3-16: Brandon Beane Presser at 10 AM ET - Big Free Agent Spending Is Done

[BuffaloRebound]

I'd be shocked if we don't go up and get a QB, but worst case at #12, one of Roquan Smith or Tremaine Edwards are there.  

[Solomon Grundy]

5 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Which one? I haven't paid too much attention to mocks.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-bills-trade-into-top-five-for-qb-barkley-almost-falls-out-of-top-10/

[Mat68]

Still I dont chane my opinion Buffalo tries to sure up pick 2 or 3 at the owners meeting.  That was when the Rams locked up 1.

[Solomon Grundy]

3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

It is always top 5, top 10, top 15....

 

If he was saying 11, 13 or 14 (I left 12 out because that is our pick now) - then it would be a bit strange. I have been working in manufacturing a long time now, it's weird that every tolerance always ends in a 5 or a 0. That's just where most minds seem to go 0s and 5s

He was saying that he couldn't stay at 21 because "said player" wouldn't last past 15.

[ALF]

I think Beane is the best GM since Polian , Terry and Kim are getting much better.

[SoFFacet]

6 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Didn't Lamar Jackson say that the first team he met at combine was the Bills?? I wonder why Beane didn't mention him?

 

Because he's not on the Bills' board and they hate him. OR because he's #1 on the Bills' board and they don't want to give that impression. OR because he knows other teams are parsing his every word because they think he might speak 100% truthfully to the media for some reason even when he has no incentive to do so, and he knows that if he doesn't mention Jackson, another team will interpret that to mean he loves Jackson, and may therefore try to trade ahead of Buffalo to get him, but little do they know that this is all a ploy to get someone to waste a pick on Jackson, because they have no intention to draft him anyway!

 

So yeah, back to reality. Read nothing into his comments. 

Edited March 16, 2018 by SoFFacet

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, SoFFacet said:

 

Because he's not on the Bills' board and they hate him. OR because he's #1 on the Bills' board and they don't want to give that impression. OR because he knows other teams are parsing his every word because they think he might speak 100% truthfully to the media for some reason even when he has no incentive to do so, and he knows that if he doesn't mention Jackson, another team will interpret that to mean he loves Jackson, and may therefore try to trade ahead of Buffalo to get him, but little do they know that this is all a ploy to get someone to waste a pick on Jackson, because they have no intention to draft him anyway!

 

So yeah, back to reality. Read nothing into his comments. 

You're so right!!

 

https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2018/3/14/17118254/arizona-cardinals-looking-to-move-up-in-2018-nfl-draft-for-a-quarterback-per-report

 

posted 2 days ago

Edited March 16, 2018 by the skycap

[Putin]

41 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

trade up to #3 perhaps?

Nooooooo. 

# 2 perhaps ??

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I'd be shocked if we don't go up and get a QB, but worst case at #12, one of Roquan Smith or Tremaine Edwards are there.  

 

Nah. Worst case at #12, we get whatever QB from the top-4 is left. There are 4 top QB prospects in this draft. Assuming Cleveland, Denver, and NYJ are in, that's 3 in the first 6 picks. We had to get at least between NYJ and AZ to land the 4th if we are unable to move up any further.

 

If we get stuck staying at 12, we're still going QB.

[KDIGGZ]

Some of the highlights from the press conference for those that missed it...

 

"We will definitely move up and draft a QB and then we will win the Super Bowl"

"Baker Mayfield is too short and we don't like when he grabs his crotch"

"Lamar Jackson is a WR"

"We are going to sign all of the top free agents"

"Shady McCoy is on the trade block"

[BADOLBILZ]

12 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

Consider perspective. He knew he needed to get to 12 to get some players he wanted; it doesn't say he wants to go further.

GR commentator has it bang on.
This team puts a value on a player and won't outpay to move up. 

 

 

If they don't get a top QB prospect in this draft..........after passing on Watson and Mahomes..........things could turn very sour in the next 9 months..

 

You don't pass on a potential franchise QB over an extra second round pick.     They overpaid to get Lotuelelei they'd better do what it takes to get their QB.    

 

I think they are smart enough to understand that but we'll know soon enough.

[RyanC883]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Nah. Worst case at #12, we get whatever QB from the top-4 is left. There are 4 top QB prospects in this draft. Assuming Cleveland, Denver, and NYJ are in, that's 3 in the first 6 picks. We had to get at least between NYJ and AZ to land the 4th if we are unable to move up any further.

 

If we get stuck staying at 12, we're still going QB.

 

If it's Josh Allen, then PASS.  I'd take LB Smith or Edwards over him.  Then grab Mike White or Falk in the 2nd or 3rd.  

[AmishRifle]

Beane Presser Takeaways (please feel free to add more as I know I missed some)

--Wished Tyrod well and said he'll be rooting for him except when he's playing Buffalo

--Thanked all of his Scouts and Staff for their preparation on Free Agency

--Admitted that the salary cap will not support any further large Free Agent signings, you may see small depth signings.  "Nothing to make the ticker"

--Believes in building strong, attacking Defensive Line and protecting Offensive Line (Explaining the DT and DE signings).  Aligns with McDermott on this.

--Eric Wood remains in same status.  Has become a back burner issue with Free Agency and Draft prep.

--Emphatically stated that he hasn't completed his prep of potential draftees.  His sole focus now is draft preparation.  

--Skirted the trade up questions with the statement above on not being able to reach a decision yet as the draft preparation is not complete.

--Alluded to the notion that they could in fact stay at 12 and get a very good player.

--Talked openly of his philosophy of not chasing players, about setting value as in floor and ceiling, and not going outside of that value.

--Sees McCarron as having an opportunity to compete for starting position.  Called several coaches, including Marvin Lewis, before making his decision.

--Stated that they are using a very methodical approach to decision making.

--Stated that he's never comfortable with a roster (Answer to "are you comfortable with your wide receivers" question)

--Happy to get Richie Incognito restructured.  Coming off Pro Bowl year.  Important to do.  Not much detail on the restructure.

 

Again, feel free to add for those that couldn't listen.

 

[hondo in seattle]

8 minutes ago, ALF said:

I think Beane is the best GM since Polian , Terry and Kim are getting much better.

 

I really hope you're right!

 

But let's give him a chance to run his first draft before anointing him.  

[GG]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

If they don't get a top QB prospect in this draft..........after passing on Watson and Mahomes..........things could turn very sour in the next 9 months..

 

You don't pass on a potential franchise QB over an extra second round pick.     They overpaid to get Lotuelelei they'd better do what it takes to get their QB.    

 

I think they are smart enough to understand that but we'll know soon enough.

 

It would be a YUUUGGGE shock if they don't pick a QB high in this draft.

[RyanC883]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

If they don't get a top QB prospect in this draft..........after passing on Watson and Mahomes..........things could turn very sour in the next 9 months..

 

You don't pass on a potential franchise QB over an extra second round pick.     They overpaid to get Lotuelelei they'd better do what it takes to get their QB.    

 

I think they are smart enough to understand that but we'll know soon enough.

 

or they could overpay and end up with someone like David Carr, Leftwich, Collins, Harrington, etc.   While watching Smith or Edwards dominate for the next 10 years.  I think they have 2 QB's potentially they would "overpay" for (Rosen, Mayfield hopefully).  The rest they wont'.  

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

If it's Josh Allen, then PASS.  I'd take LB Smith or Edwards over him.  Then grab Mike White or Falk in the 2nd or 3rd.  

 

Tell Beane. But prepared to be disappointed.

 

Rothlisberger was the last of the top tier QBs in 2004, and when Texans backed out of our trade, instead of upping the offer we passed and grabbed Losman as a 2nd-tier guy.

 

Not saying Allen is Rothlisberger, but this franchise needs to get a QB for once and not get cute about it.

[Elite Poster]

Basically said nothing besides we are done in Free Agency. Not sure why they needed to hold a press conference to say that. However, I like Beane speaking about 400,000x more than McDermott. McDermott has a way of using 1000 words to say nothing - reminds me of my high school paper writing days!

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

or they could overpay and end up with someone like David Carr, Leftwich, Collins, Harrington, etc.   While watching Smith or Edwards dominate for the next 10 years.  I think they have 2 QB's potentially they would "overpay" for (Rosen, Mayfield hopefully).  The rest they wont'.  

 

What you described is "fear-based" decision making. It's "playing not to lose". Bills need to grow some balls for once and get their guy. Smith or Edwards could bust just as easily. QB is the most important position.

[BuffaloRush]

Beane did the same thing with Tyrod Taylor at the Senior Bowl.  He made it sound like there was a chance they could keep him on the team and then what happened?

 

same thing here - he made it sounds like he might be taking a non-QB at #12.  But we all know what will happen 

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Tell Beane. But prepared to be disappointed.

 

Rothlisberger was the last of the top tier QBs in 2004, and when Texans backed out of our trade, instead of upping the offer we passed and grabbed Losman as a 2nd-tier guy.

 

Not saying Allen is Rothlisberger, but this franchise needs to get a QB for once and not get cute about it.

 

Ben was a much better prospect than Allen.  But I will be very disappointed if we grab Allen because he has a "big arm."   This is like grabbing a WR just because he has a fast 40 time, IMO.  

[hondo in seattle]

4 minutes ago, AmishRifle said:

Beane Presser Takeaways (please feel free to add more as I know I missed some)

--Wished Tyrod well and said he'll be rooting for him except when he's playing Buffalo

--Thanked all of his Scouts and Staff for their preparation on Free Agency

--Admitted that the salary cap will not support any further large Free Agent signings, you may see small depth signings.  "Nothing to make the ticker"

--Believes in building strong, attacking Defensive Line and protecting Offensive Line (Explaining the DT and DE signings).  Aligns with McDermott on this.

--Eric Wood remains in same status.  Has become a back burner issue with Free Agency and Draft prep.

--Emphatically stated that he hasn't completed his prep of potential draftees.  His sole focus now is draft preparation.  

--Skirted the trade up questions with the statement above on not being able to reach a decision yet as the draft preparation is not complete.

--Alluded to the notion that they could in fact stay at 12 and get a very good player.

--Talked openly of his philosophy of not chasing players, about setting value as in floor and ceiling, and not going outside of that value.

--Sees McCarron as having an opportunity to compete for starting position.  Called several coaches, including Marvin Lewis, before making his decision.

--Stated that they are using a very methodical approach to decision making.

--Stated that he's never comfortable with a roster (Answer to "are you comfortable with your wide receivers" question)

--Happy to get Richie Incognito restructured.  Coming off Pro Bowl year.  Important to do.  Not much detail on the restructure.

 

Again, feel free to add for those that couldn't listen.

 

 

Thanks for this.  I didn't watch/listen but this seems like a great summary.

[Reed83HOF]

23 minutes ago, the skycap said:

He could've said any other number, why focus on 15??  The Dr. picked up on the same reference. Arizona has been mocked to a certain QB at 15. IJS

Just a number and 15 is approx middle of the draft btw

 

Mike Rodak‏Verified account @mikerodak 37m37 minutes ago

Brandon Beane said they are now in the range of Top 15 prospects, and “it’s not necessarily quarterback."

Joe Buscaglia‏Verified account @JoeBuscaglia 38m38 minutes ago

#Bills GM Brandon Beane: Everybody assumes that we're going to go higher [in the draft]... I don't know that yet.

Chris Brown‏Verified account @ChrisBrownBills 38m38 minutes ago

Beane on moving higher in draft: I don’t know if we’re moving higher, but I do know there will be guys on the board at 12 that we wouldn’t have gotten at 21. #Bills

Howard WGR‏Verified account @hsimon62 38m38 minutes ago

beane: everyone assumes we are going higher, i dont know that. there are players QB and others that werent falling to 21. now we are in range for those guys

 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Ben was a much better prospect than Allen.  But I will be very disappointed if we grab Allen because he has a "big arm."   This is like grabbing a WR just because he has a fast 40 time, IMO.  

 

Again, Im not comparing the players. Im comparing the behavior in getting the Top Prospects versus settling for 2nd tier. Say what you want about Allen, neither you nor I really know.

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

Just a number and 15 is approx middle of the draft btw

 

Mike Rodak‏Verified account @mikerodak 37m37 minutes ago

Brandon Beane said they are now in the range of Top 15 prospects, and “it’s not necessarily quarterback."

Joe Buscaglia‏Verified account @JoeBuscaglia 38m38 minutes ago

#Bills GM Brandon Beane: Everybody assumes that we're going to go higher [in the draft]... I don't know that yet.

Chris Brown‏Verified account @ChrisBrownBills 38m38 minutes ago

Beane on moving higher in draft: I don’t know if we’re moving higher, but I do know there will be guys on the board at 12 that we wouldn’t have gotten at 21. #Bills

Howard WGR‏Verified account @hsimon62 38m38 minutes ago

beane: everyone assumes we are going higher, i dont know that. there are players QB and others that werent falling to 21. now we are in range for those guys

 

 

The classic mid-march GM smokescreens...

[RyanC883]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

What you described is "fear-based" decision making. It's "playing not to lose". Bills need to grow some balls for once and get their guy. Smith or Edwards could bust just as easily. QB is the most important position.

 

Not fear-based at all.  Reality-based.  You can't sell the farm to get a QB with a lot of question marks.  Look at Washington, sold-out for RG3.  How'd that end up.  The guy they took in the 4th that year--Cousins-- is now the highest paid QB in the league. 

 

When teams get cute by "reaching", usually fails.  Takes more balls, IMO, to stick by your draft board and not overpay.  I'm not saying they shouldn't move up, but they shouldn't panic (e.x. "oh my gosh, Rosen and Mayfield are gone, lets go crazy after Darnold or Allen).  You trade a lot of draft picks away, you can't build a "team."  You build a "team" like the Eagles did, and you can win the SB with an average guy.  And Wentz was on a tear, but he had a great team around him.    Or you can have Cousins, and no team, because you sold-out like Washington.  

 

Only QB's that I think are worth "going after" are Rosen or Mayfield.  Mayfield could even be there at 12.  

[Solomon Grundy]

16 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

Some of the highlights from the press conference for those that missed it...

 

"We will definitely move up and draft a QB and then we will win the Super Bowl"

"Baker Mayfield is too short and we don't like when he grabs his crotch"

"Lamar Jackson is a WR"

"We are going to sign all of the top free agents"

"Shady McCoy is on the trade block"

This is some Trump administration BS!!

[RyanC883]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Again, Im not comparing the players. Im comparing the behavior in getting the Top Prospects versus settling for 2nd tier. Say what you want about Allen, neither you nor I really know.

 

The classic mid-march GM smokescreens...

 

I think we both agree in going after "top prospects," identifying those guys is difficult.  For me, they are Rosen and Mayfield. Darnold would be okay at 12.  Allen, no way.  I'd have White, Falk and Rudolph above him on my draft board, IMO.  

[GG]

11 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

or they could overpay and end up with someone like David Carr, Leftwich, Collins, Harrington, etc.   While watching Smith or Edwards dominate for the next 10 years.  I think they have 2 QB's potentially they would "overpay" for (Rosen, Mayfield hopefully).  The rest they wont'.  

 

Classic Battered Bills Derangement Syndrome.

 

Maybe there's another Troy Brown in this draft class to minimize any risk they may take in selecting a QB high

 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I think we both agree in going after "top prospects," identifying those guys is difficult.  For me, they are Rosen and Mayfield. Darnold would be okay at 12.  Allen, no way.  I'd have White, Falk and Rudolph above him on my draft board, IMO.  

 

Absolutely no offense meant here, but you and I dont know jack. Us Bills fans have had this offseason QB discussion so many times, and have been wrong almost every time, I stopped trying to be smarter than the pros years ago.

 

I'm gonna sit back and "trust the process", and trust McBeane. I'm just happy they are getting aggressive and serious about getting a top tier guy. Whoever that may be, they know better than us.

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Classic Battered Bills Derangement Syndrome.

 

Maybe there's another Troy Brown in this draft class to minimize any risk they may take in selecting a QB high

 

 

Not at all.  All I'm saying is stick to the board. Don't chase a QB you don't have highly ranked because you "need a QB."   They go after Rosen or Mayfield I'll be happy.  

 

 

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Absolutely no offense meant here, but you and I dont know jack. Us Bills fans have had this offseason QB discussion so many times, and have been wrong almost every time, I stopped trying to be smarter than the pros years ago.

 

I'm gonna sit back and "trust the process", and trust McBeane. I'm just happy they are getting aggressive and serious about getting a top tier guy. Whoever that may be, they know better than us.

 

No offense taken man!  That's what this board is here for, to discuss and debate.  Nothing else to do this time of year in terms of pre-draft process.  

 

I like McBean, whoever he gets I want to succeed.  I just don't want him to "panic" into taking someone.  And I don't get the idea that he is that type of GM.  

[BigBuff423]

It sounds to me that Beane and his staff did their diligence on AJ like they would on a Draft pick. In the event they don’t take a QB high, this would seem to indicate they really believe in AJ and such research would point to that fact, IMHO.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Classic Battered Bills Derangement Syndrome.

 

Maybe there's another Troy Brown in this draft class to minimize any risk they may take in selecting a QB high

 

 

For what it's worth, I gave @BADOLBILZ a ton for flack during and after the 2016 draft because he was saying he would rather take a chance on Paxton Lynch over drafting Shaq Lawson.

 

And as it's played out, even though Lynch hasnt become a starter, Lawson hasnt been that great either. In hindsight, taking a flyer on the most important position would probably have been a better choice there. Or at least equivalent.

 

Same deal here in 2018. The Bills biggest need is STILL QB. That should be the main focus until we get one.

[Tyrod's friend]

30 minutes ago, the skycap said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-bills-trade-into-top-five-for-qb-barkley-almost-falls-out-of-top-10/

If you read someone that starts with some absolutely ridiculous assumptions,  turn away. The minute you read 2nd: NYG - Q .... move on to read something else.

[astb41]

So no more large free agency deals...does that take ej Gaines off the table? Or Preston?

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Tyrod's friend said:

If you read someone that starts with some absolutely ridiculous assumptions,  turn away. The minute you read 2nd: NYG - Q .... move on to read something else.

 

As much as I dont think the Giants will go QB at #2, we've all seen enough drafts to know that anything can happen, and it's usually nothing like we expected or was mocked. I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if they did stay and grab a QB and throw a monkey wrench into everyone's plans.

[BigBuff423]

Here’s the other thing to consider, Buffalo is essentially done in FA, that means all these “holes” need to be filled via the Draft. That means they need all these picks....just food for thought.

[NewEraBills]

15 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Just a number and 15 is approx middle of the draft btw

 

Mike Rodak‏Verified account @mikerodak 37m37 minutes ago

Brandon Beane said they are now in the range of Top 15 prospects, and “it’s not necessarily quarterback."

Joe Buscaglia‏Verified account @JoeBuscaglia 38m38 minutes ago

#Bills GM Brandon Beane: Everybody assumes that we're going to go higher [in the draft]... I don't know that yet.

Chris Brown‏Verified account @ChrisBrownBills 38m38 minutes ago

Beane on moving higher in draft: I don’t know if we’re moving higher, but I do know there will be guys on the board at 12 that we wouldn’t have gotten at 21. #Bills

Howard WGR‏Verified account @hsimon62 38m38 minutes ago

beane: everyone assumes we are going higher, i dont know that. there are players QB and others that werent falling to 21. now we are in range for those guys

 

 

Beane is handling this like a pro.  Just like a week or so ago where he talked about liking picks and being comfortable at 21 and 22.  He's right though, he doesn't KNOW anything yet because we do not have a suitor.  Hopefully, we get one and can move further down in the draft.  Beane has made it so that he'll be right regardless of what happens LOL.

[Tyrod's friend]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

For what it's worth, I gave @BADOLBILZ a ton for flack during and after the 2016 draft because he was saying he would rather take a chance on Paxton Lynch over drafting Shaq Lawson.

 

And as it's played out, even though Lynch hasnt become a starter, Lawson hasnt been that great either. In hindsight, taking a flyer on the most important position would probably have been a better choice there. Or at least equivalent.

 

Same deal here in 2018. The Bills biggest need is STILL QB. That should be the main focus until we get one.

As it stands, right now, to win in 2018 and quite possibly beyond, the Bills biggest need is not QB. You had a bad, really bad offensive line that was covered by a mobile QB last year. You could at least make do with McCarron. 

You cannot make due with what amounts to essentially a back up G, RT, and C. You cannot. I agree with you - the franchise QB isn't on this roster. But QB is not the biggest need, not by a distance in 2018.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

If you read someone that starts with some absolutely ridiculous assumptions,  turn away. The minute you read 2nd: NYG - Q .... move on to read something else.

According to most posters favorite ex-GM, he's the 2nd best prospect in the draft. First being Saquan Barkley.

[hondo in seattle]

16 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Just a number and 15 is approx middle of the draft btw

 

Mike Rodak‏Verified account @mikerodak 37m37 minutes ago

Brandon Beane said they are now in the range of Top 15 prospects, and “it’s not necessarily quarterback."

Joe Buscaglia‏Verified account @JoeBuscaglia 38m38 minutes ago

#Bills GM Brandon Beane: Everybody assumes that we're going to go higher [in the draft]... I don't know that yet.

Chris Brown‏Verified account @ChrisBrownBills 38m38 minutes ago

Beane on moving higher in draft: I don’t know if we’re moving higher, but I do know there will be guys on the board at 12 that we wouldn’t have gotten at 21. #Bills

Howard WGR‏Verified account @hsimon62 38m38 minutes ago

beane: everyone assumes we are going higher, i dont know that. there are players QB and others that werent falling to 21. now we are in range for those guys

 

 

I wonder if the bolded statement might be true.  

 

I think some of us are expecting Beane to trade up higher before the draft.  

 

He might actually be waiting for draft day to see how the first picks go before deciding whether or not he needs to trade up to get his man.