playmakers on offense. If the O-Line can gel and hold up and Daboll calls good plays to keep teams second guessing, we can win. We also have solid coaching which can overcome talent deficiencies, especially when we have such good athletes on the field.

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I saw an interview with Jordan Palmer during a pro day ( Darnold ?). He said he believes all QBs would benefit from backing up their first year. Obviously various external factors mean this doesn't happen often. But I'd be inclined to agree with him. I don't think Allen will sit the whole year, but wouldn't be surprised if McCarron starts through week 8 or so. It's around the time of the bye, and if the teams playoff chances are sunk it doesn't make sense not to play Allen. If the coaches feel he is ready. 

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6 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

The schedule was built for us to move to a rookie qb At week 10 during the bye gives him 2 weeks to prepare and st that point we know if we have a shot at playoffs 

 

The exact week could be debated but you make a good point.

Like I said in the other thread starting Allen the 1st 4 weeks is not a good idea.

Ravens, Chargers and Vikings are among the best defenses in the league.

The combine 2017 defensive passing stats are like this.

48 TD allowed.

54 INT's

121 Sacks

 

I can see already most posters want him to start if he looks good in camp and preseason.

Preseason is not what he will see in Baltimore, Minnesota and LA Chargers (in Buffalo).

 

Don't do it McDermott.

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start him when he is ready.  he only has (2) seasons of experience.  putting a QB in when he isn't ready can derail his whole career.  

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Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

The exact week could be debated but you make a good point.

Like I said in the other thread starting Allen the 1st 4 weeks is not a good idea.

Ravens, Chargers and Vikings are among the best defenses in the league.

The combine 2017 defensive passing stats are like this.

48 TD allowed.

54 INT's

121 Sacks

 

I can see already most posters want him to start if he looks good in camp and preseason.

Preseason is not what he will see in Baltimore, Minnesota and LA Chargers (in Buffalo).

 

Don't do it McDermott.

Most coaches, especially defensive ones are not inclined to start a rookie on opening day. Fans may want it, but probably not McD. Allen would have to be obviously superior in most every area to see the field that early. 

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We can't use the Wentz/Goff/Wilson model with Allen. He's far too raw. No matter how good he looks in TC, they have to let him sit at least half a season and see the game, picking up its nuances and really settling into his mechanics and footwork. I want greatness, but he needs teaching and not throwing him to the wolves is the right call.

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