Trade Rumors? (only Rumors)

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

Gordon (or Coleman) could be part of the deal, both us and the Giants could certainly use help at WR.  They've been the team most consistently linked to Beckham, he's obviously tight with Landry and they employ his college position coach.  I don't think Gordon or Coleman has any impact on what Dorsey & co are going to do with the team.

Fair point. 

That said, I do worry that we're moving into the land of magical thinking at this point. The trade sorta works for everyone, but it REALLY works for the Bills.  Hence our love for the scenario. But if the Giants would take Darnold if he's there (as has been reported ad infinitum), and the Browns want to take Allen, why would the Giants ever make that trade?  

Edited April 16, 2018 by dave mcbride

[Chuck Wagon]

9 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

That would be crazy.

 

Beckham, Landry and/or Gordon/Coleman... depending on which one they trade. Then they get a RB like Guice at 12..... wow.

 

 

 

12 going to the Giants.  12 & 22, 2 1sts for Beckham.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

I think they'd love to flip Gordon when he holds value and Coleman hasn't shown near enough to be considered part of the long term answer.  After dealing with Beckham, Gordon may look like a minor inconvenience to the Giants.

That's awesome!

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Fair point. 

That said, I do worry that we're moving into the land of magical thinking at this point. The trade sorta works for everyone, but it REALLY works for the Bills.  Hence our love for the scenario. But if the Giants would take Darnold if he's there (as has been reported ad infinitum), and the Browns want to take Allen, why would the Giants ever make that trade?  

 

 

If the Browns say "we can live with Allen or Darnold" it makes all the sense in the world to sell Darnold at apex value, especially holding pick 4 where one can reasonably assume Allen is still there.  The Browns tell the Giants "we are trading Darnold, so he's out of play for you, why not play ball and pick up some value to still get Barkley and we jump the Jets".  

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Fair point. 

That said, I do worry that we're moving into the land of magical thinking at this point. The trade sort works for everyone, but it REALLY works for the Bills.  Hence our love for the scenario. But if the Giants would take Darnold if he's there (as has been reported ad infinitum), and the Browns want to take Allen, why would the Giants ever make that trade?  

 

Maybe they don’t know?

 

Bills to 1 would have to happens first. Cleveland gets its hall of picks. And knowing the Bills take Darnold, they wouldn’t have a shot. So they take picks off of Cleveland to move back and still get a guy they would have selected at 2.

3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

 

12 going to the Giants.  12 & 22, 2 1sts for Beckham.

 

Ah right, I’m getting my trade rumor picks messed up ?

[PIZ]

32 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

If that kid was right about the 3-way trade all hell will break loose. 

 

If that kid is right, I'll edit that thread about him from "rumor" and "Dunkirk type" to "Legendary kid from Cheektowaga".

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Maybe they don’t know?

 

Bills to 1 would have to happens first. Cleveland gets its hall of picks. And knowing the Bills take Darnold, they wouldn’t have a shot. So they take picks off of Cleveland to move back and still get a guy they would have selected at 2.

 

 

Could make some sense where there's been Allen to the Giants buzz.  Giants trying to bluff the Browns "see we might take your guy", don't trade Darnold.

[Domdab99]

22 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Moving up to 2 and selecting Allen would my my stomach churn , as opposed to any of the other 3 top QBs 

 

Staying at 12 and picking Allen would be a disaster....I wouldn't even know what to call trading up and then picking Allen.

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

If the Browns say "we can live with Allen or Darnold" it makes all the sense in the world to sell Darnold at apex value, especially holding pick 4 where one can reasonably assume Allen is still there.  The Browns tell the Giants "we are trading Darnold, so he's out of play for you, why not play ball and pick up some value to still get Barkley and we jump the Jets".  

Hope you're right. We shall see. 

If the Bills get Darnold, this draft will be a huge success, at least by my reckoning.

[CNY315]

I love this time of the year 

[Epstein's Mother]

26 minutes ago, jo39416 said:

Can you please elaborate on "that kid"?

 

 

Derby Dan.

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

Hope you're right. We shall see. 

If the Bills get Darnold, this draft will be a huge success, at least by my reckoning.

He certainly has the fewest “issues”.... though still raw. But very “process” and while raw, he’s further along than Allen. Imo

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

Could make some sense where there's been Allen to the Giants buzz.  Giants trying to bluff the Browns "see we might take your guy", don't trade Darnold.

 

Yea it’s all cat and mouse game at this point. 

 

Only bit that doesn’t make a ton of sense is Darnold to Bills. The Bills are the only QB needy team that needs their rookie QB to most likely start. That’s Rosen. Suppose Darnold could come in mid season.

 

Allen to the Browns just makes too much sense based on their trade for Tyrod.

[Chuck Wagon]

I think the hold up on our deal with the Giants is both liking Darnold.  If we deal above them that forces their hand.  

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

He certainly has the fewest “issues”.... though still raw. But very “process” and while raw, he’s further along than Allen. Imo

 

Yea he’s only 20 but he still needs to sit for a bit, maybe half the season I would imagine. 

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Yea it’s all cat and mouse game at this point. 

 

Only bit that doesn’t make a ton of sense is Darnold to Bills. The Bills are the only QB needy team that needs their rookie QB to most likely start. That’s Rosen. Suppose Darnold could come in mid season.

 

Allen to the Browns just makes too much sense based on their trade for Tyrod.

 

 

Even if they are split between Darnold and Allen, it makes too much sense to sell the guy someone really wants at 1 vs selling the last guy left at 4.

[CuddyDark]

Just now, Chuck Wagon said:

I think the hold up on our deal with the Giants is both liking Darnold.  If we deal above them that forces their hand.  

But if we trade to the Browns for #1 they can't stop us taking Darnold. The rest of the trade can only happen after we get #1.

[Domdab99]

Even though picking a RB #1 would normally be "LOL Browns" worthy, this year, I think if Cleveland picks Barkley No. 1, they are guaranteed one of Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield. Why Allen is in this mix, I have no idea...but put him there, too, if they happen to like him. This would not be bad at all for the Browns.

 

If Rosen is dropping, the Biills can just move up to 6 and pick him there. But if they're really going to move up to 1 or 2 for Darnold or - god forbid - Allen - this would not be good at all. 

[jo39416]

Good God its still like 10 days away. 

[CuddyDark]

1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Yea he’s only 20 but he still needs to sit for a bit, maybe half the season I would imagine. 

Dude, they all have to sit. Unless it's Mayfield or Jackson because they can play RPO all game.

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

Even if they are split between Darnold and Allen, it makes too much sense to sell the guy someone really wants at 1 vs selling the last guy left at 4.

 

Yea but the Beckham trade makes even more sense because the Browns need proven players. That team is really really young.

[BuffaloHokie13]

18 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I was thinking that the Browns get 22 and the Giants get 53 and a 2019 4th.

 

Bills: 1st

Browns: 2, 12, 22 and 2019 2nd

Giants: 4, 53, 96 and 2019 4th

I speculated in the other thread that the teams would end up like this:

After the madness:

Bills: 1, 56, 96 - Total Value 123.97

Browns: 2, 12, 22, 33, 64, 69, Bills 2019 2nd - Total Value 265.81

Giants: 4, 34, 35, 53, 65, 66 - Total Value 190.87

[PIZ]

40 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

 

 

Do people think this means the Bills get Darnold?  Seems like it means Buffalo gets Allen and the Jets get Mayfield, and the Browns get Darnold and Barkley.

[Chuck Wagon]

9 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

But if we trade to the Browns for #1 they can't stop us taking Darnold. The rest of the trade can only happen after we get #1.

 

Thats my point.  We trade up to 1, the Giants can stop dreaming about Darnold and move back to 4 to get Barkley, who they know will be on the board, the Browns don't risk losing their guy to the Jets.

 

Basically the Browns and Bills tell the Giants "this deal is happening, it's up to you if you want to pick up some of the value out of it".

 

I contend Darnold is the only guy we are willing the sell the farm to get.  If the Browns are split or even don't want him, it's bad business not to sell him.

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, CuddyDark said:

Dude, they all have to sit. Unless it's Mayfield or Jackson because they can play RPO all game.

 

Rosen could start right out of the gate. Easily.

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Yea he’s only 20 but he still needs to sit for a bit, maybe half the season I would imagine. 

 

I've watched him a lot, and I agree he is raw in some parts of his game but (imo) he can be a day one starter. 

 

Will they let him? Probably not... but he's more than capable in my eyes. 

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I speculated in the other thread that the teams would end up like this:

After the madness:

Bills: 1, 56, 96 - Total Value 123.97

Browns: 2, 12, 22, 33, 64, 69, Bills 2019 2nd - Total Value 265.81

Giants: 4, 34, 35, 53, 65, 66 - Total Value 190.87

 

 

I don't think the Browns necessary need or even want all those lower picks and I don't think Beane wants our draft to be over after pick 1.  I think we'll pony up the 2019 1st and keep our later picks.

[OldTimer1960]

Unsubstantiated, but Carl Falk (Rochester radio) mentioned a text suggesting Pats are trying to move up for Rosen.

[Wayne Cubed]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I've watched him a lot, and I agree he is raw in some parts of his game but (imo) he can be a day one starter. 

 

Will they let him? Probably not... but he's more than capable in my eyes. 

 

Oh I think he could start, I just meant I think he should sit. Bills QB situation isn’t really conducive to that, for how much they’ll end up giving up.

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Oh I think he could start, I just meant I think he should sit. Bills QB situation isn’t really conducive to that, for how much they’ll end up giving up.

 

 

12 / 22 / 2019 1st is the cleanest deal and is basically an equal value for 1.

[Bills of Boston]

4 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

Do people think this means the Bills get Darnold?  Seems like it means Buffalo gets Allen and the Jets get Mayfield, and the Browns get Darnold and Barkley.

Well the way they made it seem in the entire thread between Bucky and DJ that it was a CRAZY RUMOR and would make ppls heads spin or something like that. Buffalo trading to 2 doesn’t warrant all those “mind blowing level wording....” that’s how I read it at least

[NickelCity]

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

6 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

Do people think this means the Bills get Darnold?  Seems like it means Buffalo gets Allen and the Jets get Mayfield, and the Browns get Darnold and Barkley.

Darnold

5 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Unsubstantiated, but Carl Falk (Rochester radio) mentioned a text suggesting Pats are trying to move up for Rosen.

We need someone like the Cards to get involved here

[H2o]

Where is Dunkirk Don.....uh....Chadwick Chad.....no.... I mean Derby Dan, yeah, that's who I meant to say, when you need some reliable info?

[aristocrat]

3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

12 / 22 / 2019 1st is the cleanest deal and is basically an equal value for 1.

 

It’s real close. It’s up to however cle values next years pick. 2000 points for 12 and 22. Cle pick worth 3000

[Beast]

So, Bucky Brooks had heard about this and nobody else has?

[OldTimer1960]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

12 / 22 / 2019 1st is the cleanest deal and is basically an equal value for 1.

That is too rich for my blood for any of these QBs.  I would consider trading up to 12 & 22 and maybe 53 for Darnold, Mayfield or Rosen.  I would not trade up at all to get Allen.  For me, any deal that requires 12, 22 and next year’s 1st would be out of bounds.

 

My reasoning is that none of these guys carried their teams, except maybe Mayfield.

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, aristocrat said:

 

It’s real close. It’s up to however cle values next years pick. 2000 points for 12 and 22. Cle pick worth 3000

Next year’s Bills pick is trending to be really high. That will help them with the trade. Maybe another reason the Bills keep saying how far away they are. 

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

12 / 22 / 2019 1st is the cleanest deal and is basically an equal value for 1.

Except the Bills would be adding in their best asset. They can do it without the 2019 1st. 

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Except the Bills would be adding in their best asset. They can do it without the 2019 1st. 

 

 

I don't think there's any way they can get to 1 without giving up the 2019 1st.  They can certainly throw picks at it to equal value, but looking at how Cleveland stands I don't think there's any way they move without that premium asset.  We hold cards in terms to value, but they own the pick, if the Giants Darnold interest is legit, we are paying their price.