78thealltimegreat Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Hey guys I used to post under SuperMario at the old Bills message board and recently was recommended this is the place to be so nice to be here...... If the Giants truely want to much for the 2 pick what is really wrong with sitting at 12 and taking L Jackson? The guy was a walking offensive machine at Louisville....Since we really are one of the teams that is going to control Day 2 of the draft If we don’t get our guy why can’t we just keep moving picks around to keep getting more picks? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Everyone got “top 5” fever after the Cincy trade. The spell will break. We’re still in a great spot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 That’s all fine, IF they see Lamar Jackson as a true Franchise QB. That is a large IF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Welcome to the board. As intriguing as Lamar is I'm not sold on him. But if Beane picks him I will trust the process and roll with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Lamar Jackson at 12 lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I am thinking of him as more of a at 22 guy while getting a lb that fits beanies d at 12 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I'm not terribly worried. I'm not sure what Beane is really thinking, but there are always options and alternatives. Nobody truly knows which players are going to have hall of fame careers and which are going to bust. That being true, why fret about things you can't control? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Hey guys I used to post under SuperMario at the old Bills message board and recently was recommended this is the place to be so nice to be here...... If the Giants truely want to much for the 2 pick what is really wrong with sitting at 12 and taking L Jackson? The guy was a walking offensive machine at Louisville....Since we really are one of the teams that is going to control Day 2 of the draft If we don’t get our guy why can’t we just keep moving picks around to keep getting more picks? Welcome toTBD. We may may not move for a qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Augie said: That’s all fine, IF they see Lamar Jackson as a true Franchise QB. That is a large IF. Oh gawd, another running QB who should be a receiver. We just went through that... Edited March 17, 2018 by T-Bomb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Lamar Jackson at 12 lol He's going top 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Remember how good Vince Young was at Texas, Tebow at Florida or Manziel at A&M? This ain't college and Lamar isn't near polished enough to bet your future on with the 12th overall pick. You guys really can't envision how he's going to struggle at the NFL level? Really?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax09 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I agree. I think it's ridiculous what the jets gave up to move 3 spots. I'm so glad we did not make that move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I am thinking of him as more of a at 22 guy while getting a lb that fits beanies d at 12 Tremaine Edmunds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Everyone who wants a QB picks before 21. If we don’t trade up, I’m not taking a QB until round 2 at the earliest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, T-Bomb said: Oh gawd, another running QB who should be a receiver. We just went through that... You really think Mayfield isn’t the same? He’s barely 6’0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Bills could draft best players available and maybe day two draft a luke falk or mason rudolph? If they focus on a middle linebscker wide receiver and a right tackle or right guard that might not be so bad??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: You really think Mayfield isn’t the same? He’s barely 6’0 Who said I liked Mayfield? There are only 2 QB's worth trading up for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, T-Bomb said: Who said I liked Mayfield? There are only 2 QB's worth trading up for. Did you watch Darnold against Ohio State? And Rosen has a great arm but he does have concussion problems...they all have warts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Did you watch Darnold against Ohio State? And Rosen has a great arm but he does have concussion problems...they all have warts Oh of course, but so did Geoff & Wentz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 53 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Hey guys I used to post under SuperMario at the old Bills message board and recently was recommended this is the place to be so nice to be here...... If the Giants truely want to much for the 2 pick what is really wrong with sitting at 12 and taking L Jackson? The guy was a walking offensive machine at Louisville....Since we really are one of the teams that is going to control Day 2 of the draft If we don’t get our guy why can’t we just keep moving picks around to keep getting more picks? Welcome to the board friend! I wouldn’t be mad if we took Jackson with the 22 pick. I think 12 is too early for him to go right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 OP, I honestly feel like L.Jackson is the QB we have been eyeing all along as he somewhat fits the Cam Newton mold these Carolina boys are hunting for. If this is the guy they want to take then go for it at 12. I'm hoping for a solid LB'er at 22nd then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: I am thinking of him as more of a at 22 guy while getting a lb that fits beanies d at 12 Lamar won't make it past Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 50 minutes ago, Virgil said: Everyone who wants a QB picks before 21. If we don’t trade up, I’m not taking a QB until round 2 at the earliest Enjoy QB Purgatory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said: Remember how good Vince Young was at Texas, Tebow at Florida or Manziel at A&M? This ain't college and Lamar isn't near polished enough to bet your future on with the 12th overall pick. You guys really can't envision how he's going to struggle at the NFL level? Really?! They weren't half the passers. Jackson threw for 9000 yards in 2.5 seasons!! Jackson was Louisville's entire offense. There are NONE of his offensive players in the NFL to date. You can't say that about Tebow, Young or Manziel. As far as his opposition in college, go look at the games and his stats against FL.ST, Clemson, NC ST, Boston College, etc. Some of you guys can't see the forest through the trees. 40 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: OP, I honestly feel like L.Jackson is the QB we have been eyeing all along as he somewhat fits the Cam Newton mold these Carolina boys are hunting for. If this is the guy they want to take then go for it at 12. I'm hoping for a solid LB'er at 22nd then. Finally, someone with football acumen. You are the real McCoy!! 43 minutes ago, CDogg20 said: Welcome to the board friend! I wouldn’t be mad if we took Jackson with the 22 pick. I think 12 is too early for him to go right now. And you don't think top 10 is too early for Josh Allen?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Hey guys I used to post under SuperMario at the old Bills message board and recently was recommended this is the place to be so nice to be here...... If the Giants truely want to much for the 2 pick what is really wrong with sitting at 12 and taking L Jackson? The guy was a walking offensive machine at Louisville....Since we really are one of the teams that is going to control Day 2 of the draft If we don’t get our guy why can’t we just keep moving picks around to keep getting more picks? Our draft this year will be one for the history books,for the most part,we should not be weak in any area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, JAMIEBUF12 said: Bills could draft best players available and maybe day two draft a luke falk or mason rudolph? If they focus on a middle linebscker wide receiver and a right tackle or right guard that might not be so bad??? No, it would probably be pretty good. Plus McCarron is our QB next season anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, the skycap said: They weren't half the passers. Jackson threw for 9000 yards in 2.5 seasons!! Jackson was Louisville's entire offense. There are NONE of his offensive players in the NFL to date. You can't say that about Tebow, Young or Manziel. As far as his opposition in college, go look at the games and his stats against FL.ST, Clemson, NC ST, Boston College, And he improved significantly with time. He especially keeps his eyes downfield longer than he did in 2016, and is a bit less prone to scrambling. His mechanics are very correctable. A lot of good things to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 26 minutes ago, the skycap said: Some of you guys can't see the forest through the trees. The irony... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 44 minutes ago, the skycap said: Finally, someone with football acumen. You are the real McCoy!! TY Skycap, It just makes sense as Jackson ran the Erhardt-Perkins offense at Louisville, which happens to be the same offense Brian Daboll was basically schooled in. IDK, I have been reading up more and more on all the QB's and honestly don't understand why Jackson is not considered top 3 right now. The former 2016 Heisman has almost 120TDs in 2.5 years in college, 9000 passing yards and was basically the entire Offense. He made his players better. Also, excluding QB spikes, throw always and WR drops he had a 73% completion percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Real McCoy said: Also, excluding QB spikes, throw always and WR drops he had a 73% completion percentage. Other than the assassination mrs Lincoln, how was the show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, T-Bomb said: Oh gawd, another running QB who should be a receiver. We just went through that... right on. stop the madness please. you cant learn the qb position this late in the game. NO MORE RB fake QBs. It doesnt work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Other than the assassination mrs Lincoln, how was the show? So what is the argument in this wisecrack? Wide receiver drops and play type (such as a spike) doesn't contribute to completion percentage? Edited March 18, 2018 by Fetou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 52 minutes ago, klos63 said: No, it would probably be pretty good. Plus McCarron is our QB next season anyway. Id like to see major bakefield under center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Fetou said: So what is the argument in this wisecrack? Wide receiver drops and play type doesn't contribute to completion percentage? Completion percentage includes all those things for all qbs, and almost all of them have higher completion percentages than Lamar Jackson. So his cutesy attempt to mask the ENORMOUS flaws Jackson shows are meaningless. Edited March 18, 2018 by joesixpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Completion percentage includes all those things for all qbs, and almost all of them have higher completion percentages than Lamar Jackson. Which makes raw completion percentage a muddy stat with lurking variables outside of the QB's control and skillset. There exists an adjusted completion percentage that takes out the impact of WR drops and spikes. Jackson has a better % than Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Completion percentage includes all those things for all qbs, and almost all of them have higher completion percentages than Lamar Jackson. and some college QB's like Jackson had Crap for WR's that dropped alot of balls hence why I posted it Just now, Fetou said: Which makes raw completion percentage a muddy stat with lurking variables outside of the QB's control and skillset. There exists an adjusted completion percentage that takes out the impact of WR drops and spikes. Jackson has a better % than Darnold. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Fetou said: Which makes raw completion percentage a muddy stat with lurking variables outside of the QB's control and skillset. There exists an adjusted completion percentage that takes out the impact of WR drops and spikes. Jackson has a better % than Darnold. Lol. Lies, damned lies and made up statistics. how is it that completion percentage is a valid yardstick except for Lamar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Tcali said: right on. stop the madness please. you cant learn the qb position this late in the game. NO MORE RB fake QBs. It doesnt work. You need to go and do some more research and stop listening to what the so called "experts say" or Polian Edited March 18, 2018 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Lol. Lies, damned lies and made up statistics. how is it that completion percentage is a valid yardstick except for Lamar? So you think that the number is better with spikes and drops in it? That's a pretty indefensible position to defend your contrivances. I think that's rather obvious here. The NBA equivalent would be looking at field goal % without context for the type of shot being taken. Shaq would be a better shooter than Steph Curry under that view. Edited March 18, 2018 by Fetou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Fetou said: So you think that the number is better with spikes and drops in it? That's a pretty indefensible position to defend your contrivances. I think that's rather obvious here. If I’m ok using it for ALL QBs, it’s not a contrivance. If someone is saying what he’s saying, it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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