Chuck Wagon Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t know about Beane. But Rudolph and a MLB in the 1st seems VERY Sean McDermott to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, T master said: Personal opinions vary but the kid is in the top 5 QB's in the draft so if he's top 5 not sure that is a huge reach ! At 12 Jackson may be a better pick if still there . Now EJ on the other hand was a huge reach !! Seeing as a 6th round QB became the GOAT none of us know how these QB's will fair in the future .. A once in a lifetime aberration isn't a great way to justify a massive reach for a QB that we've seen before with Losman and Manuel. Edited March 23, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, ******* said: Per th okla state guy they have on wgr now Couldn't they have been scouting the receivers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: A once in a lifetime aberration isn't a great way to justify a massive reach for a QB that we've seen before in Losman and Manuel. What are you talking about, I think that we should trade our picks every year so that we own all the 6th round picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, T master said: That wouldn't be a terrible pick at 12 !! You’re right. It would be leaps and bounds beyond terrible.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Smith will probably cost an extra 3rd to jump the Raiders but I would be all for that. Part of me wonders if getting him has been the plan all along, and the supposed connections to the top 3 QBs has been a smokescreen. By moving up the board Beane is putting himself in a good position to have more options. He might be more willing to make a lesser move up if a qb or other positional player he wants is more reasonably attainable. What happens if Mayfield or Allen slips? I know you are not a proponent of Allen but he falls within the GM's preferred profile. My point is that where they are now compared to where they were before the Glenn trade they are in a good position to pivot and pursue a variety of options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) After watching the Oklahoma St./Iowa St. game the other night I kind of believe what Chris Trapasso is saying. Rudolph in that game displayed some very important traits of a successful QB. Mobility within the pocket, keeping his eyes downfield and stepping up into the pocket in the face of pressure and great ball placement, I saw all of that from him in that game and Iowa St. had a good defense this year. I feel like NFL scouts are too wowed by the great athletes at QB sometimes and get lost in the arm strength. Scouts like to see prospects do things most other prospects can't at the QB position. The fall in love with that and forget the body of work and lack of success a particular prospect may have had at the college level. I understand that James Washington allowed them to do things on offense that they wouldn't otherwise be able to do, but I still like the traits I see in Rudolph. I would much rather have Rudolph at 22 than trade up for Allen. I plan on watching his bowl game this weekend versus Virginia Tech who had the # 21 ranked pass defense in college. He had great stats in that game but I want to take a closer look. The scouts are often wrong. Not one scout saw anything in Tom Brady. Marino was 6 of 6 QB's taken in the first in 1983. Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins, Tony Romo, the list goes on and on of successful QB's that NFL scouts didn't think was worth a high pick. For me, I would be very happy if the Bills went Rudolph at 22 and grabbed another QB they like in the 3rd or 4th round, like the Redskins did with RG3 and Cousins. Wouldn't you rather have Rudolph and Lauletta at less of a cost than Josh Allen. I think I would. Now Allen will be the next Roethlisburger and I'll look like an idiot. Edited March 23, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I know that Rudolph played in a weaker division but his stats were off the charts and he didn't finish a lot of games because they benched him a lot due to their huge leads. I would love to land Roquan Smith but I don't see him getting past the Raiders due to Gruden's love affair of the kid, or we could hopefully land Tremaine Edmonds if R Smith is already taken (finger's crossed). Then land Mason Rudolph and then pick up Rashaad Penny later in the draft - another small school kid with a super high ceiling. I would love to use all of our draft capital and not trade it away, the only way I would be OK with us trading it away is if we end up with Rosen. Let's Do This Buffalo!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 To me MR is not a first round talent. Not first tier = not first round. I would probably take White or Lauletta or maybe even Fergusson ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzboy54 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That has been rumored for quite some time. However, I don’t think he’s #1 on their board. Otherwise they would not have already traded up to 12. I don't know if that's right. the way they are going and the all the teams that want one this year I think 12 is right where you want to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 19 minutes ago, JohnC said: I agree with you that he is not the Bills primary guy. But I do believe that if the price is too high to move up that selecting him with their second first round pick would be a good fallback position. In many ways he fits the Beane prototype for a qb. A pocket passer who has the physical attributes he prefers. Rudolph may not be a dynamic qb with an eye popping brand of play. But in my eyes he can be a legitimate franchise qb. If this isn't the type of qb that appeal to Buffalo it is the type of qb that appeals to the Steelers. Yolo, it is time to show some grace. Although it is against your nature it would be appropriate for you to congratulate the Michigan fans for their victory in the tournament. You need to go against your reactionary nature and be generous in spirit to the Wolverine victors. Just do it! Agreed, I think Rudolph is a strong possibility for the Bills. No trade up would allow them to get Rudolph, LB, WR, And still have 2 picks in 3rd (including the first one). Alternative looks to be Rosen/Mayfield/Allen and maybe have a 3rd round pick left (maybe also losing a 1st or 2nd next year, too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Check the Tourney thread on OTW - I picked those weasels to go to the Final Four! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 QB Mason Rudolph plus WR James Washington equal Touchdowns. Something missing from our Playoff team last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) I hate the 12th spot if we aren't moving up. I don't think Smith is there anyway. You'd have to move up again. The Blue Chip guys are gone because there are maybe 6 and you end up over drafting guys like Rudolph. The staying at 12 is a "hope someone falls to us" strategy. Edited March 23, 2018 by horned dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 19 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Nice guy with outstanding smarts and great character. Not a great QB prospect. Really who says? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Starting to think only 2 QB's go top 5 and that's because Jets panicked and traded up to 3. With no other trades into top 5 which is totally possible, my guess is 1. Darnold; 2. Chubb; 3. Mayfield; 4. Nelson; 5. Barkley. Building a good OL for Darnold is more important than taking a win-now RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Tatonka68 said: QB Mason Rudolph plus WR James Washington equal Touchdowns. Something missing from our Playoff team last year. Washington in particular is way overrated for round 1. He has been terrible in the pre draft workouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 3-23: Oklahoma State Sideline Reporter Robert Allen with Howard and Jeremy on Mason Rudolph (8:29) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said: I don't know if that's right. the way they are going and the all the teams that want one this year I think 12 is right where you want to be You think Rudolph goes that high? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 22 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It would be a horrid reach and prove that the Beane doesn't understand draft value. Yeah, the consensus is it would be a considerable reach. Still a reach at 22, but not so much. I know some guys have him rated like a fourth rounder. I don't quite get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, horned dogs said: Washington in particular is way overrated for round 1. He has been terrible in the pre draft workouts. Would take Washington with the 2nd 2nd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 24 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Thats whats always funny around this time. A team/coach/GM does something you like or agree with and it's "this is what they are doing....", they Do something you don't agree with and "it's a smokescreen to throw everyone off..." The moved up to 12 because that's what they were able to do to maximize the return for Glenn. They were planning on moving him to clear cap space anyways and they worked out a deal to move up. Could it be that they also feel it would help if they wanted to move up, of course. Does it mean it's why they made the move, not at all. They have never said they were collecting picks to go all out for a QB, or that they were even looking at finding a franchise guy in the 1st and would do whatever it takes to get one. That's all fan and media speculation. They know they need a guy, but for all we know they like AJ enough for him to be the potential franchise guy. It's the same as the Jets move up, everyone assumes it's for a QB, yet they just signed 2 guys and have 2 already. I've seen plugged in people suggest the Jets moved to get ahead of the Browns for Barkley. People here are QB crazed and think that's ludicrous. It you listen to some sources, there's a real chance the draft goes: 2 Giants - Chubb 3 Jets - Barkley 4 Browns - Ward 5 Broncos - Nelson Suddenly the Colts are sitting at 6 and shopping the 2nd best QB on the board. Do I think that's likely, of course not, but there's certainly a chance it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: QB Mason Rudolph plus WR James Washington equal Touchdowns. Something missing from our Playoff team last year. All we need to do is install their kindergarten offense and we will be good! No but seriously, you can not expect those two guys to come in and be successful in an NFL offense right away. I don't like Rudolph at all, but the bottom line is that he is going to need at least a year or two wherever he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, TigerJ said: Yeah, the consensus is it would be a considerable reach. Still a reach at 22, but not so much. I know some guys have him rated like a fourth rounder. I don't quite get that. I think he's in the same class as White, Faulk, and Lauletta. 3rd round or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: You think Rudolph goes that high? I believe the Bills have one of the "top 4" QBs in mind as their first choice, if they can get him at a reasonable (to them) cost. If they cannot, then I believe they like Rudolph in the next tier of QBs, but not at 12 - later in round one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, Chuck Wagon said: I've seen plugged in people suggest the Jets moved to get ahead of the Browns for Barkley. People here are QB crazed and think that's ludicrous. It you listen to some sources, there's a real chance the draft goes: 2 Giants - Chubb 3 Jets - Barkley 4 Browns - Ward 5 Broncos - Nelson Suddenly the Colts are sitting at 6 and shopping the 2nd best QB on the board. Do I think that's likely, of course not, but there's certainly a chance it happens. I could see this happening. Everyone always pushes up the quarterback prospects. It happens every year in mocks. Last year this time Watson was going #1 or 2 and Trubisky was there too. Watson went 12. Geno Smith was supposed to go to teh Chiefs with the #1 pick and he went in the second round. There is a ton of talent in this draft outside of the quarterbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: Would take Washington with the 2nd 2nd round pick. I loved his deep ability in college, but I'm wondering how much of his game translates to the pros. Remember, he's not that fast or big, and he's shown dropsies this offseason. DJ Moore or Anthony Miller are better fits IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: All we need to do is install their kindergarten offense and we will be good! No but seriously, you can not expect those two guys to come in and be successful in an NFL offense right away. I don't like Rudolph at all, but the bottom line is that he is going to need at least a year or two wherever he goes. There "kindergarten" offense was better than the Bills offense last year. LOL Players cannot control the offense they run, nor does it imply there skill set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I think he's in the same class as White, Faulk, and Lauletta. 3rd round or later. Personally I still think Jackson at worst case is sitting there at 12. I'm becoming increasingly convinced a move up to the ~6-7 range won't cost THAT much and gets us one of Allen or Mayfield. I think that's the most likely scenario. I really want Rosen, but I wouldn't be heartbroken over giving up 1 2nd to make sure we get Allen or Mayfield and I could talk myself into Jackson at 12. Mason Rudolph simply isn't a round 1 talent and would be JP Losman all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I could see this happening. Everyone always pushes up the quarterback prospects. It happens every year in mocks. Last year this time Watson was going #1 or 2 and Trubisky was there too. Watson went 12. Geno Smith was supposed to go to teh Chiefs with the #1 pick and he went in the second round. There is a ton of talent in this draft outside of the quarterbacks. The number 12 is a huge problem for us. Teams like the Colts, Giants and Browns have not wanted to move that far down. To me it is betwixt and between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: Personally I still think Jackson at worst case is sitting there at 12. I'm becoming increasingly convinced a move up to the ~6-7 range won't cost THAT much and gets us one of Allen or Mayfield. I think that's the most likely scenario. I really want Rosen, but I wouldn't be heartbroken over giving up 1 2nd to make sure we get Allen or Mayfield and I could talk myself into Jackson at 12. Mason Rudolph simply isn't a round 1 talent and would be JP Losman all over again. Good post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: There "kindergarten" offense was better than the Bills offense last year. LOL Players cannot control the offense they run, nor does it imply there skill set. My point is that what he was doing last year is not something you can project to the NFL. That offense produces huge numbers and would not work in the NFL. Ask Brandon Weeden and Zac Robinson. Plugging two guys who came from the system in an NFL offense solves nothing. Thinking Rudolph and Washington will somehow save the day is simply hyperbole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Personally I still think Jackson at worst case is sitting there at 12. I'm becoming increasingly convinced a move up to the ~6-7 range won't cost THAT much and gets us one of Allen or Mayfield. I think that's the most likely scenario. I really want Rosen, but I wouldn't be heartbroken over giving up 1 2nd to make sure we get Allen or Mayfield and I could talk myself into Jackson at 12. Mason Rudolph simply isn't a round 1 talent and would be JP Losman all over again. We are behind Miami at 12 and they may very well take a QB. We need to move up and I don't think the Colts want to move down to 12. It has be to 7-8-9 I think. Even for Roquan or Edmunds. The Cardinals are a problem as well. Edited March 23, 2018 by horned dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 52 minutes ago, Charlottebillsfan2 said: I cant wait for the draft to be over! I can't wait for it to start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Personally I still think Jackson at worst case is sitting there at 12. I'm becoming increasingly convinced a move up to the ~6-7 range won't cost THAT much and gets us one of Allen or Mayfield. I think that's the most likely scenario. I really want Rosen, but I wouldn't be heartbroken over giving up 1 2nd to make sure we get Allen or Mayfield and I could talk myself into Jackson at 12. Mason Rudolph simply isn't a round 1 talent and would be JP Losman all over again. Jackson = Taylor. One read and run QB and will be split in half after he is tackled. Rudolph = Kelly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, horned dogs said: We are behind Miami at 12 and they may very well take a QB. We need to move up and I don't think the Colts want to move down to 12. It has be 7-8-9 to I think. Even for Roquan or Edmunds. The Bucs spent big in free agency and plugged a ton of holes. I think the Bucs are the target, unless they can get one of the elite safeties to fall in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just heard them talking about TB target being Minkah Fitzpatrick or Derwin James on NFL radio. I think that number 7 is where it starts for the Bills, then obviously the Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 44 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It’s possible but not sure why they would need to fake interest in any other QB in order to get a LB at 12. To see if they could push someone else up draft boards I guess. Who knows at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I could see this happening. Everyone always pushes up the quarterback prospects. It happens every year in mocks. Last year this time Watson was going #1 or 2 and Trubisky was there too. Watson went 12. Geno Smith was supposed to go to teh Chiefs with the #1 pick and he went in the second round. There is a ton of talent in this draft outside of the quarterbacks. Chubb - I've seen some scouts say he's better than Garrett. I think it's entirely reasonable the Giants see him as a "can't miss" pass rusher, which almost (I said almost) is as valuable as a QB. Barkley - Like I said, I've seen some plugged in people suggest McCagnan is in job preservation mode, wanted to move up to get Barkley and have an immediate impact rookie instead of a QB who isn't going to see the field and is likely drafted for the next guy. Ward - It could just be Columbus - Browns centric, but there's A LOT of buzz starting to build around here about the Browns being in love with Ward, especially after he dropped the 4.32 40. That buzz building would certainly make sense if they are hearing Barkley is likely gone by 4. Nelson - The Broncos line has been a trainwreck for years and he's viewed as much as a can't miss lineman as there's been in a while. I'm starting to get the feeling those are the 4 "Blue Chip" guys this year If the draft fell like that, I think the Colts shop the pick HARD, you are basically looking at Fitzpatrick / James / Smith / Edmonds as BPA, if they are equally fine with any of them, or even Vea or Davenport, they can drop to 11 or 12 and still get one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 If Mason Rudolph gets drafted in the first round I will shove a parking cone up my ass and waddle through the rv lot singing the theme song to Growing Pains 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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