LEBills Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 People need to see the evidence. Until then we are stuck hearing the complaining. The season won’t be able to get here fast enough.
TheElectricCompany Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 1:14 PM, BillsRdue said: he strikes me as a kid who loves to put the work in. that's important Expand Yeah, but there are only so many hours a day. I think it's a given that any QB you draft high is going to be a "good worker"
Magox Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 1:33 PM, RiotAct said: well, there ya go. Case closed! Expand No where did he say "case closed" or even imply such a thing. As a matter of fact he said: "Some info to worry less" about his accuracy issues. That is in stark contrast to your overreaction to what he posted. He merely posted a data point which of course isn't all-encompassing but a data point none the less to show you that some QB's do indeed improve with their accuracy.
TigerJ Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 And Dan Marino's. Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Pitt 693 1204 57.6 8597 7.1 5.9 79 69 127.7 *1979 Pitt Ind QB 12 130 222 58.6 1680 7.6 6.6 10 9 128.9 *1980 Pitt Ind QB 12 116 224 51.8 1609 7.2 5.7 15 14 121.7 *1981 Pitt Ind QB 12 226 380 59.5 2876 7.6 6.8 37 23 143.1 *1982 Pitt Ind QB 12 221 378 58.5 2432 6.4 4.6 17 23 115.2
TOboy Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 I haven’t watched enough of him to know, so I’m genuinely asking, what kind of offends did they run at Wyoming? All the highlights I see are downfield throws (probably why they are highlights), do we know if there were a lot of underneath routes and screens in their game plan? Sometimes guys with high completion percentages are somewhat the product of scheme. Not saying that is the issue, but curious if it may factor in?
Brandon Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 If he completes one more pass per game, he's a 60%+ passer. Somehow, I doubt that a difference of one pass completion per game is going to make or break him. That's not to say that he doesn't need to work on his accuracy, but that the completion percentage stuff is kind of overblown.
Jerome007 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 Stats matter but they're NOT the end all be all. For accuracy, it's not only the completion %. It's the drops (which were very low so not good here), the OL protection, the quality of WRs, the schemes! If he played in dink and donk offense it better be high, but for bombs away offense it's another thing. IDK, so I can't even have an opinion, but I'm sure some of you guys do, and Beane and McD most likely - hopefully! My point is, maybe he is indeed inaccurate, but stats are not enough to make the case. Anyway, again, there's no rewind button, he is a Bills QB. Let's root for the guy to be great! It doesn't mean to not criticize the choice but damn, let Allen feel welcomed here at least!
FearLess Price Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 1:10 PM, Shotgunner said: I'm cool with the Allen pick... I probably would have taken Rosen, but I also get why they took Allen instead. That said, people need to stop comparing his comp% to players from 2 generations ago. It does not help your case. Just go with, as Mayock said yesterday "projection over production", where you realize he had inferior talent and coaching and believe you're staff can mold him. He does have the highest ceiling of anybody in this class, but also the highest bust potential by a mile. There is no way to spin that horrendous comp % positively. It's bad, but hopefully he improves his fundamentals and becomes what they drafted him to be. Expand Just WHEN has our team showed that we can develop a QB? Never! This is EJ and Cardale Jones all over again. Im also team Rosen/Mayfield/Darnold. I just ran through a bunch more of Allens games on YouTube. Allen is just not good enough. Rosen is the chosen one and we messed up big time. This team sucks. The LBer pick was great. Allen is garbage tho. Were fcked. Better hope AJMc is good.
Mojo44 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 1:31 PM, FeelingOnYouboty said: Football has changed 8 times since then genius. Try to keep up. Expand Really? So tell me, genius, how do they calculate completion percentage these days? I’m not the one having a problem keeping up here, am I
FeelingOnYouboty Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 1:46 PM, Mojo44 said: Really? So tell me, genius, how do they calculate completion percentage these days? I’m not the one having a problem keeping up here, am I Expand This man is so dense light bends around him 1
Malazan Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 some of the particular posters on this forum who are upset by this pick give me great hope that the Bills got it right.
prissythecat Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) On 4/27/2018 at 1:24 PM, mannc said: It’s directly relevant. The Anti-Allen gang contends that (1) Sub-60% completion in college equals NFL failure, and (2) QBs with poor “accuracy” (as measured by completion percentage, apparently) can never improve. The Kelly and Favre college stats seem to directly contradict both points. The burden on is on you to show why those stats don’t mean anything. Just saying “they’re old” doesn’t cut it. Expand Don't the leading QBs in Today's NFL have a completion rate that is typically in the mid to high 60s? Kelly , Favre, and Marino had completion rates in sub 60s to low 60s during their NFL playing years. They didnt exactly have to improve much from their college days. Josh, on the other hand, would need to see a double digit increase in completion rate? Edited April 27, 2018 by prissythecat
Heavy Kevi Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 1:44 PM, FearLess Price said: Just WHEN has our team showed that we can develop a QB? Never! This is EJ and Cardale Jones all over again. Im also team Rosen/Mayfield/Darnold. I just ran through a bunch more of Allens games on YouTube. Allen is just not good enough. Rosen is the chosen one and we messed up big time. This team sucks. The LBer pick was great. Allen is garbage tho. Were fcked. Better hope AJMc is good. Expand Just WHEN has this staff had a chance to try and develop a QB? But, you know... Carry on
Irv Posted April 27, 2018 Author Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 1:49 PM, FeelingOnYouboty said: This man is so dense light bends around him Expand Answer his question
phypon Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 1:24 PM, mannc said: It’s directly relevant. The Anti-Allen gang contends that (1) Sub-60% completion in college equals NFL failure, and (2) QBs with poor “accuracy” (as measured by completion percentage, apparently) can never improve. The Kelly and Favre college stats seem to directly contradict both points. The burden on is on you to show why those stats don’t mean anything. Just saying “they’re old” doesn’t cut it. Expand So you're saying that Allen is a HOF'er??? Please pass the magic 8 ball. On 4/27/2018 at 1:25 PM, Rosen-not-Chosen said: lol, like it correlates at all to today's NFL. Gullible Bills fans grasping at straws to not feel bad about the inevitable implosion. Expand Great point!
Mat68 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 1:44 PM, FearLess Price said: Just WHEN has our team showed that we can develop a QB? Never! This is EJ and Cardale Jones all over again. Im also team Rosen/Mayfield/Darnold. I just ran through a bunch more of Allens games on YouTube. Allen is just not good enough. Rosen is the chosen one and we messed up big time. This team sucks. The LBer pick was great. Allen is garbage tho. Were fcked. Better hope AJMc is good. Expand When has the team committed to a top 10 QB?
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 1:10 PM, Shotgunner said: I'm cool with the Allen pick... I probably would have taken Rosen, but I also get why they took Allen instead. That said, people need to stop comparing his comp% to players from 2 generations ago. It does not help your case. Just go with, as Mayock said yesterday "projection over production", where you realize he had inferior talent and coaching and believe you're staff can mold him. He does have the highest ceiling of anybody in this class, but also the highest bust potential by a mile. There is no way to spin that horrendous comp % positively. It's bad, but hopefully he improves his fundamentals and becomes what they drafted him to be. Expand Shotgunner, I didn't know who you were before this post, and forgive me, I am probably going to forget you five minutes after I go to lunch. However, we for now have right now for now and right now...I love you. Thanks for the great, frank, and calming post, buddy.
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 Brett Favre, Matthew Stafford, the whole completion % is just a metric, because he didn't throw 500 bubble screens to his halfback doesn't make him inaccurate. It's funny that most would have been thrilled with Darnold who had over 20+ turnovers.
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 1:24 PM, mannc said: It’s directly relevant. The Anti-Allen gang contends that (1) Sub-60% completion in college equals NFL failure, and (2) QBs with poor “accuracy” (as measured by completion percentage, apparently) can never improve. The Kelly and Favre college stats seem to directly contradict both points. The burden on is on you to show why those stats don’t mean anything. Just saying “they’re old” doesn’t cut it. Expand What "they're old" means is that the game of football has changed. Rules have changed to favor passing. Guys like Kelly and Favre, etc., played in an era where you could destroy WRs. The average completion % of passers today is much high than the average from 20-30+ years ago.
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