What a Tuel Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: !@#$ you gettleman give us our pick already That'll show em. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 9 hours ago, purple haze said: I pass it on to you from the hoods of urban America, my friend. Use it well. Wise as you are gracious . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 hours ago, PIZ said: This guy makes a good point on Allen. Regarding the pitchforks.....if the Bills draft Allen, would he get booed at his first sighting in front of Bills fans or would to the locals accept him? After suffering through Tyrod, it's going to be tough to put on my smiley face. Fully agree with this. Everyone's suddenly a professional scout at this time of year... lol. I wont lie. I am the most scared of Allen, too. Especially in a trade up. I want Rosen or Darnold. But it I am not going to act like I am some professional QB scout or talent evaluator, and pretend that I know more than the people who get paid to do this for a living - guys who spend decades in this field. Guys who watch every single throw these QBs have ever made, who dig deeper into these prospects backgrounds than we can even imagine. And I am certainly not going to sharpen my pitchfork and/or write the kid off before he's ever even taken a snap for the Bills. Allen may have the most upside of any QB in this draft, and there's definitely good reason why he's being discussed among the top QBs. Im still hoping for Darnold or Rosen but I will definitely find reasons to get excited if Allen is the pick. ultimately, I will support whoever the Bills draft and give him every chance to prove he's our guy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 2. Buffalo Bills (via the GIANTS) - QB Sam Darnold, USC They are absolutely desperate to get up in the draft and get a quarterback, which probably means they'll have to get to No. 5 at least. I've heard they like Oklahoma's Baker Mayfield, but that opinion is usually based on the presumption that they can't get up high enough to draft Darnold. If they get to 2, it's hard to imagine they'd pass on him if he's still there. He's not rated higher than Mayfield by everyone, but it certainly seems by most. The more interesting choice here would be if Darnold went 1. Would the Bills take Allen over Mayfield? I'm not so sure they would. Previous Mini-Mock Picks: UCLA QB Josh Rosen (to Giants 1.0), USC QB Sam Darnold (to Giants 2.0, 3.0). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Well they better get moving on the trade up to 5 or 6, can't see this happening when the draft starts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 2. Buffalo Bills (via the GIANTS) - QB Sam Darnold, USC They are absolutely desperate to get up in the draft and get a quarterback, which probably means they'll have to get to No. 5 at least. I've heard they like Oklahoma's Baker Mayfield, but that opinion is usually based on the presumption that they can't get up high enough to draft Darnold. If they get to 2, it's hard to imagine they'd pass on him if he's still there. He's not rated higher than Mayfield by everyone, but it certainly seems by most. The more interesting choice here would be if Darnold went 1. Would the Bills take Allen over Mayfield? I'm not so sure they would. Previous Mini-Mock Picks: UCLA QB Josh Rosen (to Giants 1.0), USC QB Sam Darnold (to Giants 2.0, 3.0). Whoah. I hope this guy is right. From what I know of him, Ralph Vacchiano has some insider knowledge, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, PIZ said: Whoah. I hope this guy is right. From what I know of him, Ralph Vacchiano has some insider knowledge, right? He covers the Jets and Giants FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 If there's anything in the ball park of realistic you have to get the wheels turning on this. Hopefully it's already close to the finish line if things are leaking but it's silly season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He covers the Jets and Giants FWIW. Started to get excited again. I think this is the guy that last week said there is no way the Giants are trading out of #2. Now he has them trading with the Bills. Could be something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I would be very surprised if any trades occur before Thursday 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I would be very surprised if any trades occur before Thursday As long as we trade up on Thursday, it is fine with me. I'm not crazy yet from all the draft stuff, so I think I can make it a few more days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, PIZ said: As long as we trade up on Thursday, it is fine with me. I'm not crazy yet from all the draft stuff, so I think I can make it a few more days. OTOH, do crazy people really know that they are crazy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: OTOH, do crazy people really know that they are crazy? Ha. I always wondered that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, PIZ said: Ha. I always wondered that. Of course, as Dostoevsky pointed out, sometimes it is the eccentric individual who speaks truth to a mad society, something along the lines of Yeats' Crazy Jane poems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4life1924 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 41 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I would be very surprised if any trades occur before Thursday I would actually be surprised, it there isn't a trade made before thursday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bills4life1924 said: I would actually be surprised, it there isn't a trade made before thursday At this point, I think there are a number of “If-then” scenarios set up between teams but trades won’t be executed until names start coming off the board and they know who will be available and when. Edited April 23, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: At this point, I think there are a number of “If-then” scenarios set up between teams but trades won’t be executed until names start coming off the board and they know who will be available and when. Tricky if you have a two-stage strategy like securing 5 or 6 in order to get 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: At this point, I think there are a number of “If-then” scenarios set up between teams but trades won’t be executed until names start coming off the board and they know who will be available and when. This is killing me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4life1924 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: At this point, I think there are a number of “If-then” scenarios set up between teams but trades won’t be executed until names start coming off the board and they know who will be available and when. Valid point, but I feel teams draft boards are set. And even tho no one knows who teams will select, every GM knows many other teams are interested in trading up, and I would be shocked if one GM doesn't position his team above the others with a trade before they get shut out of a deal bc he waited too long. But yes I do agree with you, whoever trades, they need to feel comfortable with a few prospects to pull the trigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Tricky if you have a two-stage strategy like securing 5 or 6 in order to get 2. It is tougher than a one way trade but can still be something that is put together ahead of time by the 3 teams, and the trigger pulled (or not) by all three as soon as #1 is off the board. Beane isn’t telling either team who he is taking ahead of time, so his guys are the ones that call each team and say it’s a go once #1 is off the board. If his guy is gone, he might then have a plan to trade to 4...then 5... then 6 depending on who is there and when 3 minutes ago, Bills4life1924 said: Valid point, but I feel teams draft boards are set. And even tho no one knows who teams will select, every GM knows many other teams are interested in trading up, and I would be shocked if one GM doesn't position his team above the others with a trade before they get shut out of a deal bc he waited too long. But yes I do agree with you, whoever trades, they need to feel comfortable with a few prospects to pull the trigger I think most teams want to trade down. Bills are the only team I think everyone knows wants to trade up. 6 minutes ago, Bills4life1924 said: Valid point, but I feel teams draft boards are set. And even tho no one knows who teams will select, every GM knows many other teams are interested in trading up, and I would be shocked if one GM doesn't position his team above the others with a trade before they get shut out of a deal bc he waited too long. But yes I do agree with you, whoever trades, they need to feel comfortable with a few prospects to pull the trigger Draft boards being set doesn’t really have a lot to do with whether the teams are going to make trades. The teams already know who is willing to trade and who isn’t. These conversations have been taking place for months. The boards just tell the teams who they would take and when. If the Colts dont trade they know who they are taking at 6... if they trade down they know who they are taking at 12...they’ve gone through all the scenarios. It could even be the same player but they won’t know who is there until Thursday. Most teams will just stick to their board. Edited April 23, 2018 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Don't want Darnold so I don't approve of going up to 2. I'd be happy staying at 6 if that is the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 41 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Of course, as Dostoevsky pointed out, sometimes it is the eccentric individual who speaks truth to a mad society, something along the lines of Yeats' Crazy Jane poems. Did you just go all Dostoevsky? Cool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, horned dogs said: Did you just go all Dostoevsky? Cool I wrote a dissertation on Dostoevsky. He's my guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I wrote a dissertation on Dostoevsky. He's my guy. Wish he had some insight on what Beane will do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, horned dogs said: Wish he had some insight on what Beane will do! Guess we'll have a better sense a few years down the road. Right now it's hard to get a read on the fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) The fact that there have been no leaks and we have no idea what the Bills want to do is the best, even if we have to be patient. The only leak that Allbright has been parroting was purposely/forcefully given to him by the Bills by his own admission so I will not take it as real info. Edited April 23, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4life1924 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Draft boards being set doesn’t really have a lot to do with whether the teams are going to make trades. The teams already know who is willing to trade and who isn’t. These conversations have been taking place for months. The boards just tell the teams who they would take and when. If the Colts dont trade they know who they are taking at 6... if they trade down they know who they are taking at 12...they’ve gone through all the scenarios. It could even be the same player but they won’t know who is there until Thursday. Most teams will just stick to their board. I agree with you about seeing how the draft plays out and go from there, but the board being set has a lot to do with trades. You create a draft board for value of the prospects. If a teams value of players drop off after their 10th rated player, their not trading down past 10 (most likely). Until you have a final board no team knows how far they will want to trade down. That's why trades are not usually made until boards are pretty much set. Yes they have preliminary talks bout trades months in advanced, but nothing usually gets done early on because no values are set on the prospects.(Colts had a deal they couldn't refuse with the jets, to only move down 3 spots). Having ur final board set has a lot to do with trading picks before/during the draft. A team could feel good moving down 10 spots bc they have a big clump of players rated equal, so they would make a trade knowing they will get someone they like and pickup draft pick assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MClem06 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I heard this from a friend who heard it from his sister who sleeps with the brother of a source that shall go nameless in the front office: The Bills are waiting to see who Cleveland picks before they spend a ton of draft capital to get to two. So beat that... COME ON DRAFT end our fruitless worrying already! My hope is that we call the Giants if and only if Cleveland does not take Darnold. I hope cleveland does this: 1)Barkley (arguably the best talent in this draft) 4)Whatever QB they have on rated highly at the pick. If we can get to 5 or 7 and still have a shot at Rosen and not spend our 22 on trading up we still get to have 2 picks in round 1. (bundle 2 2nd rounders to get to 5 along with 12 or a 12 with a 2 and 3 to get to 7). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I seen a lot of people saying Rudolph to the Bills at 23 and you guys take a LB at 12 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: I seen a lot of people saying Rudolph to the Bills at 23 and you guys take a LB at 12 who says that? the boston media? they would be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, kdiggz said: who says that? the boston media? they would be wrong I have seen it in a few mock drafts. Which are herendously inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4life1924 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: I seen a lot of people saying Rudolph to the Bills at 23 and you guys take a LB at 12 Rudolph to the bills at 23?? Are u really a Pats fan?? If u were, u would know the Pats have pick #23!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: I seen a lot of people saying Rudolph to the Bills at 23 and you guys take a LB at 12 We're picking at 22, so it's already inaccurate. Maybe Edmunds falls to 12. No way Smith makes it (my preferred lb). Still think we end up trading up for qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Bills4life1924 said: Rudolph to the bills at 23?? Are u really a Pats fan?? If u were, u would know the Pats have pick #23!! EXPOSED 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, MClem06 said: I heard this from a friend who heard it from his sister who sleeps with the brother of a source that shall go nameless in the front office: The Bills are waiting to see who Cleveland picks before they spend a ton of draft capital to get to two. So beat that... COME ON DRAFT end our fruitless worrying already! My hope is that we call the Giants if and only if Cleveland does not take Darnold. I hope cleveland does this: 1)Barkley (arguably the best talent in this draft) 4)Whatever QB they have on rated highly at the pick. If we can get to 5 or 7 and still have a shot at Rosen and not spend our 22 on trading up we still get to have 2 picks in round 1. (bundle 2 2nd rounders to get to 5 along with 12 or a 12 with a 2 and 3 to get to 7). I would be praying that the Browns take Darnold. If Darnold is available when the Giants pick, I don't see them trading their number 2 overall pick. I think Darnold's their guy. Edited April 23, 2018 by QuoteTheRaven83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bills4life1924 said: Rudolph to the bills at 23?? Are u really a Pats fan?? If u were, u would know the Pats have pick #23!! Lmao I meant 22 I don’t want Rudolph I want Lauletta. In the 2nd round I want D help for both first round picks or the top TE out of the draft if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Bills4life1924 said: I agree with you about seeing how the draft plays out and go from there, but the board being set has a lot to do with trades. You create a draft board for value of the prospects. If a teams value of players drop off after their 10th rated player, their not trading down past 10 (most likely). Until you have a final board no team knows how far they will want to trade down. That's why trades are not usually made until boards are pretty much set. Yes they have preliminary talks bout trades months in advanced, but nothing usually gets done early on because no values are set on the prospects.(Colts had a deal they couldn't refuse with the jets, to only move down 3 spots). Having ur final board set has a lot to do with trading picks before/during the draft. A team could feel good moving down 10 spots bc they have a big clump of players rated equal, so they would make a trade knowing they will get someone they like and pickup draft pick assets. I actually think their boards have been set for awhile. One former scout said the draft could take place early March, teams have the board set. The only slight movement that takes place is among position groups. Guys may move up or down with their own group. Teams saying they are setting the board are really saying they setting it according to scenarios, not according to their rankings. Edited April 23, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4life1924 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I actually think their boards have been set for awhile. Not much significant movement since the combine. One former scout said the draft could take place early March, teams have the board set. Teams saying they are setting the board are really saying they setting it according to scenarios, not according to their rankings. I'm sure there is truth to that, they have scouts watching these guys for years in college. It's the visits and meetings that could tinker the board a little bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Lmao I meant 22 I don’t want Rudolph I want Lauletta. In the 2nd round I want D help for both first round picks or the top TE out of the draft if possible. I'm obviously no expert, but I have you guys going tackle at 23, te at 31, and taking lauletta with pick 95 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I'm obviously no expert, but I have you guys going tackle at 23, te at 31, and taking lauletta with pick 95 Could definitely see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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