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Hey guys I used to post under SuperMario at the old Bills message board and recently was recommended this is the place to be so nice to be here......

 

If the Giants truely want to much for the 2 pick what is really wrong with sitting at 12 and taking L Jackson? The guy was a walking offensive machine at Louisville....Since we really are one of the teams that is going to control Day 2 of the draft If we don’t get our guy why can’t we just keep moving picks around to keep getting more picks?  

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I'm not terribly worried.  I'm not sure what Beane is really thinking, but there are always options and alternatives.  Nobody truly knows which players are going to have hall of fame careers and which are going to bust.  That being true, why fret about things you can't control?

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10 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Hey guys I used to post under SuperMario at the old Bills message board and recently was recommended this is the place to be so nice to be here......

 

If the Giants truely want to much for the 2 pick what is really wrong with sitting at 12 and taking L Jackson? The guy was a walking offensive machine at Louisville....Since we really are one of the teams that is going to control Day 2 of the draft If we don’t get our guy why can’t we just keep moving picks around to keep getting more picks?  

Welcome toTBD. 

 

We may may not move for a qb

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15 minutes ago, Augie said:

That’s all fine, IF they see Lamar Jackson as a true Franchise QB. That is a large IF. 

 

Oh gawd, another running QB who should be a receiver.  We just went through that...

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Remember how good Vince Young was at Texas, Tebow at Florida or Manziel at A&M?

 

This ain't college and Lamar isn't near polished enough to bet your future on with the 12th overall pick.

 

You guys really can't envision how he's going to struggle at the NFL level?  Really?!

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1 minute ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Did you watch Darnold against Ohio State? And Rosen has a great arm but he does have concussion problems...they all have warts 

 

Oh of course, but so did Geoff & Wentz

 

 

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53 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Hey guys I used to post under SuperMario at the old Bills message board and recently was recommended this is the place to be so nice to be here......

 

If the Giants truely want to much for the 2 pick what is really wrong with sitting at 12 and taking L Jackson? The guy was a walking offensive machine at Louisville....Since we really are one of the teams that is going to control Day 2 of the draft If we don’t get our guy why can’t we just keep moving picks around to keep getting more picks?  

Welcome to the board friend!

 

I wouldn’t be mad if we took Jackson with the 22 pick. I think 12 is too early for him to go right now. 

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OP,

I honestly feel like L.Jackson is the QB we have been eyeing all along as he somewhat fits the Cam Newton mold these Carolina boys are hunting for. If this is the guy they want to take then go for it at 12. I'm hoping for a solid LB'er at 22nd then.

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1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

Remember how good Vince Young was at Texas, Tebow at Florida or Manziel at A&M?

 

This ain't college and Lamar isn't near polished enough to bet your future on with the 12th overall pick.

 

You guys really can't envision how he's going to struggle at the NFL level?  Really?!

They weren't half the passers. Jackson threw for 9000 yards in 2.5 seasons!! Jackson was Louisville's entire offense. There are NONE of his offensive players in the NFL to date. You can't say that about Tebow, Young or Manziel. As far as his opposition in college, go look at the games and his stats against FL.ST, Clemson, NC ST, Boston College, etc. Some of you guys can't see the forest through the trees.

40 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

OP,

I honestly feel like L.Jackson is the QB we have been eyeing all along as he somewhat fits the Cam Newton mold these Carolina boys are hunting for. If this is the guy they want to take then go for it at 12. I'm hoping for a solid LB'er at 22nd then.

Finally, someone with football acumen. You are the real McCoy!!

43 minutes ago, CDogg20 said:

Welcome to the board friend!

 

I wouldn’t be mad if we took Jackson with the 22 pick. I think 12 is too early for him to go right now. 

And you don't think top 10 is too early for Josh Allen??

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1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Hey guys I used to post under SuperMario at the old Bills message board and recently was recommended this is the place to be so nice to be here......

 

If the Giants truely want to much for the 2 pick what is really wrong with sitting at 12 and taking L Jackson? The guy was a walking offensive machine at Louisville....Since we really are one of the teams that is going to control Day 2 of the draft If we don’t get our guy why can’t we just keep moving picks around to keep getting more picks?  

Our draft this year will be one for the history books,for the most part,we should not be weak in any area.

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1 hour ago, JAMIEBUF12 said:

Bills could draft best players available and maybe day two draft a luke falk or mason rudolph? If they focus on a middle linebscker wide receiver and a right tackle or right guard that might not be so bad???

No, it would probably be pretty good. Plus McCarron is our QB next season anyway.

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16 minutes ago, the skycap said:

They weren't half the passers. Jackson threw for 9000 yards in 2.5 seasons!! Jackson was Louisville's entire offense. There are NONE of his offensive players in the NFL to date. You can't say that about Tebow, Young or Manziel. As far as his opposition in college, go look at the games and his stats against FL.ST, Clemson, NC ST, Boston College,

And he improved significantly with time. He especially keeps his eyes downfield longer than he did in 2016, and is a bit less prone to scrambling.

 

His mechanics are very correctable. A lot of good things to work with.

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44 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Finally, someone with football acumen. You are the real McCoy!!

TY Skycap,

 

It just makes sense as Jackson ran the Erhardt-Perkins offense at Louisville, which happens to be the same offense Brian Daboll was basically schooled in. 

 

IDK, I have been reading up more and more on all the QB's and honestly don't understand why Jackson is not considered top 3 right now. The former 2016 Heisman has almost 120TDs in 2.5 years in college, 9000 passing yards and was basically the entire Offense. He made his players better. Also, excluding QB spikes, throw always and WR drops he had a 73% completion percentage. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, T-Bomb said:

 

Oh gawd, another running QB who should be a receiver.  We just went through that...

right on. stop the madness please. you cant learn the qb position this late in the game. NO MORE RB fake QBs. It doesnt work.

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2 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Other than the assassination mrs Lincoln, how was the show?

So what is the argument in this wisecrack? Wide receiver drops and play type (such as a spike) doesn't contribute to completion percentage? 

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1 minute ago, Fetou said:

So what is the argument in this wisecrack? Wide receiver drops and play type doesn't contribute to completion percentage? 

 

Completion percentage includes all those things for all qbs, and almost all of them have higher completion percentages than Lamar Jackson. So his cutesy attempt to mask the ENORMOUS flaws Jackson shows are meaningless.

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1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

Completion percentage includes all those things for all qbs, and almost all of them have higher completion percentages than Lamar Jackson. 

Which makes raw completion percentage a muddy stat with lurking variables outside of the QB's control and skillset. There exists an adjusted completion percentage that takes out the impact of WR drops and spikes. Jackson has a better % than Darnold. 

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Just now, joesixpack said:

 

Completion percentage includes all those things for all qbs, and almost all of them have higher completion percentages than Lamar Jackson. 

and some college QB's like Jackson had Crap for WR's that dropped alot of balls hence why I posted it

Just now, Fetou said:

Which makes raw completion percentage a muddy stat with lurking variables outside of the QB's control and skillset. There exists an adjusted completion percentage that takes out the impact of WR drops and spikes. Jackson has a better % than Darnold. 

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Just now, Fetou said:

Which makes raw completion percentage a muddy stat with lurking variables outside of the QB's control and skillset. There exists an adjusted completion percentage that takes out the impact of WR drops and spikes. Jackson has a better % than Darnold. 

 

Lol. Lies, damned lies and made up statistics.

 

how is it that completion percentage is a valid yardstick except for Lamar?

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8 minutes ago, Tcali said:

right on. stop the madness please. you cant learn the qb position this late in the game. NO MORE RB fake QBs. It doesnt work.

You need to go and do some more research and stop listening to what the so called "experts say" or Polian

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2 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Lol. Lies, damned lies and made up statistics.

 

how is it that completion percentage is a valid yardstick except for Lamar?

So you think that the number is better with spikes and drops in it? That's a pretty indefensible position to defend your contrivances. I think that's rather obvious here. 

 

The NBA equivalent would be looking at field goal % without context for the type of shot being taken. Shaq would be a better shooter than Steph Curry under that view. 

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Just now, Fetou said:

So you think that the number is better with spikes and drops in it? That's a pretty indefensible position to defend your contrivances. I think that's rather obvious here. 

 

If I’m ok using it for ALL QBs, it’s not a contrivance. If someone is saying what he’s saying, it is.

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