njbuff Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 and let's say the Browns take Allen (I will almost guarantee you that Allen will wow everyone in the process)............. Would you want the Bills to trade up to 3 get either Rosen or Darnold? Even if the Bills get a good veteran QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, njbuff said: and let's say the Browns take Allen (I will almost guarantee you that Allen will wow everyone in the process)............. Would you want the Bills to trade up to 3 get either Rosen or Darnold? Even if the Bills get a good veteran QB? I guess it Depends on the price... but nothing that Allen does should sway any Scouts or GMs any further... you cant raise a QBs grade because of a good combine... that's how you draft Blaine Gabberts of the world Johnny Manziel had the best pro day ever... and did it in pads and helmet... didn't do nothing for him Allen should be great in shorts and a T shirt... let's the browns take him and pass on much better QBs like Rosen and Darnold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 You've got to be careful when selecting the next franchise QB. Let's get a solid vet and not overreach in the draft. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) I want the bills to trade up and get Darnold regardless. The only safe way to do that is to get to #1. I’m tired of settling for scraps here and hoping a draft goes a certain way. Go up and get the best guy for once. Not reach for some 4th round trash in round 1 like EJ. Actually get a good QB abd the best in a real class for once. Edited January 24, 2018 by Brianmoorman4jesus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I want the bills to trade up and get Darnold regardless. The only safe way to do that is to get to #1. I’m tired of settling for scraps here abd hoping a draft goes a certain way. Go up and get the best guy for once. Not reach for some 4th round trash in round 1 like EJ. Actually get a good QB abd the best in a real class for once. It really is debatable if Darnold will be a better QB than Rosen. Because as of today Rosen is the better QB hands down you are drafting Darnold for 3 years down the road You are hoping on Darnolds upside to kick in... because They both have good football IQs but Rosen has a better arm today 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 What do you guys think about getting Nick Foles from Philadelphia? Would you give up a 2nd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, PIP said: What do you guys think about getting Nick Foles from Philadelphia? Would you give up a 2nd? No! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Depends on the Veteran. If you get Alex Smith/McCown then I'd say trading up to get one of those two would be good as they would only serve as a stop gap for one year. But, let's say you get Case Keenum and we sign him to a 3 year deal with a possible out after 2 years then sitting and waiting to take guys like Jackson, Rudolph, and White(not that I would want them to sit and take White)but wouldn't be bad either as they would have time to sit and develop. 4 minutes ago, PIP said: What do you guys think about getting Nick Foles from Philadelphia? Would you give up a 2nd? 2nd is too much. Most think a 3rd or 4th could land Alex Smith. I'm not keen on Foles, but that's just me. He's not terrible but I just see a continuous cycle of trotting out other team's back-ups and portraying them as an NFL starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 If the Bills are fortunate enough to land a veteran like Alex Smith, I would say NO. The Bill's have enough other holes (O-line, D-Tackle, Pass Rusher, linebacker, wideout) that I want to spend my draft capital in those areas. There is alot of age on this team in some areas and if it's not addressed, it could be a steep fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 If we sign a guy like Cousins, he instantly becomes your long term guy so no trade up or drafting a guy is necessary. If you get a guy like Alex Smith, he's older and more of a bridge, so a trade up could make sense. If McBeane believes in any of those guys he will make the trade up. If we don't trade up, I think it is a clear indication they don't love any of those guys. In the end I think we trade for Smith and trade up for Rosen, Darnold, Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) you trade up you better be 100% sure this is the long term solution and get him ready. We can add some great players who will be instant starters with picks #21,22 and possibly our 2nd and 3rd rounders. 5 potential starters trumps a project QB any day, but losing 2-4 starters for a franchise qb is a little easier to take. Edited January 24, 2018 by BillsRdue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 14 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I want the bills to trade up and get Darnold regardless. The only safe way to do that is to get to #1. I’m tired of settling for scraps here and hoping a draft goes a certain way. Go up and get the best guy for once. Not reach for some 4th round trash in round 1 like EJ. Actually get a good QB abd the best in a real class for once. I get the sentiment. But I'd hate to pay a premium price for another disappointment. So many 1st round QBs fail to work out. What makes you so confident that Darnold is The Guy? I'd personally rather spend a lot of draft picks on a lot of players than package draft picks to move up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 15 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: You've got to be careful when selecting the next franchise QB. Let's get a solid vet and not overreach in the draft. I get this. but the browns didn't really do anything to reach, like trade or waste a super early pick, for johnny kegstand. its not the greatest example of a team overreaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 If Rosen had Darnold's heart and leadership I would trade way the entire draft to get him. He's too flakey though. And Darnold isn't a sure thing although he's pretty close. If Darnold falls to 3 and Indy isn't greedy I think it would be a tough call. You would have to be sure this is your franchise QB for the next 10 yrs. If you are wrong you lose your job and set the team back 3 years in the process. The safe bet is to get a solid veteran and take someone at 21 like Rudolph who might be good. If not no big deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 16 hours ago, njbuff said: and let's say the Browns take Allen (I will almost guarantee you that Allen will wow everyone in the process)............. Would you want the Bills to trade up to 3 get either Rosen or Darnold? Even if the Bills get a good veteran QB? It's hard to read between the lines but I didn't get the sense that Beane was eager to overpay to move up when interviewed the other day. And I have no clue what he thinks of Rosen and Darnold. Personally, I don't watch enough college football to be confident either is worth the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 16 hours ago, njbuff said: and let's say the Browns take Allen (I will almost guarantee you that Allen will wow everyone in the process)............. Would you want the Bills to trade up to 3 get either Rosen or Darnold? Even if the Bills get a good veteran QB? I don't want the Bills to spend a lot of money to get a veteran QB because I want them to trade up to 3 or 4 for Rosen or Darnold, but probably Darnold. My gut says that's what the Bills brass is planning right now and I suspect they'll keep Taylor on the roster til draft time to offer as part of a package to trade up to #4 with the Browns. The only vet QB we might acquire and still do this with is Alex Smith since his contract will expire in one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 In all likelihood, the Bills will sign a veteran well before the draft. The identity of the veteran will determine their draft strategy with respect to QBs. The more years they can anticipate the veteran starting, the lower in the draft they will be looking for a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I feel like you need another dot in the title. 1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said: I get the sentiment. But I'd hate to pay a premium price for another disappointment. So many 1st round QBs fail to work out. What makes you so confident that Darnold is The Guy? I'd personally rather spend a lot of draft picks on a lot of players than package draft picks to move up. I agree. It's best to let the pieces fall into place rather than force it. For instance, if we don't trade up for JP Losman in 2004, we'd have been able to take Aaron Rodgers with the 20th pick in 2005. We can add a vet and/or, frankly, restructure Taylor one last time (hate all you want but I bet Daboll will be able to embrace Tyrod's skill set much better than Rico) and flesh out the roster with the extra picks instead. That is the route I'd like to go, personally. But if we trade up and we hit on the guy, I wouldn't be mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: If Rosen had Darnold's heart and leadership I would trade way the entire draft to get him. He's too flakey though. And Darnold isn't a sure thing although he's pretty close. If Darnold falls to 3 and Indy isn't greedy I think it would be a tough call. You would have to be sure this is your franchise QB for the next 10 yrs. If you are wrong you lose your job and set the team back 3 years in the process. The safe bet is to get a solid veteran and take someone at 21 like Rudolph who might be good. If not no big deal I get that Darnold is a good prospect, but nobody seems to mention the 13 INTs he threw in 13 games and had 11 fumbles on top of that. That is A LOT of turnovers for someone whom is supposed to be a top prospect. Again, I am not saying that Darnold isn't one of the top QB prospects. I am just surprised that nobody mentions the turnovers. 16 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I don't want the Bills to spend a lot of money to get a veteran QB because I want them to trade up to 3 or 4 for Rosen or Darnold, but probably Darnold. My gut says that's what the Bills brass is planning right now and I suspect they'll keep Taylor on the roster til draft time to offer as part of a package to trade up to #4 with the Browns. The only vet QB we might acquire and still do this with is Alex Smith since his contract will expire in one year. I was with you right up to the point where you talked about trading Taylor to the Browns. Why would the Browns want Tyrod Taylor? They are going to draft their own QB and Taylor is not a long-term answer for any team as a starting QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 50 minutes ago, TigerJ said: In all likelihood, the Bills will sign a veteran well before the draft. The identity of the veteran will determine their draft strategy with respect to QBs. The more years they can anticipate the veteran starting, the lower in the draft they will be looking for a QB. this has been my guess as to how the bills will approach the qb position too. it all depends how FA plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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