Lurker Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 30 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...and the wild fact about Marino is that Alex Van Pelt broke every one of his passing records at Pitt......AVP?........seriously?..... Different eras, differnt opportunities for AVP to throw. Van Pelt averaged 32 throws per game, Marino 25. And yet Marino had 15 more TDs Marino: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/dan-marino-1.html Van Pelt: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/alex-van-pelt-1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) Josh Allen is EJ Manuel/Jake Locker. How is this not obvious to everyone? Edited March 3, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Mike White is looking very good out there. I’m impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 hour ago, McBean said: Can’t wait to watch Rudolph. He’s going to rise fast. I want him at 21 bad. There really doesn’t seem to be much (or any) buzz about Rudolph in round 1 anymore. It’s weird how perception changes after the season. They are even calling the others “the big 5 QBs” on the combine coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: There really doesn’t seem to be much (or any) buzz about Rudolph in round 1 anymore. It’s weird how perception changes after the season. They are even calling the others “the big 5 QBs” on the combine coverage. Not surprising. Rudolph is Bryce Petty with a weaker arm. Where did Pretty get picked? Round 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Josh Allen is EJ Manuel/Jake Locker. How is this not obvious to everyone? Because people never seem to learn. It amazes me how many people care about how far a guy can throw. Or how hard. Especially is shorts against no defense. Edited March 3, 2018 by Jay_Fixit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Jay_Fixit said: Because people never seem to learn. It amazes me how many people care about how far a guy can throw. Or how hard. Especially is shorts against no defense. It's a classic risk v. reward issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Jay_Fixit said: Because people never seem to learn. It amazes me how many people care about how far a guy can throw. Or how hard. Especially is shorts against no defense. Exactly. There is literally nothing to be gained by watching the QBs at the combine. You want to know about a QB - watch the game film. It'll tell you all you need to know. If a guy has terrible accuracy on film, he's going to have terrible accuracy in the NFL. End of story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Lurker said: Different eras, differnt opportunities for AVP to throw. Van Pelt averaged 32 throws per game, Marino 25. And yet Marino had 15 more TDs Marino: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/dan-marino-1.html Van Pelt: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/alex-van-pelt-1.html ...agree and NOT a knock on AVP......always enjoyed watching Marino as one of the more prolific passers in his time.....too many times around here when stats alone are manipulated to prove one's point or disprove another's......AVP broke Dan's Pitt records so he MUST be the better QB, right?...typical TBD argument.....why I hate stats as the primary focal point....thanks for sharing bud.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: There really doesn’t seem to be much (or any) buzz about Rudolph in round 1 anymore. It’s weird how perception changes after the season. They are even calling the others “the big 5 QBs” on the combine coverage. Not impressed. He's worried about his feet in this drop back drill and his arm mechanics are then all out of whack. Exactly what you would expect from a QB that has always played in shotgun. Chris Trepasso has Rudolph as his #1 QB. He's really going to hurt his reputation on that one 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Rosen clearly is the most natural passer. Every throw in stride. The late round infatuation guys like Lauletta and White are showing why they are not top prospects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Elite Poster said: Rosen clearly is the most natural passer. Every throw in stride. The late round infatuation guys like Lauletta and White are showing why they are not top prospects. Agreed. My guess when it all shakes out: Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen - top 10 picks (in no particular order) Jackson - 1st round Falk, Rudolph - 3rd round White, Lauletta, Ferguson - 4th-7th round Benkert, Briscoe, Lee - UDFAs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: Rosen clearly is the most natural passer. Every throw in stride. The late round infatuation guys like Lauletta and White are showing why they are not top prospects. ...so if McBeane went OL/DL or DL/OL depending on his preference and Rudolph is scooped up, would you be satisfied with the Lauletta, White or Falk types as his fall back position for QB choice?....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Not surprising. Rudolph is Bryce Petty with a weaker arm. Where did Pretty get picked? Round 4. 7 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Not impressed. He's worried about his feet in this drop back drill and his arm mechanics are then all out of whack. Exactly what you would expect from a QB that has always played in shotgun. Chris Trepasso has Rudolph as his #1 QB. He's really going to hurt his reputation on that one They’ve said that football people like Allen more than talking heads and talking heads like Rudolph more than football people. We will see soon but that may explain why he’s cooling as time has gone by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...so if McBeane went OL/DL or DL/OL depending on his preference and Rudolph is scooped up, would you be satisfied with the Lauletta, White or Falk types as his fall back position for QB choice?....... No. If we don't get one of the top 5 guys, don't bother drafting one of the long shots. Just a waste of a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Agreed. My guess when it all shakes out: Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen - top 10 picks (in no particular order) Jackson - 1st round Falk, Rudolph - 3rd round White, Lauletta, Ferguson - 4th-7th round Benkert, Briscoe, Lee - UDFAs I feel like, if the draft was today, this is pretty spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: They’ve said that football people like Allen more than talking heads and talking heads like Rudolph more than football people. We will see soon but that may explain why he’s cooling as time has gone by. Football people are wrong all the time. They constantly look for the diamond in the rough who they can polish into something great at the NFL level. It never works. Guys with Allen's skill set never succeed in the NFL. The fact that he's being talked about as the potential #1 overall pick is insane. He's the exact same prospect as EJ Manuel. Edited March 3, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: Football people are wrong all the time. They constantly look for the diamond in the rough who they can polish into something great at the NFL level. It never works. Oh, I’m not saying that they are right. I’m just saying that makes sense as to why Rudolph has cooled and Allen is still being pumped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Oh, I’m not saying that they are right. I’m just saying that makes sense as to why Rudolph has cooled and Allen is still being pumped up. Fair enough. Generally speaking it's the athletic traits that make a guy move up or down boards at this time of year. Scouts fall in love with work out warriors (Allen, EJ Manuel, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Jamarcus Russell) and ignore crappy game tape because their egos are so inflated they think they can turn a guy with no accuracy into the next Drew Brees with their special coaching sauce. On the flip side, guys with eye popping stats but mediocre tools (Rudolph), generally fade during the process. These guys don't get anyone excited, and the result is that their upside is low because they can't throw the ball 80 yards, therefore they'll never be anything more than a backup QB. Either way, guys in both camps never go on to become good NFL starting QBs. Edited March 3, 2018 by jrober38 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: They’ve said that football people like Allen more than talking heads and talking heads like Rudolph more than football people. We will see soon but that may explain why he’s cooling as time has gone by. One GM commented that Mayfield's football knowledge was off the charts, Rosen's Darnold's and Rudolph's were very good, but Allen and Jackson were a long way off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Rosen is the top of this class as a pure passer, based on the combine throws I've seen so far. The ball is always ahead of the WR, who doesn't have to break stride. Man, he looks good in shorts vs. these other guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 I know hes not the first to do it, but Darnold looks dumb not throwing when every single other QB is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Lurker said: Rosen is the top of this class as a pure passer, based on the combine throws I've seen so far. The ball is always ahead of the WR, who doesn't have to break stride. Man, he looks good in shorts vs. these other guys... That was expected though. All you need to do is read a scouting report to know that guys like Rosen and Mayfield are really good passers who have good arms with very good accuracy. On the flip side, some of these guys have no business being on the field. The NFL has no business inviting 21 QBs to the combine. Half these guys aren't getting drafted because they have no arm, terrible mechanics and poor accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: They’ve said that football people like Allen more than talking heads and talking heads like Rudolph more than football people. We will see soon but that may explain why he’s cooling as time has gone by. It's not even close for me. Watching Rudolph drop back and be all out of whack, he's not even close. Allen has played under center and looks comfortable with his footwork and the arm is bananas. At this point I wouldn't even have Rudolph in round 2 let alone 1. Allen is going top 5. He's the only one that really stands out in these drills. I expected more from Mayfield. He's been quiet out there. Looks like a totally different player than what I saw at the senior bowl. It seems like Rosen is taking this way too lightly. Looks like he's just going through the motions. But that might just be because his drop back is so flawless and effortless. And the athleticism people said he didn't have is showing up. In fact, one of the better athletes at QB not named Jackson or Allen it would seem. At first I was upset that Darnold wasn't going to throw but it might have been smart. Everyone else looks sub par compared to Allen imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, kdiggz said: It's not even close for me. Watching Rudolph drop back and be all out of whack, he's not even close. Allen has played under center and looks comfortable with his footwork and the arm is bananas. At this point I wouldn't even have Rudolph in round 2 let alone 1. Allen is going top 5. He's the only one that really stands out in these drills. I expected more from Mayfield. He's been quiet out there. Looks like a totally different player than what I saw at the senior bowl. It seems like Rosen is taking this way too lightly. Looks like he's just going through the motions. But that might just be because his drop back is so flawless and effortless. And the athleticism people said he didn't have is showing up. In fact, one of the better athletes at QB not named Jackson or Allen it would seem. At first I was upset that Darnold wasn't going to throw but it might have been smart. Everyone else looks sub par compared to Allen imo This is the underwear olympics. The whole thing is set up for guys like Allen (and EJ Manuel, and Jake Locker, and Blaine Gabbert) to look good. Physical specimens like them always generate the buzz at the combine. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean he (or any of the others) can actually play football well. Edited March 3, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Rosen is so overrated. How Mayfield falls below Rosen is beyond me. Mayfield is a day 1 starting pro bowl QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...so if McBeane went OL/DL or DL/OL depending on his preference and Rudolph is scooped up, would you be satisfied with the Lauletta, White or Falk types as his fall back position for QB choice?....... To be honest, no. I would rather take chances on other positions and try to get one of the best FA QBs. I believe in developing QBs and not 1 and done situations. If you are going to spend time on a prospect, take the position seriously. If they take the position seriously, they will go up and get a guy. Diamonds in the rough no longer exist. There are major flaws with guys even outside of the first in most drafts. Teams are getting better at evaluating QBs and guys like Russell Wilson don't drop. Just now, Ittakestime said: Rosen is so overrated. How Mayfield falls below Rosen is beyond me. Mayfield is a day 1 starting pro bowl QB. Can you elaborate on why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Love this time of year. Everybody media hack with a twitter account is a scout and can’t wait to tweet his next breathless hot take. My one hot take concerning the QBs we’ve seen today? These receivers can’t run simple cone routes to save their lives. Oh, and Rosen continues to show why he’s been atop the leader board since last fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Elite Poster said: Can you elaborate on why? You want me to elaborate on Rosen or Mayfield? Rosen looks like he just doesn't care out there today. Throws are off, struggling with placement, outside throws are not even in bounds, etc. The kid drops back and you can tell he could careless about going through these drills. Mayfield is dropping dimes while giving 100% effort. The dude is taking drop backs and is acting like it is a game situation. Rosen needs to humble himself. People get on Mayfield for being cocky, but Rosen has that quiet, know it all, arrogance that will kill him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Ittakestime said: You want me to elaborate on Rosen or Mayfield? Rosen looks like he just doesn't care out there today. Throws are off, struggling with placement, outside throws are not even in bounds, etc. The kid drops back and you can tell he could careless about going through these drills. Mayfield is dropping dimes while giving 100% effort. The dude is taking drop backs and is acting like it is a game situation. Rosen needs to humble himself. People get on Mayfield for being cocky, but Rosen has that quiet, know it all, arrogance that will kill him. I think you're seeing what you want to see. I'm not a huge Rosen fan, but his performance was pretty solid today. He and Mayfield were the only future NFL QBs in Group 2 by a pretty wide margin. Both guys looked good. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Ittakestime said: Rosen looks like he just doesn't care out there today. Throws are off, struggling with placement, outside throws are not even in bounds, etc. The kid drops back and you can tell he could careless about going through these drills. LOL. I must be watching some other combine... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I know hes not the first to do it, but Darnold looks dumb not throwing when every single other QB is I think it’s just the look on his face, myself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) Passing at combine Lamar Jackson I tell you one thing: hitting the gym won't help this bro', he already "been there done that" Edited March 3, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 minute ago, K-9 said: I think it’s just the look on his face, myself. Eli Manning sad eyes. Would have liked to see some fire from him even if he has to fake it. Mayfield had the fire at the senior bowl but I didn't see it today. Allen was the only one that stood out to me today. Jackson threw better than people thought he might be his feet need work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, K-9 said: Love this time of year. Everybody media hack with a twitter account is a scout and can’t wait to tweet his next breathless hot take. My one hot take concerning the QBs we’ve seen today? These receivers can’t run simple cone routes to save their lives. Oh, and Rosen continues to show why he’s been atop the leader board since last fall. Haha - Steve Smith and Mike Irvin were chastising the WRs on the cone routes too Edited March 3, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Eli Manning sad eyes. Would have liked to see some fire from him even if he has to fake it. Mayfield had the fire at the senior bowl but I didn't see it today. Allen was the only one that stood out to me today. Jackson threw better than people thought he might be his feet need work Bad footwork means bad throws. Again, pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 32 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...so if McBeane went OL/DL or DL/OL depending on his preference and Rudolph is scooped up, would you be satisfied with the Lauletta, White or Falk types as his fall back position for QB choice?....... Not unless we make a push to bring in a serious FA for at least 2 years, and be prepared to make a hard push to go higher in the draft in 2 years if they aren't developing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Bad footwork means bad throws. Again, pass Bad footwork according to whom? Ittakestime? Lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) Lamar didn't look great. Threw up some real ducks. This kid should not start immediately. Edited March 3, 2018 by ndirish1978 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 35 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: They’ve said that football people like Allen more than talking heads and talking heads like Rudolph more than football people. We will see soon but that may explain why he’s cooling as time has gone by. That's scary then because the talking heads are drooling like Pavlov's Dogs when Allen is mentioned. It's embarrassing. 1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said: Lamar didn't look great. Threw up some real ducks. No, he didn't, but keep in mind the knock on him is he hasn't worked under center (and he's looked mighty awkward when he does). That being the case, he looks as though he's really been working on his drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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