Active shooter at Florida high school

[LA Grant]

Just now, Azalin said:

 

Is the implication here that those who disagree with your stance are simply unwilling to question their beliefs?

 

Why should they question their beliefs? It's every 18-year-old's inalienable right to own an AR-15. I know this because it was George Washington's wet dream. Besides, how could the guns be at fault? They're poor innocent guns! They don't shoot themselves, do they?

 

All I'm saying is give guns a chance. In a teacher's hand.

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, LA Grant said:

 

As long as everyone has easy access to AR-15s so I don't have to question my beliefs at all, I say we're all for putting kevlar on your mom.

 

Sorry, it's the only way. For freedom.

 

Just please don't blame any guns. 

It's pretty clear that if a gun shoots someone it should be locked up, and in some cases get the death penalty. Fatherless guns are a different story. They've had it hard in life so maybe we should take the death penalty off the table for them.

[LA Grant]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

It's pretty clear that if a gun shoots someone it should be locked up, and in some cases get the death penalty. Fatherless guns are a different story. They've had it hard in life so maybe we should take the death penalty off the table for them.

 

Well, hold on here — why should a gun get locked up on a first offense? First time DUI offenders get leniency, and we don't take their cars away. I don't see why we should have to be so harsh on guns if they've only shot people ONCE.

[Azalin]

Just now, LA Grant said:

 

All I'm saying is give guns a chance. In a teacher's hand.

 

 

If you're going to parody John Lennon, I would remind you that he also taught us that happiness in a warm gun.

 

Bang bang, shoot shoot, mother$#@%er.

 

[3rdnlng]

7 minutes ago, LA Grant said:

 

Well, hold on here — why should a gun get locked up on a first offense? First time DUI offenders get leniency, and we don't take their cars away. I don't see why we should have to be so harsh on guns if they've only shot people ONCE.

First strike and you're out policy.

[B-Man]

THAT’S WHO THEY ARE, THAT’S WHAT THEY DO:

 

FL Shooting Survivor Ariana Klein: Networks Don’t Want Us To Give Our Real Opinions, “Want Us To Further Their Agendas.”

[TtownBillsFan]

39 minutes ago, LA Grant said:

 

Why should they question their beliefs? It's every 18-year-old's inalienable right to own an AR-15. I know this because it was George Washington's wet dream. Besides, how could the guns be at fault? They're poor innocent guns! They don't shoot themselves, do they?

 

All I'm saying is give guns a chance. In a teacher's hand.

The 2nd does protect their right to apply for a rifle, that part your'e correct about.  And I've not met a gun that did anything bad on its own.

 

You really make the point yourself:  people do things.  Bad people do bad things.  The tools they use are not at fault.  I think you see that from what you posted, but yet you still end up blaming the weapon used.  The easy joke is about a 'tool' being used.  The tool used seems, to me, to be secondary to the problem at hand.

41 minutes ago, LA Grant said:

 

Well, hold on here — why should a gun get locked up on a first offense? First time DUI offenders get leniency, and we don't take their cars away. I don't see why we should have to be so harsh on guns if they've only shot people ONCE.

This is clear evidence that you don't care to discuss the matter rationally.  Guns = bad in your world, I get it.  End of discussion.

[TtownBillsFan]

26 minutes ago, B-Man said:

THAT’S WHO THEY ARE, THAT’S WHAT THEY DO:

 

FL Shooting Survivor Ariana Klein: Networks Don’t Want Us To Give Our Real Opinions, “Want Us To Further Their Agendas.”

Are you surprised?  I'm not.  That's the sad state of journalism today.  And I'm sure this goes both ways, I'm sure Fox News was calling people too.  The difference is, the Fox people aren't trying to take your rights away.

[row_33]

My US niece and nephew schools have teachers weaponized with two levels of packing and drills on what to do if someone goes postal.

 

understood....

 

[IDBillzFan]

 

1 hour ago, TtownBillsFan said:

This is clear evidence that you don't care to discuss the matter rationally.  Guns = bad in your world, I get it.  End of discussion.

 

You're just now getting this.

 

Dude is unhinged and incoherent. I had  to take tiberius off of ignore just to balance out how unhinged he is.

[DC Tom]

3 hours ago, Azalin said:

 

Is the implication here that those who disagree with your stance are simply unwilling to question their beliefs?

 

Clearly the implication is that he is above and beyond self-reflection.

[Tiberius]

The times they are a chagin! 

 

Fla. governor backs raising age for gun purchases to 21 in first major break with NRA

Gov. Rick Scott announced the proposed gun restrictions nine days after a deadly mass school shooting in Parkland, Fla., as part of a broad package of legislative initiatives, including new school security measures and a program to deny guns from those deemed to pose a danger to the community.

[LA Grant]

3 hours ago, Azalin said:

 

If you're going to parody John Lennon, I would remind you that he also taught us that happiness in a warm gun.

 

Bang bang, shoot shoot, mother$#@%er.

 

 

Lennon was mocking gun culture in that song, you simple fool. Similarly with Bungalow Bill. AND HE WAS MURDERED WITH A GUN THAT WAS PURCHASED LEGALLY.

 

http://www.syracuse.com/celebrity-news/index.ssf/2015/12/john_lennon_mark_david_chapman_legal_gun_ny.html

 

You are so impossibly dumb.

 

29 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Clearly the implication is that he is above and beyond self-reflection.

 

Oooo THAT is a hoot. Y'all seem to enjoy sarcasm on this board, just not when it's against you.

 

1 hour ago, LABillzFan said:

You're just now getting this.

 

Dude is unhinged and incoherent. I had  to take tiberius off of ignore just to balance out how unhinged he is.

 

Attaboy. The only possible explanation is I must be craaaaazy. Burrow, then. Burrow back into your bubble. It's safe and warm there, in your happy place where guns are always good, and you are always right.

Edited February 23, 2018 by LA Grant

[Azalin]

2 minutes ago, LA Grant said:

 

Lennon was mocking gun culture in that song, you simple fool. Similarly with Bungalow Bill. AND HE WAS MURDERED WITH A GUN THAT WAS PURCHASED LEGALLY.

 

http://www.syracuse.com/celebrity-news/index.ssf/2015/12/john_lennon_mark_david_chapman_legal_gun_ny.html

 

You are so impossibly dumb.

 

 

 

Bang bang, shoot shoot, little fella.

[B-Man]

WHEN BROWARD COUNTY SHERIFF SCOTT ISRAEL WAS ACCUSED OF CORRUPTION, HE RESPONDED: ‘LIONS DON’T CARE ABOUT THE OPINIONS OF SHEEP.’

 

“Asked about the allegations, Israel responded, ‘What have I done differently than Don Shula or Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King, Ghandi?’…

 

Given the appalling failures that took place at Israel’s office, the ‘sheep’ might like to ask the ‘lion’ some questions.

 

Perhaps he could answer them in a less condescending and authoritarian fashion.”

 

 

.

[IDBillzFan]

1 minute ago, Azalin said:

 

Bang bang, shoot shoot, little fella.

 

Careful. You're going to trigger LA Grant with your microagressions, and he's going to have mods come in to give him a safe space. 

[Azalin]

Just now, LABillzFan said:

 

Careful. You're going to trigger LA Grant with your microagressions, and he's going to have mods come in to give him a safe space. 

 

Whatever you do, don't use the word "trigger".

[IDBillzFan]

1 minute ago, Azalin said:

 

Whatever you do, don't use the word "trigger".

 

Oh, crap! Now I've done it! 

[LA Grant]

12 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

Careful. You're going to trigger LA Grant with your microagressions, and he's going to have mods come in to give him a safe space. 

 

Aw that's adorable. Can you even see this reply if you have me on ignore, precious snowflake? I'll even give you a participation trophy to help you feel better. Burrow burrow into the bubble, baby boy.

[reddogblitz]

19 hours ago, Tiberius said:

On site security failed/ Isn't that the very solution you clowns are floating to solve this problem?

 

There was also an armed guard at Columbine.

 

There was also a good guy with a gun at the Gifford's shooting that didn't act out of fear of being shot by the police or some other good guy with a gun.

[row_33]

Not sure what John intended with Happiness is a Warm Gun, seems a drugged-out sex harangue, great throwaway tune

 

he did say Shoot Me many times in Come Togrther 

[Cugalabanza]

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

Not sure what John intended with Happiness is a Warm Gun, seems a drugged-out sex harangue, great throwaway tune

 

 

It's not a throwaway at all.  Clearly, it's about shooting up (heroin).

 

[TtownBillsFan]

Honest question, and I'm going to ask and then have to run, my apologies, I'll be back to respond.

 

Question:  Do violent video games play any part in the school shootings?  I really don't know the answer now-adays (kitschy language intended).

 

I know it didn't matter to me personally, and I don't think games had any negative influence on my generation, short of 20 extra pounds from inactivity.  But I grew up with Mario and Samus and Zelda.  I still play now, but as an 'adult'.  So, do the ultra-realistic, violent video games of today share any blame in teen/young-adult violence?  I don't think so, but what say ya'll?

[Koko78]

5 minutes ago, TtownBillsFan said:

Honest question, and I'm going to ask and then have to run, my apologies, I'll be back to respond.

 

Question:  Do violent video games play any part in the school shootings?  I really don't know the answer now-adays (kitschy language intended).

 

I know it didn't matter to me personally, and I don't think games had any negative influence on my generation, short of 20 extra pounds from inactivity.  But I grew up with Mario and Samus and Zelda.  I still play now, but as an 'adult'.  So, do the ultra-realistic, violent video games of today share any blame in teen/young-adult violence?  I don't think so, but what say ya'll?

 

No.

[Nanker]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html

 

Maybe, just maybe the School Board and the Cops - including the FBI are complicit in allowing this to happen. 

 

Go to the other thread, people. Good find Greggy! 

 

edit: had trouble pasting the direct linky thingy. 

It's in the Deep State thread folks.

Edited February 23, 2018 by Nanker

[row_33]

12 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said:

 

It's not a throwaway at all.  Clearly, it's about shooting up (heroin).

 

 

A throwaway is a song that won’t go to a single, the Beatles crafted almost 100 great throwaways

 

dude looking up women’s skirts with mirrors on his boots and other fun...

 

i will leave you to tell me what:

 

“a soap impression of his wife, which he ate, and donated to the National Trust” 

 

means, NT at the time a slang for toilet

 

Edited February 23, 2018 by row_33

[Cugalabanza]

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

 

i will leave you to tell me what:

 

 NT st the time a slang for toulet

 

 

I have no idea

[row_33]

1 minute ago, Cugalabanza said:

 

I have no idea

 

It can’t be anything but disgusting, a few critics have stated their views, I won’t bother retelling them....

 

rhe Mono version of Hapiness is much better, the stereo version cuts out the heavy bass and drums at the Mother Superior part, a travesty i tells ya

——-

 

The title had to be some offshoot of the Peanuts book Hapiness in a Warm Puppy, and an NRA ad John took the title from

 

both would have been appealing to Lennon

And his twisted sense of humour

And appalling 

[reddogblitz]

32 minutes ago, TtownBillsFan said:

Honest question, and I'm going to ask and then have to run, my apologies, I'll be back to respond.

 

Question:  Do violent video games play any part in the school shootings?  I really don't know the answer now-adays (kitschy language intended).

 

I know it didn't matter to me personally, and I don't think games had any negative influence on my generation, short of 20 extra pounds from inactivity.  But I grew up with Mario and Samus and Zelda.  I still play now, but as an 'adult'.  So, do the ultra-realistic, violent video games of today share any blame in teen/young-adult violence?  I don't think so, but what say ya'll?

 

There could be something here.  Obviously most kids that play video games don't do this.  However, the Columbine guys were heavy into it and even made a custom level of Doom to look like Columbine High School.

 

According to a statement made to government "investigators" of the Columbine massacre by then-CHS student David Proctor, who occasionally played Doom with Harris and Klebold via modem, Harris told him in 1999 that he'd created a level in Doom that was Columbine High School. Proctor added that another classmate had told him he'd heard the same.

 

http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

[Sig1Hunter]

2 hours ago, TtownBillsFan said:

Honest question, and I'm going to ask and then have to run, my apologies, I'll be back to respond.

 

Question:  Do violent video games play any part in the school shootings?  I really don't know the answer now-adays (kitschy language intended).

 

I know it didn't matter to me personally, and I don't think games had any negative influence on my generation, short of 20 extra pounds from inactivity.  But I grew up with Mario and Samus and Zelda.  I still play now, but as an 'adult'.  So, do the ultra-realistic, violent video games of today share any blame in teen/young-adult violence?  I don't think so, but what say ya'll?

Play any part? Certainly they do.  I suggest reading "On Killing" authored by Lt. Col. (Ret.) Dave Grossman.  The vast majority of well adjusted humans have built into our brains safeguards that shield us from the desire to kill another human. Most species have an innate avoidance of killing their own kind. The nation's military understands this,  and it has been documented over and over in wars of bygone eras. To combat this,  the military has become extremely effective at indoctrinating recruits and retraining their brains to widdle down this safeguard.  One of the most effective ways at retraining the brain is to view violent, realistic death... over and over and over.. with no negative consequence.  Violent video games, and to a lesser extent violent movies and tv,  do this to a "T". Players are actually rewarded with higher scores for killing other players, so not only is there no negative consequence for killing,  but there is positive reinforcement.  Video games have evolved so much in graphics and realism, that the human mind begins to be retrained. The line between what is real and what is fake begins to blur.  For an adult,  it isn't so much of a big deal.  But,  for a 12 year old boy that plays these games for 6 hours a day (or more), there is certainly an effect. 

 

https://www.killology.com/teaching-kids-to-kill

 

He touches on a lot of stuff in the link above,  but reading "On Killing" is highly recommended. 

 

BTW, I enjoy my first person shooter games as much as the next guy and play an hour or three a week. 

 

Edited February 24, 2018 by Sig1Hunter

[B-Man]

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Damn NRA ..............

 

 

 

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[Sig1Hunter]

7 hours ago, LA Grant said:

 

Well, hold on here — why should a gun get locked up on a first offense? First time DUI offenders get leniency, and we don't take their cars away. I don't see why we should have to be so harsh on guns if they've only shot people ONCE.

So,  you are saying we should ban cars? I mean,  they are the weapon that a criminal uses to kill and maim innocent people by the tens of thousands every year,  right? Think of the lives that will be saved. 

[DC Tom]

Just now, Sig1Hunter said:

So,  you are saying we should ban cars? I mean,  they are the weapon that a criminal uses to kill and maim innocent people by the tens of thousands every year,  right? Think of the lives that will be saved. 

 

Plus, there's a stronger correlation to car ownership and gun crime than their is gun ownership and gun crime.  

 

On the other hand, a bullet from an AR-15 is almost 30 times faster than a car!!!  [/MSNBC]

[bdutton]

3 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

There was also an armed guard at Columbine.

 

There was also a good guy with a gun at the Gifford's shooting that didn't act out of fear of being shot by the police or some other good guy with a gun.

Look up Joel Myrick.  A Teacher with a gun.

[LA Grant]

23 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

So,  you are saying we should ban cars? I mean,  they are the weapon that a criminal uses to kill and maim innocent people by the tens of thousands every year,  right? Think of the lives that will be saved. 

 

You're right! We should de-regulate traffic laws to match gun laws. Any 18 year old with a face who hasn't been to jail should be allowed on the road. And we shouldn't have police patrolling traffic until after there have been accidents. Just like guns, we should take as few preventative measures as possible.

 

The only thing that can stop a bad driver in a car is a good driver in a car. Right?

 

You moron.

Edited February 24, 2018 by LA Grant

[B-Man]

[#34fan]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Damn NRA ..............

 

It's not even about that anymore... It's about grownups at many levels letting these kids down... The 75k a year cop (With a gun) refusing to engage, The FBI (with tons of guns) refusing to even acknowledge a credible threat... These kids got royally SCREWED... No wonder why they don't trust grownups.

[KD in CA]

41 minutes ago, #34fan said:

 

It's not even about that anymore... It's about grownups at many levels letting these kids down... The 75k a year cop (With a gun) refusing to engage, The FBI (with tons of guns) refusing to even acknowledge a credible threat... These kids got royally SCREWED... No wonder why they don't trust grownups.

 

Those two things are beyond infuriating.  !@#$ing coward cop should be in prison.  Or shot.

 

As for the FBI, they couldn't even be bothered with the pre-9/11 warnings after a decade of escalating global terrorist events, so better temper expectations there.

[#34fan]

1 hour ago, KD in CA said:

 

Those two things are beyond infuriating.  !@#$ing coward cop should be in prison.  Or shot.

 

As for the FBI, they couldn't even be bothered with the pre-9/11 warnings after a decade of escalating global terrorist events, so better temper expectations there.

 

 It's at least dereliction of duty... The other perspective is that he's been a cop for 30 years... In frickin' Broward county!

 

I lived in that area for about 5 years.... During the mid eighties Broward County was DOPE CENTRAL in So. Fla.

 

BSO (Broward Sherriff's Office) were kicking in doors of crack-dens left and right... It was a  pretty remarkable, and very dangerous time.

 

He probably thought "I survived that just to die days from my retirement at the hand of some punk kid?"  -"NOPE!"

 

This was a "gravy" job for him... He was completely unattached to these kids.

 

 

 

[Sig1Hunter]

9 hours ago, LA Grant said:

 

You're right! We should de-regulate traffic laws to match gun laws. Any 18 year old with a face who hasn't been to jail should be allowed on the road. And we shouldn't have police patrolling traffic until after there have been accidents. Just like guns, we should take as few preventative measures as possible.

 

The only thing that can stop a bad driver in a car is a good driver in a car. Right?

 

You moron.

Do you even have a point,  or were you born obtuse?