26CornerBlitz Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/11/2018 at 3:01 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Several people I’ve spoken with speculated that the New York Giants and Buffalo Bills likely have a blueprint in place for a trade that would allow the Bills to move up to the second spot in the draft. They also believe that the trade won’t happen until very late in the process, if it happens at all, as the Giants want to field further offers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Speculation! So how did this seem to turn to an absolute? Grrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 Just now, gobills1212 said: Speculation! So how did this seem to turn to an absolute? Grrr He repeated today that's what he's still hearing. The word is the Giants will make the deal with Beane if they decide to move out of #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He repeated today that's what he's still hearing. The word is the Giants will make the deal with Beane if they decide to move out of #2. Gotcha, ya I heard the interview but still took it as speculation. I didnt know if there was another report that solidified it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 Just now, gobills1212 said: Gotcha, ya I heard the interview but still took it as speculation. I didnt know if there was another report that solidified it It's been a week since he 1st laid this out on his site and it seems as if the idea has not dissipated. Eight days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's been a week since he 1st laid this out on his site and it seems as if the idea has not dissipated. Eight days! April 28, 2016: Day 1 of the 2016 draft April 20, 2016 Eagles traded with Browns for the #2 pick: The Eagles get: The No. 2 pick in 2016 and a 2017 fourth-round pick. The Browns get: The No. 8 pick in 2016, the No. 77 pick (third round) in 2016, the No. 100 pick (fourth round) in 2016, a 2017 first-rounder and a 2018 second-rounder. April 25, 2018: day 1 of the 2018 draft April 18, 2018: today. Shouldn't something be happening? The more this goes on, the more I think the only way to get a top QB, is to somehow have the 3-way trade. My gut is telling me that the Browns go Darnold (guy I want) and the Giants go Barkley and won't change their mind. Jets get Mayfield. Browns get Chubb or Nelson. Broncos go Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/16/2018 at 9:13 AM, NewEraBills said: I like Baker Mayfield, but it's little things like this that make me think he wouldn't be Beane or McD's first, second or third choice. What he says here I'm sure some GM's find it telling. He said he talked to the NFL guys and they said he needs to calm it down a bit but he indicates that there are some things that it doesn't matter what someone says to him, he's not going to budge on his stance. Again, I like Baker a lot, but these are not words I see Beane and McD desire coming from a guy leading their culture. So they (Texas) passed on you, you hold a grudge. Leadership requires that you let it go and move on. I think it's not as serious as that, I think it's general understood that "hate" and "cant stand" in the context of a college athletic rivalry, is kind of a ritual. It doesn't mean he's going to go out looking for UT players to get in a fight with or something. OTOH, it edges towards the mental/psychological aspect of Mayfield that does concern me. A lot of people light their competitive fire with the match of what someone told them they couldn't do and fuel it with disparagement. It works well to motivate them, as long as they have enough success quickly enough that it's not so big as to overwhelm them. But if they don't have success, and there's loud enough widespread enough negativity, it can become overwhelming and then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) On 4/16/2018 at 9:58 AM, YoloinOhio said: Yes, he is from Austin but grew up a Sooner fan, his parents went there. and he hates the Longhorns. They are on his “list” (also, they didn’t recruit him so there’s that) A little surprising to me that some of these people who are getting upset over the things Rosen says, and calling him a cocky jerk, are not saying some of the same things about Mayfield. But anyway.... This guy really seems to take any perceived slight against him extremely personally. Hes going to get a TON more of those negative comments playing QB in the NFL than he did in college. I think it'll either drive him to be great or it will drive him nuts and get under his skin so much that it has a negative effect on him/his career. Not sure which. Edited April 18, 2018 by BillsFan4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 55 minutes ago, PIZ said: April 28, 2016: Day 1 of the 2016 draft April 20, 2016 Eagles traded with Browns for the #2 pick: The Eagles get: The No. 2 pick in 2016 and a 2017 fourth-round pick. The Browns get: The No. 8 pick in 2016, the No. 77 pick (third round) in 2016, the No. 100 pick (fourth round) in 2016, a 2017 first-rounder and a 2018 second-rounder. April 25, 2018: day 1 of the 2018 draft April 18, 2018: today. Shouldn't something be happening? The more this goes on, the more I think the only way to get a top QB, is to somehow have the 3-way trade. My gut is telling me that the Browns go Darnold (guy I want) and the Giants go Barkley and won't change their mind. Jets get Mayfield. Browns get Chubb or Nelson. Broncos go Rosen. Continuing conversations with teams in the top ten except for the NYJ I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DrDawkinstein Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, PIZ said: April 28, 2016: Day 1 of the 2016 draft April 20, 2016 Eagles traded with Browns for the #2 pick: The Eagles get: The No. 2 pick in 2016 and a 2017 fourth-round pick. The Browns get: The No. 8 pick in 2016, the No. 77 pick (third round) in 2016, the No. 100 pick (fourth round) in 2016, a 2017 first-rounder and a 2018 second-rounder. April 25, 2018: day 1 of the 2018 draft April 18, 2018: today. Shouldn't something be happening? The more this goes on, the more I think the only way to get a top QB, is to somehow have the 3-way trade. My gut is telling me that the Browns go Darnold (guy I want) and the Giants go Barkley and won't change their mind. Jets get Mayfield. Browns get Chubb or Nelson. Broncos go Rosen. This is different this year because the Giants dont really know who the Browns are taking #1 overall yet. In 2016, the Rams made it known they were taking Goff and the trade for #2 went down. If the Browns would just commit to a player, we could probably get this done. But since they have the #4 pick as well, it would be in their best interest to not let their plans be known. And even if they did, it would be in the Giants best interest to still wait and see for sure. We'll be waiting until Cleveland makes their pick, most likely. Edited April 18, 2018 by DrDawkinstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nickrage Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Cleveland takes Darnold Giants take Barkley Jets take Mayfield Cleveland takes Chubb Broncos take Rosen Or Cleveland takes Barkley Giants submit trade paperwork Cleveland takes Darnold Jets take Mayfield Giants take Chubb Broncos take Rosen Bills take Lb & rudolph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I like it. No 2019 picks. Still keep a 2nd and 3rd. Git'r'dun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: We don't have pick 64, Cleveland does. And I highly doubt 2 future picks will be involved, especially next year's 1 & 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: If that trade gets us DARNOLD, I love it! Make it happen Beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: We don't have pick 64, Cleveland does. And I highly doubt 2 future picks will be involved, especially next year's 1 & 2. 65 instead of 64. Happy now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Here are the Bills draft position in the 2018 NFL Draft: Round 1: 12 (from Cincinnati). Round 1: 22 (from Kansas City). Round 2: 53. Round 2: 56 (from Los Angeles Rams). Round 3: 65 (from Cleveland). Round 3: 96 (from Philadelphia). Round 4: 121 Round 5: 166 Round 6: 187 (from Cincinnati) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 65 instead of 64. Happy now? Not really, but my issue is with this Ryan character not you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Why would they give up 2019 picks when they are doubled up on picks in this draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Why would they give up 2019 picks when they are doubled up on picks in this draft? Maybe because they have a lot more cap space in '19 to acquire players and they want to use premium picks now. Who knows since it's not a real scenario with actual teams involved. Edited April 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Why would they give up 2019 picks when they are doubled up on picks in this draft? Probably due to the cap space they'll have next year where they can fill needs in FA. They'll have more money than Davy Crockett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 I simply don't think trading up to the top 4 this year is wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I simply don't think trading up to the top 4 this year is wise. If not now then when? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: If not now then when? Obviously in a year when we don’t have the extra picks to invest while still retaining enough to conduct a traditional draft. Duh. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, K-9 said: Obviously in a year when we don’t have the extra picks to invest while still retaining enough to conduct a traditional draft. Duh. You forgot about the rich QB draft next year.... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: If not now then when? In a year where there's only 1 or 2 good QBs, I think it makes sense. In a year where, for example, I think the gap between QB#1 and QB#5 is non-existent, it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 Just now, DCOrange said: In a year where there's only 1 or 2 good QBs, I think it makes sense. In a year where, for example, I think the gap between QB#1 and QB#5 is non-existent, it doesn't. If in fact that is what they believe. Based on what's out there, they believe a move up into the top five is worth it and I do as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, DCOrange said: In a year where there's only 1 or 2 good QBs, I think it makes sense. In a year where, for example, I think the gap between QB#1 and QB#5 is non-existent, it doesn't. but it doesn't matter what YOU think, it matters what our talent evaluators think... and in a year where there is only 1 or 2 good QBs, the cost to move up to take them will be sky high, in a year with many QBs (your words) the price comes down...simple supply and demand. And we have the capital NOW to do it without fore fitting an entire draft or future drafts...makes sooooo much sense to do it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: If in fact that is what they believe. Based on what's out there, they believe a move up into the top five is worth it and I do as well. Yeah, obviously I would hope that if they trade up into the top 4, it's because they disagree with the way draft pundits have graded the QBs this year and that they believe _____ is easily a better option than the #4 or 5 QB. Edit: As I said in my original comment, I don't personally believe a trade up that high is wise this year so obviously that's based on how I personally feel about the QBs. I'd much rather invest one or two picks in Lamar or Mayfield or Rosen than investing 4 or 5 of them in Darnold. I'm not saying that they should pass on QB this year and trade up in a future year instead. I'm saying that IMO, Lamar/Mayfield/Rosen are on par, if not better than Darnold, so why would I want to spend two or three times as much capital on Darnold? Edited April 19, 2018 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, DCOrange said: In a year where there's only 1 or 2 good QBs, I think it makes sense. In a year where, for example, I think the gap between QB#1 and QB#5 is non-existent, it doesn't. Rest assured that, contrary to the talking head pundits, the people that actually get paid by teams to make these evaluations can clearly delineate gaps among the QB prospects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: You forgot about the rich QB draft next year.... 19 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) Schaffer just said on NFL live that the Giants haven't had ANY meaningful discussions about trading the 2nd overall pick. Edited April 19, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, DCOrange said: In a year where there's only 1 or 2 good QBs, I think it makes sense. In a year where, for example, I think the gap between QB#1 and QB#5 is non-existent, it doesn't. When there is only 1 good QB you arent trading up for him. No one but the Colts had a shot at Luck. No one but the Panthers had a shot at Newton. The only way you can make that work is to be 2-14 the year before (so you are wishing for the Bills to lose from now on), or hope that the team at #1 overall is making a repeat appearance there and already has a QB. But that is not likely. If there are 2 QBs, you'll have to trade up to #2, and that is going to cost you just as much as it does now, but you'll be using all future picks and selling out your franchise instead of using the picks we acquired. Your scenario doesnt make sense. It's just wishful thinking that isnt based in reality. There has never been, and there will never be, a better time than right now. Edited April 19, 2018 by DrDawkinstein 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 25 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Schaffer just said on NFL live that the Giants haven't had ANY meaningful discussions about trading the 2nd overall pick. Huh ..... well damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Schaffer just said on NFL live that the Giants haven't had ANY meaningful discussions about trading the 2nd overall pick. Poker face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, K-9 said: Poker face. The Giants ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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